DublinGunner said:
Welll I've heard these new Deneb's are going to be better tweaked then the current Phenoms and should perform a little better. Will it be enough to fight Nehalem? Probably not, but its a lot better then sitting and doing nothing.

In fairness, it will barely be enough to fight Penryn - of which they have nothing to compete with, as far as raw performance goes.

AMD - underperforming CPU's, TDP issues, TLB bugs, bad yields (not anymore, luckily), broken chipsets etc

What they hell are they doing, seriously??

I have never seen either AMD or Intel get as bad a beating as AMD have been getting the past 2 years.

Intel have changed their strategy drastically since the release of Conroe. They are producing high yielding, high performing CPU's with relatively low TDP's, they clock very well, they drop node sizes when they have it ready, and they sell at a reasonable price.

I used to be an Intel hater (at least during P4 era), but I have to say, I cannot fault them, their tick-tock strategy, their media pieces, their CPU's, their chipsets etc etc.

They've even become quite friendly with the tech press, giving plenty of tid-bits of info on upcoming products, unlike AMD who are acting with such secrecy over their products, you know they wont perform.

The main problem being, AMD will drop that much market share, they will be confined to the low end market, and Intel will be able to charge what they like for higher end parts, as they will have no competition, and can flood the channel with high quality parts.

DublinGunner said:
I wonder if AMD has a migraine yet? XD



DublinGunner said:
Because of Moore's law, the price of processors stay relatively constant. We pay about as much for relative performance now as we did back in the early 90's. If you throw in inflation, we are actually paying less.

DublinGunner said:
The new Deneb 45nm CPU's should have much better TDP. The TLB bug has already been fixed with current B3 stepping Phenoms. Deneb 45nm should get much better yields and AMD stated they are going to release and replace all current SB600 chipsets with the new SB750 which promises much higher OC's well past 3.0 GHz.

I too want AMD to be somewhat competitive to further drive prices down. It will suck if AMD does not execute their 45nm process properly. And they better not delay the freaking thing or they will be in more trouble than it’s worth.

Everybody seems to be very happy with the HD 4800 cards, at least something is going good for them.

Super XP said:

The TLB bug should never have been there in the first place - a pretty large bug for a released CPU.

Super XP said:

Requiring people to buy a new mobo............. (just to use their current CPU)

Super XP said:

I'm not holding my breath for no delays.

Super XP said:

Yes, so ATI can do the job properly. Their CPU engineers seem to have run out of steam after K8

Run out of steam? Naw, their brains imploded! XD

DublinGunner said:
Yes, the Phenom runs great on SB600 based mobo's but they just don't OC well enough. The SB750 will bring new features and will be very OC'ing friendly.

The TLB bug was stupid I admit but Intel had a lot more bugs wrong with the Core 2 when they released it. The only difference was Intel kept quiet and quickly fixed the problem, AMD on the other hand just had to tell the world Duuuu

Did you have a chance to compare both the HD 3800 vs. the HD 4800? There is a reason why the HD 4800 is significantly much faster. AMD scraped the Internal Ring Bus Memory Controller which was used for the HD 3800’s and replaced it with a Crossbar Switch very similar to what you would find on the K8 CPU design. Along with a few other architectural changes which made the HD 4800’s propel past the competition.

This was a smart move by AMD, and I do admit the Ring Bus was quite difficult to work with, it really should have provided much better speeds in theory, but I guess ATI just could not get it working at 100% I assume.