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Sander Sassen Dec 28, 2007, 06:10am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I only turn my PC on during the day, and put it on standby when I'm not sitting behind it for a few hours, I know many people however leave it running 24/7. What do you do, and why?

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FordGT90Concept Dec 28, 2007, 11:10am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
All desktop PCs in my house, unless doing something overnight (e.g. defragging) are turned off before I go to bed. The only exception is the server which is running 24/7 and at 100% load almost all the time leading to about 400w of power consumption. The furnace effects the electric bill far more than all the computers combined.

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Beavis Khan Dec 28, 2007, 11:34am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
I leave mine on all the time, unless I'm going on vacation or will otherwise be out of the house for an extended period of time. There are a few reasons I guess:

1) I work at home
2) Standby/sleep mode has always been a little flakey on home built computers in my experience. I admit, I haven't revisited the issue in a couple years though, so perhaps this has gotten better of late.
3) I'm of the school of thought that repeated hard drive spinups/downs are more likely to lead to failure than constant (mostly idle) operation. Lately I've heard this is not really true anymore with advances in disk hardware. Still, old habits die hard.
4) My main PC takes a long damn time to boot up. Lame, I know, but until I get around to a clean install, that's the way it is, and I'm too lazy/impatient to put up with it on a regular basis.

But hey, I am running all 80 Plus PSUs now, and my two newest processors are 65W A64s, so that's gotta count for something, right? :)

Edit - rereading my post, I see that #2-4 are pretty much down to laziness. As in, I'd rather spend a couple extra bucks a month on my power bill than spend the time doing more research/fiddling to address the root of the problem.

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FordGT90Concept Dec 28, 2007, 11:36am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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4) My main PC takes a long damn time to boot up. Lame, I know, but until I get around to a clean install, that's the way it is, and I'm too lazy/impatient to put up with it on a regular basis.

I believe drivers are mostly to blame for that. It only takes one bad one to extend the boot up time 15 seconds or more.

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GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 28, 2007, 11:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
alright well me and my currently have 3 desktop pcs, 2 of them gaming rigs, and 2 laptops both being hp...

my moms computer is rarely on except to check the mail or load up on some itunes songs, whereas the gaming rigs would be on about 3 nights a week, depending on how often a friend comes over and lans... after this the 2nd rig is turned off, and mostly its the quad thats always on, except for night times, that is if im not downloadin somethin over night..
however, now that ive aqquired a laptop, it will probably be this one thatll be on the most, considering its very portable and easy to use with a really quick startup time :)
even though these computers turn on in shifts,i cant say that our electric bill has gotten more expensive, since otherwise the mother would be complaining! haha :P

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GS059 Dec 28, 2007, 12:33pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I do not have any desktops anymore, but when I did I always left them on unless I was updating something on them. but that was back when we used <300 psu's...
now we only have laptops, but we leave them on all the time because we like to just pick it up and start using them rather than wait the minute that it takes to turn it on, and I like to keep it on for .torrents...

adam Dec 28, 2007, 12:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Mine are all on only when used. I have strict rules in my house that my wife and kids are asked to follow. DO NOT WASTE POWER. Or pay my bill lol.

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Bob Morgan Dec 28, 2007, 01:13pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
As we speak, I'm running a 5 1/2 year old Pentium 4 machine (2.0 GHz) with 1.5 GB RAM and three hard drives. "Environmentally friendly" wasn't a concept when Gateway made the machine back then. So I used to hibernate a lot. About a year ago it started taking 2+ minutes to go into hibernation. I searched high and low for a fix, and came up empty. So I rarely hibernate any more. Only fix seems to be to reinstall XP. Bummer.

I have some folks building me a new machine: Intel Quad; pair of 10K rpm 150GB drives for system & programs (RAID 1); pair of 500GB 7.2K rpm drives for data; 80 Plus power supply; fresh copy of XP/Pro. A big heavy case (37lb) that has big fans and is quiet. And it will hibernate. I'll rebuild the old machine and give it to a nice old lady that has no PC.

Life is good ...

.... trying to be greener ....

ian elliott Dec 28, 2007, 02:04pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
I turn my computers off at night unless I'm downloading.

