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Raynor Jan 12, 2008, 01:05am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Alright so I have a full tower case already (Cooler Master Centurion, came with a 350W PSU)

I want to build a fast gaming rig that's just under the curve (IE -> above average performance with minimal added cost). The idea is for it to be upgradable (so that I can add/swap single components in a year or two and still have a fast rig).

Currently I'm looking at buying from ClubIT.com. Any comments on them (price, customer service, etc) would be greatly appreciated.

The Basics: OUTDATED - SEE BELOW

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping Kentsfield 2.40GHz 8MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80562Q6600 SLACR
$277.99

MSI P6N Diamond LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard Retail
$211.99 (181.99 after Rebate)

EVGA Geforce 8800GT 512MB 256bit GDDR3 PCI-Express 2.0 HDCP & SLI Ready Video Card Retail 512-P3-N801-AR
$249.99

2x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5 Gb/s Hard Drive OEM WD1500ADFD
$339.76

2x OCZ Gold 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 Dual Channel Kit Retail OCZ2G8002GK
$95.98 (39.98 after Rebate)

COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro 650W Active PFC NVIDIA SLI & 80 Plus Certified ATX Power Supply Retail RS-650-ACAA-A1
$139.99

Total cost:
$1313.70 (1231.70 after Rebates)

Now for the questions:

1) The graphics card I picked, EVGA 8800GT 512mb is a good card. It seems that from there you nearly double the price to get a good performance boost (GTXs run $400+) Any other suggestions? I intend to buy one now and a second to SLI in a year or two.

2) Is the PSU large enough to handle my current and future needs setup (RAID 0+1 harddrives and SLI'd graphics and overclocking). I want an efficent PSU so >80% is pretty much required. I'm willing to pay a premium for that (Knowing that in the long run I'll make it back). Should I go larger?

3) 4x1GB sticks seems a good choice (esp. @ $10 a stick). Am I going to regret buying this ram or is it good enough to get me through a few years. (To last be until 1066/1333 sticks are $50ish for two high performance sticks)

4) Overclocking. I know the Q6600 G0 can get to 3.6Ghz seemingly without breaking a sweat... I was thinking of going for 3.2Ghz and calling it good for now (hopefully that'll extend the processors life, since it's gonna be a kickass processor for awhile). Any tips/suggestions in that regard?

5) Cooling is obviously going to be an issue with the OCing. Any suggestions on aftermarket cooling? Ideal solution would be low noise/low power/low price (pick two, I know). I have a full tower case so i've got space but I'd like to not have a massive heatsink ontop of the processor. Water cooling is for my next computer... my first one I wanna keep it simple.

Any general tips appreciated and i'll be lurking for awhile to respond and chat. I'm hoping to purchase Sat/Sun so I'm just throwing it out for the geek community to see and hopefully call BS if I screwed something up :)


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>> Re: New Computer - What do you think?
if you want to stay upgradeable, iwould either wait for nvidias 7-series chipsets or go
with intel p35. even better if you pick a x38 chipset board. this way you can at least take
advantage of pci-e 2.0. it would also allow you to with penryn in the future or even nehalem.

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Could you offer some examples?

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2x Western Digital Raptor 150GB 10,000 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 1.5 Gb/s Hard Drive OEM WD1500ADFD
$339.76

Unless that's for a server, that's a waste. 10000 RPM don't have much better performance for consumer needs than modern 7200 RPM drives; moreover, they lack in storage capacity and are extremely pricey. I'd look towards 320 GB or better Seagates.


Raynor said:
2x OCZ Gold 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 Dual Channel Kit Retail OCZ2G8002GK
$95.98 (39.98 after Rebate)

I take Corsair (overclocking) or Kingston (reliability) over OCZ but that's mostly just me.


Raynor said:
1) The graphics card I picked, EVGA 8800GT 512mb is a good card. It seems that from there you nearly double the price to get a good performance boost (GTXs run $400+) Any other suggestions? I intend to buy one now and a second to SLI in a year or two.

