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FordGT90Concept Jul 20, 2008, 04:24am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jul 30, 2008, 12:51am EDT

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Folding @ Home is a distributed computing project ran by Stanford University in hopes of gaining a better understanding of protein folding. In order to join in the effort on the behalf of Hardware Analysis, enter our team number when prompted for it:

Team number: 37576

Feel free to ask any questions by replying to this thread.


Important Links

Stanford folding site:
http://folding.stanford.edu

Download clients here:
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/Download

Download high performance clients here (advanced users only):
http://folding.stanford.edu/English/DownloadWinOther

HWA team statistics:
http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&...mnum=37576

Extreme Overclocking detailed statistics:
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/team_summary.php?s=&t=37576

Kakao detailed statistics:
http://kakaostats.com/t.php?t=37576


Important FAQs

Q. How do I run multiple instances of F@H 5.x console client on a multi-core CPU?
A.
1) Create a new folder for each instance of F@H you want to run. I recommend putting them in the "Program Files" or "Program Files (x86)" (if available) directory as they will create a mess of files and will not need to be tampered with after they are running.
2) Place an executable in each of the folders.
3) Create a shortcut to each one and place them where you can find them.
4) In each short cut, you need to add a space followed by "-local" (without quotes) in the target line. For example:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Folding @ Home 1\FAH504-Console.exe" -local

5) Run the shortcuts each time making sure to say "yes" to configurating advanced options and give each instance a unique process number (1-8). It is also recommend to install these as a service so they will run whenever the computer is running.


Q. What are the step-by-step instructions to configuring F@H 5.x console client?
A.
Follow the instructions in the above response if you want to run more than one instance for multiple cores. Otherwise, just move the executable to a directory where it can stay and proceed with the following instructions:

1) Username: The name can be pretty much anything within reason and choose carefully. This is the name the folding system will know you by. For instance, I would enter "FordGT90Concept" without quotes.

2) Team Number: Enter 37576 for HWA. Leave blank if you don't have a team.

3) Install as Service: Installing as a serivce will cause F@H to never show itself again. As such, it will never disturb you directly in the future. I recommend saying yes. You'll get more work done that way. :)

4) Prompt to send/recieve work: I recommend saying no unless you want to be nagged for some reason (like having a dialup connection).

5) Use Internet Explorer settings: I recommend saying no unless you are on a dialup connection.

6) Use proxy: Say no unless you need to use a proxy in order to connect to the Internet.

7) Allow large work: If your computer is over the top hardware wise (2+ GiB system memory), say yes. Otherwise, say no.

8) Change advanced settings: yes

9) CPU priority: idle is recommended but if you do not want F@H to interfer with what you are doing in any way, key in "low" without quotes.

10) CPU usage: I recommend leaving this at 100 but if there any reason you want to lower it, do so now. It is given as a precentage of the core's processing power.

11) Disable highly optimized assembly code: If your computer is older than the hills, say yes. Otherwise, say no.

12) Pause on battery usage: If your computer has a backup battery or is a laptop, say yes. Otherwise, say no. If you are running on battery, F@H could wear down the battery quickly if this is left to no.

13) Interval between checkpoints: Leave at 15 unless you have an issue with frequent interruptions (e.g. brown and black outs).

14) Memory available: I would divide your total amount of memory (in MiB) by how many instances of F@H you intend to run on this computer and use the result. For instance, If I have 8 GiB of memory and 8 cores, I would allocate 1024 MiB for each of the 8 instances of F@H.

If you are only running one instance of F@H, divide the value it suggests (total system memory) by two and use that value. For instance, if it recommends to use 1024 MiB memory, I would tell it to only use 512 MiB.

15) Request work without deadlines: Say no unless you rarely have Internet access or the computer that will be folding is rarely on and connected to the Internet.

16) Request advanced scientific methods: Say no unless you don't mind receiving risky work. Risky being potentially unstable and very demanding on your hardware.

17) Ignore deadline information: Say no unless there is something wrong with your system clock.

18) Machine ID: Use 1 unless you are setting up multiple instances of F@H to run on the same computer. If you are setting up multiple instances, each instance of F@H needs a unique number here (1-8).

After you enter the machine ID, it will proceed to find work. Wait until after it says "Entering M.D." to verify everything is going well before restarting the computer. After you restart, it will run as a service so you will no longer see the console you just configured. It should pretty much take care of itself from this point on.


Q. How do I stop the client(s) from running when installed as a service?
A.
You can either alter the startup status of the service or you can simply terminate all the "FAH504-Console.exe" processes using the task manager.

Altering the service
1) Go to Start -> Run.
2) In the box, type "services.msc" and click OK.
3) Scroll down the list of services to "FAH@<path to executable>" and double click it.
4) On the General tab, change "Startup type" from "Automatic" to one of the following:
4a) Automatic - Process starts with the computer.
4b) Manual - Allows the user to start the process as needed.
4c) Disable - Forbids the service to run at all.
5) Restart the computer for the changes to take effect.

Temporarily terminating the process
1) Hold down the Control and Alternate key then press the Delete key to open up the Task Manager.
2) Click on the "Processes" tab.
3) Locate the Image Name "FAH<version>-Console.exe" and click on it to select it.
4) Click on End Process to terminate it. After a few seconds, the associated "FahCore_<#>.exe" will close as well.
5) Repeat steps 3 and 4 for each running instance of the application. F@H will resume upon restarting the computer.


