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Wayne Young Mar 20, 2009, 04:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I have a basic Dell 2400 and would like to start playing a few online games mainly call of duty 4. i got a 8400gs video card but it doesn't work right on the dell( keep it for new system or return it ? )
I also have a old sound blaster LIVE card and i'm not much into music on the computer so i shoul be able to keep it . the only problem is both cards are PCI.
what about this to start Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz 3MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor
I'm working with a very small budget,i also understand the Dell case is to small so i'll need that as well . ready for all the help i can get ,i know NOTHING about computers !! i do have a few friends to help put it all together.


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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
what is a ballpark figure for your budget?
the e7300 would be a good start, if you could bump it into the e8xxx serious even better.
i would try to trade the 8400 for a like 9400 or better. the 9600 are really good price/ performance wise.
mobo wise i would go with a p45 board or if the budget is really tight maybe a p35.
any mayor brand you are compfortable with should as these chips been out for a while and most mayor kinks have been worked out.
what about memory? it's still cheap, i would try to jump on a set of DDR2 800 or 1066 as soon as possible. DDR2 promises only to go up in price because of the slow switch to DDR3.

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
I also found this mobo GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775 Intel G31 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard it only $53.00 but i believe you get what you pay for like i said small budget but??
i got the video card form Newegg and it can be returned.

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Edited: Mar 20, 2009, 05:30pm EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
the p45 sounds good Newegg shows 61 --best for the buck?
is the processer i chose ok?Don't see the e 7300 at newegg
and change to this video card XFX PVT96OZDFU GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Read
would i need 2 pcie slots or is there no need for a sound any more or do all the mobo have atleast 1 pci slot

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
what is the total budget for your build?

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
one of may friends said he put one together for $400.00 i may have alittle more

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Edited: Mar 20, 2009, 07:02pm EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
here is a list of what i'm thinking (sorry i don't know computer lingo)
ASRock P45XE LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
XFX PVT96OZDFU GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular PSU
Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
WINTEC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) MEMORY
Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160215A 160GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive
Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan
I think all i have left is a case i'm at $500.00 now if i can cut cost anywear please let me know.

BoT Mar 20, 2009, 07:24pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
the cpu will do
i would rather go with this board. i know it's 10 bucks more but worth it, i would even drop the s-flex in order to get this board over the asrock
GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372
or
GIGABYTE GA-EG41M-S2H - this has onboard video as an option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128365

ram wise
OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227178

and video - no doubt this one
MSI N250GTS-2D512-OC GeForce GTS 250 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127422

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Reason   Mar 20, 2009, 10:27pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
You'll want a hard drive that uses SATA as IDE/PATA is on its way out. Both of the mobos Bot listed only have one IDE connector, and you'll likely want to use that for your optical drives. SATA is a bit cheaper, too. Here are some Seagate 160 GB drives:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&...rchInDesc=

I HIGHLY recommend getting the GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L that Bot listed over the cheaper one. It will allow for more upgrades, especially RAM, that you won't be able to do with the other one. In one or two years you won't miss that $25 but you'll be damn glad you can upgrade your RAM without doing a whole motherboard upgrade.

would i need 2 pcie slots or is there no need for a sound any more or do all the mobo have atleast 1 pci slot

PCI-E and PCI are different. PCI-E x16 is used for your video card, and you don't need to pay for two. For that reason I'd get the Gigabyte over the ASRock, as you'll be paying the same money for things you'll better be able to use.

PCI-E x1 is slowly replacing PCI, and they are both used for peripherals like sound cards.

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
I added links and current prices so other members can see exactly what you've currently got more easily and make recommendations.