CrAsHnBuRnXp Dec 28, 2007, 02:32pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
I used to run it 24/7 before I upgraded to my quad core. Now that I have an 850watt PSU, it makes the electric bill spike compared to what it used to be. Now, I have it running only during the day when I am home. If I am at work or sleeping, its shut off.

I have said for a while now that they need to make computers more environmentally friendly so they dont suck so much power.

dark41 Dec 28, 2007, 03:33pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
We've got 6 computers (counting our server) currently left on 24/7. All of them are overclocked, run Folding @ Home, and are rebooted every week or so except for the server which gets rebooted about once per month.

When the systems aren't being used, the monitors are turned off (we don't use screen savers nor any energy saving features of Windows).

My system has what would probably be considered a mid-range video card anymore (7900GTX Extreme), the rest all have low level video cards.

Can't say I've seen our electric bill effected much since we switched from the Pentium D's. Our bill is actually cheaper now than it was a few years ago when we ran Pentium 4s and no Folding @ Home, when the price per kilowat is figured in.

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Gerritt Dec 30, 2007, 07:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
In my LAB/Production environment at home I'm running a multitude of L2/L3/ and services HW.
IF it was pure production, I'd probably have a carbon footprint of less than 50% of what I have now.
As it is, I have to work with high/middle consumption routers, switches and firewalls.
There are times when I don't need to have all of the systems on 24/7, but I've found that most power saving features are not cross-platform, or cross-network compatible, so have to configure for less than optimal savings features.
Systems that are configured for Wake on LAN, don't always Wake up.
Systems that are configured for Hibernation, don't always Wake up.
Systems that are configured for "sleep mode", almost never wake up proberly.

It would be nice if the OS Power freatures worked as advertised.....I'd be a better "green" citizen.

Gerritt

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Rooin Dec 31, 2007, 11:25am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
My two PCs I use daily are shutdown nightly, unless downloading or something requiring it to be left on. (and the rare occasion I fall asleep without shutting down)

My wife turns off her laptop whenever shes away from it for any extended period of time.

I have a NAS web server that runs 24/7, but has a idle time of 10 mins. (hosts a low traffic site)

I try not to work my electric bill -too- much. :/

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Beavis Khan Jan 28, 2008, 07:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Since I'm killing the planet with my continuous electricity use, I figured I'd do something (potentially) useful while I was at it:

http://www.climateprediction.net

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Gerritt Jan 30, 2008, 05:43pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Big Beavis said:
Since I'm killing the planet with my continuous electricity use, I figured I'd do something (potentially) useful while I was at it:

http://www.climateprediction.net


We don't need a computer model for the climate. The outlook is grim, and has been since the mid 1970s! What we need is a computer model for what it will take for people to start using some of the energy saving and environmentally friendly technologies and resources that are now and have been available for decades!

I've recently been looking into solar technologies that would take me totally off of the electricity grid. For the Low, Low cost of about $200,000 and about $2000 a year I could acomplish this now.

I'm personally investing my unused computer cycles towards SETI@HOME. Everyone knows that outside consultants are listened to, even if they are saying the same stuff that the in house staff are, so maybe ET will sign on and provide a better presentation than the in house folks are......"You need to clean up your planet or it will be devalued to the point that it will be destroyed for the purposes of constructing an intergalactic bypass....imminent domain and all that, you know."

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dark41 Jan 31, 2008, 02:18am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
I devote my unused cycles to Folding@Home so I can keep people alive longer to ruin the planet and deny the existence of other life in the universe.

Of all the human traits, vanity has got to be the most destructive. :)

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Beavis Khan Feb 01, 2008, 09:12am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Gerritt said:
What we need is a computer model for what it will take for people to start using some of the energy saving and environmentally friendly technologies and resources that are now and have been available for decades!


Bah, I prefer to stick to more realistic goals, like predicting the Earth's climate, or finding aliens - only commies and libs care about saving energy :P

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Dublin_Gunner Feb 01, 2008, 09:52am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Gerritt said:
Big Beavis said:
Since I'm killing the planet with my continuous electricity use, I figured I'd do something (potentially) useful while I was at it:

http://www.climateprediction.net


We don't need a computer model for the climate. The outlook is grim, and has been since the mid 1970s! What we need is a computer model for what it will take for people to start using some of the energy saving and environmentally friendly technologies and resources that are now and have been available for decades!