In two years, SLI is going to be slower than a new card and you'll probably struggle to find a second one in two years anyway without paying at least $100 more than it's worth.

As to that card now, grab one while they're in stock. 8800GTs are flying off the shelves faster than they can get them on the shelves.

The HD 3870 is slightly faster than the 8800GT in most cases; the HD 3850 is slightly slower.


Raynor said:
2) Is the PSU large enough to handle my current and future needs setup (RAID 0+1 harddrives and SLI'd graphics and overclocking). I want an efficent PSU so >80% is pretty much required. I'm willing to pay a premium for that (Knowing that in the long run I'll make it back). Should I go larger?

I wouldn't trust anything less than 600w (quality at that). 8800GT and Q6600 both draw a lot of power. If you want an efficient PSU, look for one with Active PFC (usually 85%+).


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3) 4x1GB sticks seems a good choice (esp. @ $10 a stick). Am I going to regret buying this ram or is it good enough to get me through a few years. (To last be until 1066/1333 sticks are $50ish for two high performance sticks)

If you are using a 32-bit OS, the computer won't be able to recognize any more than 4 GiB. 4 GiB is a good pick for Vista, 2 GiB is plenty for XP.

Raynor said:
4) Overclocking. I know the Q6600 G0 can get to 3.6Ghz seemingly without breaking a sweat... I was thinking of going for 3.2Ghz and calling it good for now (hopefully that'll extend the processors life, since it's gonna be a kickass processor for awhile). Any tips/suggestions in that regard?

You'll need very serious cooling in order to get close to that speed--both case and CPU. Also, in order to overclock the processor, you'll either need to use a divider on the memory or get better sticks (DDR2-1066 or better).


Raynor said:
5) Cooling is obviously going to be an issue with the OCing. Any suggestions on aftermarket cooling? Ideal solution would be low noise/low power/low price (pick two, I know). I have a full tower case so i've got space but I'd like to not have a massive heatsink ontop of the processor. Water cooling is for my next computer... my first one I wanna keep it simple.

I haven't been in the 775 overclocking market yet so I am of no use there.

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this is goin to be next board to replace my asus p5n-e sli. not much but it only needs to
carry me over. i will build a new pc next year with x48 or which ever chipset is good then
and nehalem.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131190R
only 129.-/ or 199.- retail (not open box)

these are boards i would consider

GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X38 - $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128080

ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 - $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219

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Raynor Jan 12, 2008, 01:47am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Thanks for the extremely detailed response :)

Unless that's for a server, that's a waste. 10000 RPM don't have much better performance for consumer needs than modern 7200 RPM drives; moreover, they lack in storage capacity and are extremely pricey. I'd look towards 320 GB or better Seagates.


Storage is not a huge concern of mine. 300gb is more than enough for what I use it for and I have a 300gb external to which I can offload data. I really want high speed for my harddrives.

In two years, SLI is going to be slower than a new card and you'll probably struggle to find a second one in two years anyway without paying at least $100 more than it's worth.

As to that card now, grab one while they're in stock. 8800GTs are flying off the shelves faster than they can get them on the shelves.

The HD 3870 is slightly faster than the 8800GT in most cases; the HD 3850 is slightly slower.


The card in question is actually Out of Stock XD

Any suggestions then for a good card $200-350? (Higher if it can justify in bang for your buck)


I wouldn't trust anything less than 600w (quality at that). 8800GT and Q6600 both draw a lot of power. If you want an efficient PSU, look for one with Active PFC (usually 85%+).
The one I was looking at is 750W 99% PFC with 86%efficency. The only downside is it's only got 20amps per rail... is that enough and is Zalman a good brand?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379006
ZALMAN ZM 750 HP ATX12V / EPS12V 750W Power Supply 100 - 240 V cUL, CE, CB, FCC - Retail

If you are using a 32-bit OS, the computer won't be able to recognize any more than 4 GiB. 4 GiB is a good pick for Vista, 2 GiB is plenty for XP.

I will probably install Vista... I have a free copy from playtesting.