ASRock P45XE LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157143
$95 + S&H

XFX PVT96OZDFU GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681415034...PVT96OZDFU
$110 + S&H (-$10 MIR)

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W ATX12V V2.2/ EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Modular PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681715203...k=RX-730SS
$90, free S&H

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681911520...;Tpk=E7400
$120, free S&H

WINTEC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) MEMORY
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161322
$25 + S&H

Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3160215A 160GB 7200 RPM IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682214821...ST3160215A
$44 + S&H

Scythe S-FLEX SFF21F 120mm Case Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683518500...X%20SFF21F
$14 + S&H
Total is $498 plus S&H, less the $10 rebate on the 9600


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Edited: Mar 21, 2009, 03:24am EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
Here is the same thing with Bot's recommendations, with my own added in:

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372
$99 + S&H

MSI N250GTS-2D512-OC GeForce GTS 250 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127422
$130 + S&H

PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS500 500W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply - Retail
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703015
$90, + S&H

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681911520...;Tpk=E7400
$120, free S&H

OCZ Platinum 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227178
$27 + S&H

Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST3160813AS 160GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148397
$40 + S&H
You WILL need a cable for this, OEM means it doesn't come with one.

Total is $506 plus S&H


Comments:
The hard drive is cheaper and will be faster, although the need to pick up a cable may negate the $4 savings. But, you know, faster. And like I said in the earlier post, you won't want to go with an IDE hard drive.

Spend the $2 extra for name brand RAM.

The PSU may be rated for a lower wattage, but it has a few advantages. Also, PSU manufacturers know that higher ratings = higher sales, so caveat emptor.
- PCP&C say they rate their PSUs at 50*C, which means that even if it gets up to 122*F inside your case, your PSU will still have no problem. Your PSU is your fuel supply, it doesn't matter how awesome that Veyron is if you got no gas.
- It's more efficient. Less efficiency = more heat generated for the same work done. Heat is the enemy of electronics.
- Active PFC. This helps a lot with efficiency. I don't really understand if fully, but it is a Good Thing.
- There is some debate on whether modular cables negatively affect PSUs. I say, why take the risk? How often will you need to add or remove cables? yeah, they clutter up the case and can impede airflow, but they can be routed and tucked away.
- Check the reviews on those two PSUs. When looking at Newegg reviews it's important to realize that some percentage of people will rate it poorly, so what I do is compare percentages for all 5 ratings. The PCP&C goes 81, 10, 4, 1, 4, and the Raidmax goes 69, 13, 7, 3, 8.

You still need a case. I'd look on Craigslist for one, you can usually find "something" there quite cheaply, or possibly stretch your budget and get a used Antec 900 or a nice Lian Li..

You might also consider buying some other components used. You might save $7-$8 off the top plus S&H (and maybe tax - do you live in CA? Newegg charges tax if you do) buying used RAM. For example someone here is selling 2 9800 GTXs for $200 or $120 each. Something to consider.

For your first build though it's probably a good idea to go new. Returns should be easier and it'll be easier to troubleshoot any problem products you have.

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Wayne Young Mar 21, 2009, 03:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Mar 21, 2009, 05:03pm EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
thanks for all the info guys here is what i have come up with

SIGMA ZEN ZEN-WJG Jade green SECC Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811226024
will this work (only $30.00 )

XFX PVT96OZDFU GeForce 9600 GSO 1GB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681415034...PVT96OZDFU

Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 Wolfdale 2.8GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7400
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681911520...;Tpk=E7400

GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372

PC Power & Cooling Silencer PPCS500 500W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703015

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227298

worth it or go back to the 2x1gb? $3.00 difference


Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250310AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148261

or is the 160gb enougt--right now i have a 80gb split c at 82% free d at 90% free but i do plan on loading some games in the future. $10.00 difference


so what do yall think? hard drive said i would need a cable ??? the other problem is my dvd recorders are from my old Dell 2400(5 yrs old) heard they may have different plugs now.
i'm stuck on the 9600 video card for the free cod 4 and 5 games.
ok i'm at $589.00 --$519.00 after mailin rebates -- then shipping




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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
ok, couple of things:
i really would consider the
MSI N250GTS-2D512-OC GeForce GTS 250 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127422
when i posted it, it was actually on sale with MIR. it could have been had for $99.-
it dropped in price again and is now at $129.-
it's quiet a jump from the 9600GSO to the GTS250 and IMO worth well more then $20.- bucks.