What I'd like to know is, how much power the SuperComputers modelling the climate are using?? Bit of a paradox eh?? lol

My machine is always turned off at night, and usually only turned on when I get in from work in the evening (6pm ish). The very rare occasion I need to download something big, I'll turn it on before I go to work and have it download during the daytime.

I even use EIST to clock CPU down when its not loaded, and my screen turns off after 5 mins idle.


Crash - the bigger PSU doesnt mean you're using more power. Just because it can provide that much, doesnt mean it IS providing that much. However, provision of different loads can lead to less efficiency from the PSU.

You newer specs are whats eating more power, not the PSU!


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Gerritt Feb 01, 2008, 04:26pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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DublinGunner,
You may have a point there. It's the GPUs not the CPUs or PSUs that are hogging power!
Given that my systems are on 24/7/365, I do shut down the screen, and GPU after 20 Minutes of non-use.
What ticks me off, is when I'm watching a streaming video that's an hour long, my system trys to go to energy saver mode/shutdown of my monitors in the middle of the streamed video.
This is a malfunction of the supposed power savings, and why many end users will not turn it on.
Additionally, I've attemped to use KVM switches to manage some of my servers, but the systems fail to recover from a GPU/Video shutdown, especially with the latest offerings from NVidia and ATI when piped through a KVM, so I have to leave the GPUs active just to save a few watts and desk space of the monitors that I have running.

BAH! It's a good IDEA, but until they work out the sync signal issues, few will actually be able to utilize the total functionallity of a standard that was initiated 12 years ago.

Gerritt

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FordGT90Concept Feb 01, 2008, 07:45pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
I noticed my server (Tyan Tempest 5000XT and NVIDIA 8500GT) will not show any video signal unless rebooted if my KVM does not have it selected during the first few seconds after powering on. I asked Tyan tech support about it and he didn't have a clue. Every other computer doesn't have a problem with it coming online when it is not selected. I think server video management is simply rubbish (an after thought at best). There should definitely be like a subprocessor on motherboards dedicated to power management which in turn would allow the system processors to be shutdown if demand drops and reenable them as demand increases.

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dark41 Feb 02, 2008, 10:40am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Re: Environmentally friendly PCs, a new trend for 2008?
Some interesting results for anyone interested: We just bought a Mains Power Meter (MS6115) from Jaycar in Australia. You plug your device into it, and plug it into the mains and it tells you how many watts your device is using. Pretty cool actually. A lamp w/ 60w bulb uses (of course) 60 watts. We plugged it into our mini puter (E6750@3.6GHz, 2 gigs DDR2-800, 550w PSU, and onboard video with Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R motherboard). Runs 65-80w at idle. Turned on F@H with both cores at 100%, and 70-80w. Virtually no difference at all. So no good reason for people to not dedicate the extra cycles on their machines to the medium of their choice while turned on, IMHO. I think all of our systems with C2Ds are currently overclocked to 3.6GHz. I'll probably check to see how much the OC actually uses, but for the price of running a lamp 24/7 I'm quite pleased to leave the mini-puter as is.

Haven't tried my system yet, which has the Leadtek 7900GTX TDH Extreme (factory OC and 512mb) in it. Will soon.

Interestingly, a 19" CRT monitor on the meter says it runs at 25w while on, 12w while in stand-by mode, and 7w when turned off. I didn't realize they used power when turned off but apparently they do. Flat panel monitors use no power when turned off, and 12w (19" widescreen) when turned on (didn't test stand-by as I never use it).

We'll be testing many things with this meter to try to get a handle on our electric bill, but have to say that so far it's already paid for itself ($40AUD).

We have a ATEN Master View KVM Switch (4 port) that we use for the mini puter and all of our test systems. Never had a problem with it and rely upon it heavily. Everything ties into the old Mitsubishi 19" CRT. Never tried a server on the KVM and don't really understand why there would be a difference, but love the KVM switch for what we use it for. For what its worth, we use Nvidia cards only. The mini-puter and our server are the only 2 systems we've built in the past few years without a video card.

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