I take Corsair (overclocking) or Kingston (reliability) over OCZ but that's mostly just me.
You'll need very serious cooling in order to get close to that speed--both case and CPU. Also, in order to overclock the processor, you'll either need to use a divider on the memory or get better sticks (DDR2-1066 or better).

Any suggestions for well priced sticks for the OCing? Memory is one place I was looking to shave a few bucks as later I'll be able to upgrade for much cheaper.

Again thanks for the speedy and detailed reply :D

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these are nice too

ABIT IP35-E LGA 775 Intel P35 - $89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813127031

Foxconn MARS LGA 775 Intel P35 - $186.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186133

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131190R
only 129.-/ or 199.- retail (not open box)


Not a bad board. I like the eSATA... I don't think I would use the built in wireless (We have an N network)

GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS4 LGA 775 Intel X38 - $199.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128080

ASUS P5E LGA 775 Intel X38 - $229.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131219


I don't see any eSATA ports (which is rather important for me).

Think you can give me the dummytalk on why the P35/X38 is better than the board I had chosen? Do these support SLI (I'm guessing not). (And last) Do you think it would be better to buy a 8800GT(S/X/Ultra) and not go SLI (Is it worth it when cost is an issue?) vs. getting a lesser model and going SLI in the future to boost performance?

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Raynor said:
Any suggestions then for a good card $200-350? (Higher if it can justify in bang for your buck)

AMD/ATI HD 3870 or HD 3850. If you can hold out for another month or two, NVIDIA is supposedly going to launch 9800 series cards which should be worth the wait. They're keeping very tight-lipped on things though. Perhaps you could also look at the 8800 GTS 512 MiB (320 and 640 are older GPU).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194022

Raynor said:
The one I was looking at is 750W 99% PFC with 86%efficency. The only downside is it's only got 20amps per rail... is that enough and is Zalman a good brand?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817379006
ZALMAN ZM 750 HP ATX12V / EPS12V 750W Power Supply 100 - 240 V cUL, CE, CB, FCC - Retail

It doesn't look bad but personally, I'd go with this Enermax Infiniti:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194022

It is more expensive and is deceptively weaker but when push comes to shove, it will go toe to toe with most "800w" PSUs out there.


Raynor said:
Any suggestions for well priced sticks for the OCing? Memory is one place I was looking to shave a few bucks as later I'll be able to upgrade for much cheaper.

Overclocking memory is never cheap but here are some I'd look in to...
Newegg results: http://tinyurl.com/3d72nj

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Foxconn MARS LGA 775 Intel P35 - $186.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186133


That Foxconn board is nice (the dogtags are a nice touch) but I've never heard of them before.

So now I'm looking at dropping SLI in favor of a single card (because I can get more upgradability of out it)... am I reading you guys right?

I am looking at spending 150-225 on the mobo... it's important. I want a good mobo for OCing and upgrading.

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AMD/ATI HD 3870 or HD 3850. If you can hold out for another month or two, NVIDIA is supposedly going to launch 9800 series cards which should be worth the wait. They're keeping very tight-lipped on things though. Perhaps you could also look at the 8800 GTS 512 MiB (320 and 640 are older GPU).


I've been putting off building for almost a year now. Are they coming out @ $300ish? I'm concerned about shelling out more than that unless it's really worth it.

It doesn't look bad but personally, I'd go with this Enermax Infiniti:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194022
It is more expensive and is deceptively weaker but when push comes to shove, it will go toe to toe with most "800w" PSUs out there.


If you think that'll carry the system (esp. if I drop SLI like bot was saying) I sort of looked that one over but the more I look at it the more I like it.


Overclocking memory is never cheap but here are some I'd look in to...
Newegg results: http://tinyurl.com/3d72nj


The million dollar question (or in this case the $400 question). Should I invest in 4x1GB Corsair Dominators (or XMS2 kits) now or should I get my 4x1GB OCZ Golds (which are damn shiny xD) for $40 and hold off a year or two and then up the ram? $400 is like 30% of the total cost of the computer. Or maybe I should buy 1 kit of XMS2 and buy a second later... thoughts?