Q. Will running the client effect my computer's performance?
A.
Generally, no. I have been running it for two-three years and the only times I had to terminate (see above) the processes is when working with Gearcraft/Hammer or some very intensive applications like Mass Effect. Both exhibit poor performance while F@H is running. Most of the time, F@H backs off when something intensive is running so long as you set the priority to low during setup.


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FordGT90Concept Jul 20, 2008, 01:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jul 20, 2008, 01:44pm EDT

 
>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
Judging by Extreme Overclocking stats, we are in serious decline. :(

HWA ranks 720 overall which is pretty respectable.

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BoT Jul 20, 2008, 01:49pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
we are declining thou. we were below 700 a couple of month ago.
but it is very respectable considering that you and i are really the only mayor contributors

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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
I could add one more processor to the fray but that's it for a long time. :(

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FordGT90Concept Jul 21, 2008, 07:05am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jul 21, 2008, 07:07am EDT

 
>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
I got my 11th and final instance of F@H running for the time being. While I configured it, I wrote up a FAQ for advanced options that hopefully someone will find useful.

I should really make an app to make configuration quicker.

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BoT Jul 21, 2008, 12:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
i ramped up production again as well
maybe we can push it under 700 again

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BoT Jul 30, 2008, 12:30am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
we turn the down curve. by next month we should be well on our into an up trend.

here is also a link to kakaostats, it's a pretty good tool to keep track of team statistics and trends. it's also recommanded by Folding@Home

http://kakaostats.com/t.php?t=37576

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FordGT90Concept Jul 30, 2008, 08:44am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
I think I'm falling in user rank. :(

I added that link to my intro post.

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BoT Aug 04, 2008, 12:15pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
we are up again. from 722 to 716 and rising

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FordGT90Concept Aug 04, 2008, 01:33pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
You're producing 2000 more points than I am per time frame. What hardware are you folding on?

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BoT Aug 04, 2008, 06:03pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
right now i am folding solely on a 8800GTS 320
crazy point system

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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
I agree. I have well over $1000 USD of processors (excluding all the other hardware) folding, 10 of which are on a 64-bit platform, yet it can't equate one $200 graphics card? Sad...very sad. I can't even make the 8800 GT or 8500 GT fold because they don't have 64-bit drivers yet. I doubt my older X800 XL would ever support folding. Basically the system is screwing those with larger investment (two-way processors, massive banks of memory, etc.) and power costs in favor of single card solutions.

Maybe they need to move away from FPU and more towards 64-bit ALU algorithms. There is far more ALU performance in the world than there is FPU and ALU allows no room for guess work as there is no rounding throughout calculations. Because ALU runs at least one op/clock faster than FPU, it is also significantly faster.

I think Stanford has a lot of pondering to do. I have always been quite unimpressed with their cobble job software. If they expect to make effective use of the home computer, they need to be quick to adapt new technologies like new instruction sets (SSE4) and x86-64. Instead, they focus on PlayStation 3 and GPUs. It almost makes me want to save my clocks for some other project that does value my expenditures.

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BoT Aug 04, 2008, 11:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
i agree ford. stanford has lost a bit of focus of what this is all about.
i blame nvidia for it. nvidia has big investments in the creation of the new clients and the pointing system.
i soooo wanted to buy an ati 3850 or 4850, i almost ordered it last week.
but it seems to me that nvidia cards are even favored over ati cards.
i had a 2600pro and only came up with 770 PPD vs the 8800gts with 4300-4700 PPD
i know the card is quiet superior to the 2600 and is not really a good comparison but by that much? thats like 6 times as many points per day. i can't get more then 330 PPD with any cpu i have, no matter how many or few instances i run.
way out of alignment

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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
Know of a good place to complain to them about this?

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BoT Aug 05, 2008, 06:37am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
the forum
http://foldingforum.org/
my understanding is that the panda group and the founder himself actually read it and participate.

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FordGT90Concept Aug 06, 2008, 02:08am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
I don't think I'm going to get anywhere. If I don't, I just might switch over to SETI or something...

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BoT Aug 06, 2008, 09:54pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
it's the answer that i expected. "thats just how it is" type.
still doesn't explain why the 8800 fairs so much better then the 2600 or why not even a ps3, which has an amazing amount of fpu does not even fair well compared to the 8800.

anyway, BOINC looks better and better. i have been runnin them for a while now too on my own team and maybe will dedicate more time to that as well. at least for the cpu's.

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Edited: Aug 06, 2008, 10:41pm EDT

 
>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
BoT said:
anyway, BOINC looks better and better. i have been runnin them for a while now too on my own team and maybe will dedicate more time to that as well. at least for the cpu's.

I have to agree with that. I think I made some progress with Pande Group. If they don't promise to make changes soon, I'll probably have to switch. I would rather have my comps work for someone that cherishes a contribution--no matter how small. The attitude I'm seeing over there is the stuff WMDs are made of.

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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
They locked the thread and nothing has been changed. I no longer have any computers contributing to the F@H project.

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>> Re: Hardware Analysis Folding@Home Team (Part 2)
they locked the thread? i guess that is a final answer. dang
so you boinc'ing now? if you do, who you boinc'ing for?

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