1 ide port is on the board as for the DVD, here is a $20.- sata dvd burner
LG Black 16X DVD+R SATA CD/DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136159

here is also a 250gb hdd thats only 40 bucks
Western Digital Caviar RE WD2500YD 250GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136010

so with saving 10 bucks on the hdd, the vid would only be 10 bucks more

i would stay away from that model seagate anyway

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
oh geez, almost forgot. check out this deal on a
PC Power & Cooling S61EPS 610W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703005


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Edited: Mar 21, 2009, 10:21pm EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
ok, heres an update

MSI N250GTS-2D512-OC GeForce GTS 250 512MB GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127422

i really only plan on playing cod 4-5 (free with other card) so do i really need this card(or are you looking a few years down the road )will i see the difference?

like i said i know nothing and i do see your name on alot of forums helping alot.
I'm really thankful,
the other products you mention will save me some money but are they any good (you get what you pay for)
a few other ?'s will the case i chose work and what about ram for the time being i will be running xp (i already have it) but i'm sure one day i may have to change to vista,i read that for xp 2x1gb is fine use 2x2gb on vista only $3.00 difference

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Edited: Mar 21, 2009, 11:00pm EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
if you really "only" playing this game and it does come with the card, i see you point but i am not sure how long you have been gaming or how much time you have to do so.
i am thinking a little future proof here and i doubt that it just stays with this game.
even in cod you will see big improvements by switching to the GTS250.
the GTS250 is basically an update 9800 GTX+, so that's like 3 or 4 steps up from the 9600 GSO.

besides the msi card comes with far cry, if that still doesn't make it more interesting or you are set on CoD then here are a couple of options:
SPARKLE SXS250512D3-NM GeForce GTS 250 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814187070
same price
or
EVGA 512-P3-1150-TR GeForce GTS 250 512MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130468
this one is $139 bucks. evga is my prefered brand so i really would like to recommand you this one but it's 10 bucks more. comes with CoD as well

the dvd burner i listed is cheap and i would not put my hand even close to a fire for it but it's cheap. absolutly, you get what you pay for. right now i was looking for one that has sata.
you have one ide port on the motherboard, so if you do decide to go with a new hdd then you could actually keep your old one an hook it up to the ide.

the hdd i listed is 10 bucks cheaper and no doubt can hold water with the seagate.
WD drivers are decent if not better. besides there was quiet a controversy about the seagate 7200.10 drives and there firmware. many of the drives failed and often data was unrecoverable. i'd stay away from seagate drives until they bring out a new generation drives

i would stick with the 2x2gig, even thou you use xp now and it probably will hardly ever use half of it, as you already mentioned, for in the future look, maybe vista, maybe win7, they will make good use of the 4gig. even CoD will use quiet a bit of memory and other games even more so

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>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
case, i can see something like this:
COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UB Black /Blue
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119047
or
COOLER MASTER Centurion 541 RC-541-SKN1 Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119088
or
COOLER MASTER Elite RC-334-KKN1-GP
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119190

in essence, if you can get a cooler master for cheap, get a cooler master for cheap

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Edited: Mar 22, 2009, 04:47am EDT

 
>> Re: welder --- building first computer ???
I'd like to add things that you can cheap out on and things that you shouldn't. This is just some generalizations.

You'll upgrade it later anyway:
Optical drives: cheap and easy to replace. Don't spend too much money here.
Video card: while you'll get less performance for less money, sometimes to the point of making it worthless if you go too cheap, the latest and greatest cards generally get devalued really quickly. They're worse than new cars. They're also easy to upgrade.
RAM: I know I said spend the extra $2 on name brand RAM earlier, but, it's $2. RAM is really cheap right now and there's really no need to spend too much.

Quality is cheaper in the long run:
Motherboard:
Your foundation needs to be good. When it gets replaced you'll generally want to reinstall Windows, so you don't want to replace it often. I don't anyway.
Power supply: Makes the whole thing run and can take out other components if it fails
Hard drive: Nothing worse than having all your data disappear

Middle of the road:
Case: You can get a great deal on some no name stuff, or it can be total crap. It is a bit of a chore to move everything to a new case, and there's always a bit of risk whenever you are redoing all your connections.
Processor: I may take some crap for this, but, processors are pretty easy to upgrade, at least in their own socket family. They're more important than graphics cards, since they run everything and not just games, but they also tend to get devalued quickly by the Next Big Thing.

I think that covers everything, it's 1:38 AM and I probably shouldn't be offering computer advice :)

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