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If you want a good PSU and not so expensive buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/2sxr8r OCZ GameXStream 700w

FordGT90Concept said:
The HD 3870 is slightly faster than the 8800GT in most cases; the HD 3850 is slightly slower.


I think you're wrong. Evey benchmark I see in every site the 880gt beats it. There are only a few games that the HD3870 gets a little bit more frames, it's so little difference that it doesn't matter. The price is excellent for the 3870 but if you like playing with AA on then buy a 8800gt or gts.

Raynor said:
4) Overclocking. I know the Q6600 G0 can get to 3.6Ghz seemingly without breaking a sweat... I was thinking of going for 3.2Ghz and calling it good for now (hopefully that'll extend the processors life, since it's gonna be a kickass processor for awhile). Any tips/suggestions in that regard?


FordGT90Concept said:
You'll need very serious cooling in order to get close to that speed--both case and CPU. Also, in order to overclock the processor, you'll either need to use a divider on the memory or get better sticks (DDR2-1066 or better).


If you want to reach some speeds buy a decent Heatsink, you should read reviews from Thermaltake, Zalman and CoolerMaster. If you want to reach those speeds without a problem buy DDR2-800 minimum. And good brand.

The 680i might give you a headache overclocking Quads at certain speeds. Although 3.2ghz is easily done without too much work.

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Raynor said:
So now I'm looking at dropping SLI in favor of a single card (because I can get more upgradability of out it)... am I reading you guys right?

SLI works great in some games, about the same as a single card in others, and horrible in some. Generally, if you aren't pushing 1600x1200 (or equivalent) resolution or higher, SLI can potentially hurt more than help. It also involves a good bit of lolly gagging about to get it to work right. If you were looking at buying two 8800 GT cards right now, it might be worth it but, if you are looking to buy an 8800 GT now and another 8800 GT two years from now, that second 8800 GT will cost more than a new 10800 GT (or whatever) and perform slower than two 8800 GTs combined. SLI is really only practical for those that have the best (e.g. two 8800 Ultras) and it isn't good enough. It's a great way for NVIDIA to get more money from you and really not have much to show for it except a higher electric bill.


Raynor said:
I've been putting off building for almost a year now. Are they coming out @ $300ish? I'm concerned about shelling out more than that unless it's really worth it.

8800 GTS 512 MiB start at about $330:
http://tinyurl.com/2jqroy

HD 3870 starting at $230:
http://tinyurl.com/286war

Performance wise: HD 3850 < 8800 GT < HD 3870 < 8800 GTS 512 MiB


Raynor said:
If you think that'll carry the system (esp. if I drop SLI like bot was saying) I sort of looked that one over but the more I look at it the more I like it.

No SLI...

This should be sufficient:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194003

This should be slightly excessive:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194004


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The million dollar question (or in this case the $400 question). Should I invest in 4x1GB Corsair Dominators (or XMS2 kits) now or should I get my 4x1GB OCZ Golds (which are damn shiny xD) for $40 and hold off a year or two and then up the ram? $400 is like 30% of the total cost of the computer. Or maybe I should buy 1 kit of XMS2 and buy a second later... thoughts?

The OCZ Gold sticks are trash worthy especially for overclocking. If I were you, I'd get 2 x 1 GiB now and add another 2 x 1 GiB later. I think I'd go with these because the others are heading into the land of excess:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134218

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Meats of Evil said:
If you want a good PSU and not so expensive buy this:
http://tinyurl.com/2sxr8r OCZ GameXStream 700w

Except for the massive cable mess. Once you go modular, you never go back. XD


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I think you're wrong. Evey benchmark I see in every site the 880gt beats it. There are only a few games that the HD3870 gets a little bit more frames, it's so little difference that it doesn't matter. The price is excellent for the 3870 but if you like playing with AA on then buy a 8800gt or gts.

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_2007.html?modelx=33&...;chart=288

It depends a lot on drivers. Sometimes HD 3870 is on top, some times it isn't. They seem well met but the 256 MiB 8800 GT is cheaper than the HD 3870.

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Here is the UPDATED version. Like I said I'm hoping to buy tomorrow so I REALLY appreciate your guys' responses :D It's been really helpful.

