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Mark Jun 17, 2008, 10:47am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I was just wondering the other day....... I am pretty sure there was an old article that listed the server that ran HWA. Is it still being used? Or did it get upgraded? If so what runs this place now? Just a curious question. ;)


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Jun 17, 2008, 10:56am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> o_O
The whole site runs in Vitaliy's imagination, if you can believe that.

Mark Jun 17, 2008, 11:16am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
McFly said:
The whole site runs in Vitaliy's imagination, if you can believe that.



I'll buy anything that comes from you McFly :_)

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Vitaliy (Administrator) Jun 17, 2008, 02:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
We are using the same servers for several years now - a dual-Xeon machine with SCSI RAID10, a high-end P4 machine with RAID1 Raptors and another dual-Xeon to serve images and other things.

The servers are certainly a generation or two old, but have been serving us quite well.

Our file server with IDE drives in RAID5 has gone through quite a few drives by now (first upgrades, then a round of dead replacements) but this has not been noticeable to you due to RAID5 redundancy.

Moore's Law still pretty much holds and we can build replacement machines today that are probably about 5-10 times faster for about same couple thousand dollars.

Mark Jun 17, 2008, 02:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yea, I seem to remember reading about the p4 system. Did you have an article about it or was it just mentioned in the forums?

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Vitaliy (Administrator) Jun 17, 2008, 02:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mark Curtis said:
Yea, I seem to remember reading about the p4 system. Did you have an article about it or was it just mentioned in the forums?


http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1748/

Mark Jun 17, 2008, 02:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Mark Curtis said:
Yea, I seem to remember reading about the p4 system. Did you have an article about it or was it just mentioned in the forums?


http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1748/



I also found this one

http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/article/1641/

So nothing has changed in a while then I assume :)

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A_Pickle Jun 17, 2008, 02:24pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
Holys**t. A couple of NetBurst-based Xeons and a Pentium 4 run this site?

Gah.

What would a pair of quad-cores do for you guys? :D

Mark Jun 17, 2008, 02:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Holys**t. A couple of NetBurst-based Xeons and a Pentium 4 run this site?

Gah.

What would a pair of quad-cores do for you guys? :D



Dang that means most of our computers are faster than the servers...... :O

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john albrich Jun 17, 2008, 03:20pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
Vitaliy (Administrator) said:
...Moore's Law still pretty much holds and we can build replacement machines today that are probably about 5-10 times faster for about same couple thousand dollars.


Personally, I'm not having any significant performance issues with HWA. I also think any that might crop up in the near future will likely be overwhelmed by ISP performance issues anyway.

I see no reason for additional hardware investment at this time unless it would be for more storage or backup infra-structure. For example I would hope you have this covered, but what would happen if your server room were to be destroyed by fire/flood/tornado/etc.? RAID redundancy doesn't help when everything at one site is toast.

BoT Jun 17, 2008, 03:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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all possible because we don't avatars, signature or pictures in postes. graphiclly not very heavy, keeps the site fast and small.

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Vitaliy (Administrator) Jun 17, 2008, 03:35pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
Mark Curtis said:
Dang that means most of our computers are faster than the servers...... :O

Yep, my desktop and possibly even my laptop have faster CPUs. :) But on the other hand, this shows that what was top of the line a few years ago can still perform quite well in 2008.

Vitaliy (Administrator) Jun 17, 2008, 03:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
Personally, I'm not having any significant performance issues with HWA. I also think any that might crop up in the near future will likely be overwhelmed by ISP performance issues anyway.


Yep, these servers were able to handle all traffic spikes we've had, and if/when we have significant and consistent traffic increase in the future we'll have time to upgrade and expand.

You are correct about ISP problems, as most (albeit not that much) of downtime over the past few years was entirely due to ISP networking or power problems, or miscellaneous things like data center construction and moving of servers between racks.

For example I would hope you have this covered, but what would happen if your server room were to be destroyed by fire/flood/tornado/etc.? RAID redundancy doesn't help when everything at one site is toast.

We have servers on two continents :)

I think this thread should be deleted as according to Murphy's Law all 3 servers will evaporate into thin air tonight when all of us are asleep.

A_Pickle Jun 17, 2008, 04:42pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
Murphy isn't frightened by the powers wielded by forum moderators. If he wishes HWA to go, there isn't hope for any of us... :D

B Jun 17, 2008, 07:24pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
Do we really need a blazing fast computer to run this forum? I think not.

I have never had an issue with the site.

FordGT90Concept Jun 17, 2008, 07:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Vitaliy (Administrator) said:
Yep, my desktop and possibly even my laptop have faster CPUs. :) But on the other hand, this shows that what was top of the line a few years ago can still perform quite well in 2008.

True that. I still play the latest games on my three year old computer. Because processors have gone the way of multi-core instead of more single-thread performance, there really is little to gain from new processors these days unless you are running multithreaded software. It is kind of a weird phenomena actually. For typical Athlon 64/Pentium 4 users, there really is little to gain from the new multi-core processors.

The only time I actually recommend upgrading processors anymore are Athlon XP/Semperon and the Celerons. If people already have an Athlon 64/Pentium 4 or newer, I don't even bring up upgrades unless they specifically request it.

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Gerritt Jun 17, 2008, 11:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: What kind of system runs HWA?
I've run into this question on several forum threads...how fast does your server have to be?
It all comes down to what it's required to do. In the case of handling web and forum threads the answer is not very fast.
The capability of a server to handle a few thousand hits is actually more software centric than HW centric. It is the needs of the services provided that cause most of the impact on server HW, and due to the fact that servers don't need to do real time rendering, a decent website for a few hundred hits can still be built on x386 technology....it's just all the other crap that is being layered on top if the basic services that is forcing upgrades of most servers in most WEB environments. Scientific, search and streaming type services DO induce a heavier load, but there you go.....

RAID and replication are more important to a site than the CPU...though RAM and tracking of leaky apps are very important as well.

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