Raynor said:
Alright so I have a full tower case already (Cooler Master Centurion, came with a 350W PSU)

The Basics:

Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 G0 Stepping Kentsfield 2.40GHz 8MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80562Q6600 SLACR
$277.99

Foxconn MARS LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
$186.99

EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
$259.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
$119.99

Kingston HyperX 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail
$114.99 (89.99 after Rebate)

ENERMAX Liberty ELT500AWT ATX12V 500W Power Supply 90V~265V (Auto Adjusted) UL, cUL, TUV, CB - Retail
$114.99

Total cost:
$1074.94 (1049.94 after Rebates)


Now for the questions:

1) Cooling is still something I'd like to get suggestions on.

3) Can anyone vouch for ClubIT? They offer G0 stepping Q6600s (which Newegg doesn't)...

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1) Harddrives! I was thinking of WD Raptors in RAID 0+1 with a seagate 320 gb for the mirror... any thoughts on that? I know someone said they are only slightly faster... is that even while raided?

A RAID array of any type is only as fast as the slowest drive and the actual capacity is based on the smallest drive. In the case of RAID 0+1, you need at least four drives where two pairs of drives strip and the pair of strips is mirrored. RAID 0+1 does not mean RAID 1(RAID 0 + non-RAID). RAID 0 is only faster when reading or writing large chunks of data sequentially. When reading/writing small chunks, it is about the same speed; however, you run twice the risk (only one drive has to fail) of losing everything.


Raynor said:
2) Cooling is still something I'd like to get suggestions on.

Keep it under 30 dB. For Kingwin parts, under 25 dB.


Raynor said:
3) Can anyone vouch for ClubIT? They offer G0 stepping Q6600s (which Newegg doesn't)...

Newegg might send you a G0 but they don't guarantee a stepping. Someone who got their Q6600 recently from Newegg should be able to tell you if the have started shipping G0s or not.

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A RAID array of any type is only as fast as the slowest drive and the actual capacity is based on the smallest drive. In the case of RAID 0+1, you need at least four drives where two pairs of drives strip and the pair of strips is mirrored. RAID 0+1 does not mean RAID 1(RAID 0 + non-RAID). RAID 0 is only faster when reading or writing large chunks of data sequentially. When reading/writing small chunks, it is about the same speed; however, you run twice the risk (only one drive has to fail) of losing everything.

Interesting. I was thinking of getting 2 36gb raptors as my boot partition and having a 80gb drive mirror the two... can that be set up? The idea was faster boot/load times. If that isn't possible or is a bad idea i've heard some very good things about the seagate barracudas.

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Interesting. I was thinking of getting 2 36gb raptors as my boot partition and having a 80gb drive mirror the two... can that be set up?


Not with RAID.


The idea was faster boot/load times.


I have noticed that boot times are very dependant on drivers and updates. My 4000+ will load Windows XP in 1.5 scrolls of the bar. Place a Opteron 180 in the same socket and the performance plummets to a dozen+ scrolls.

Load times can be effected but really, how much is one second worth to you? That's what it really comes down to.

Only benchmarks would ever really show you the difference between RAID0/no RAID and 7,200/10,000 RPM.


If that isn't possible or is a bad idea i've heard some very good things about the seagate barracudas.


I currently have at least eight Seagate Barracudas (2 x 7200.7, 2 x 7200.9, and 4 x 7200.10 ES) and you will hear zero complaints from me.

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What i'm seeing is the 7200.10 has a 16mb cache while the 7200.11 has a 32mb cache... any other differences?

Swapped the raptors for the 7200.11 500gb:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3500320AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

I'm betting on it having better performance than the 7200.10 400gb which got top marks in tom's hardware's review of HDs... it's also cheap and more than enough space :D

FordGT90Concept Jan 12, 2008, 06:24am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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What's after the decimal is the revision number. I didn't know 11's came out but basically it is saying it's newer and theoretically better. I can't tell any differences between the ones I do have so I probably couldn't tell any differences with 11 either. XD

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