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Aki Horie Sep 17, 2009, 01:17pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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http://imicarus.com/2009/09/17/nvidia-dx11-will-not-drive-gpu-sales/

So to put it shortly, NVidia basically took a swing at ATi/AMD and said that DX11 will not stimulate the sales of graphics cards.

NVidia stated that the software accompanying DX11 will, but not the engine itself.

But I believe that the hardware itself, consumer myths, and aesthetics may also play a role in the sales of future DX11 graphics cards.

What do you guys think?


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Plug & Play Sep 17, 2009, 01:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales

Thats becoz us gamerz are not going to swallow the same propaganda bullshit as before. When everyone nVidia included stated that DX10 was the best thing since slice bread....Millions of $$$$$ laterz it was all horses**t....


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Well well, we - HWA - have a new informer by the name of Aki Horie. You've been
flooding the HWA gates with news, and tech-bits so good on ya mate. You've added a bit of
revival to the HWA Clan. And offered a good few topic of debates.
Although I've added a few posts to your other threads, it's about time i welcomed you
onboard! Cheers! ;)

The only one good thing I've liked about DX10 is the Post Proc and motion blur. That's it.
The post proc gave the most realistic daylight in Crysis than in any game I've ever seen.
The post proc is good on DX9 but not nearly as realistic as the DX10. As for DX10 motion
blur, that was quite impressive I have to say, but a total resource hog. But in the end, I
tried to swear by DX10 and i eventually gave up. Loadsa devs just stuck their finger up
at it, and produced some amazing DX9 games instead.

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Aki Horie Sep 17, 2009, 01:41pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
Plug & Play: Yea, I agree... I admit, I used to be the typical "OMG NEW GRAPHICS CARD, SO COOL, BEST ON THE MARKET" kind of guy, but once I saw the point, like the one you said, I realized it was so pointless...

But, personally, I think these consumer myths, misunderstandings of hardware, and gamers going "OMG" may stimulate the GPU sales more than we think...

TamTheBam: Thanks! :)

To be honest, I was a bit scared about posting here because in one of the other hardware forums I was posting what I wrote on, they didn't appreciate me too much. They just told me I was just posting cookie-cutter posts. So I left that one.

But then again I didn't get any replies to "what do you guys think of ____?" when I posted there so I was going to leave anyways...

But I will definitely continue to post here! I can always have a conversation about tech here since people actually reply back.

And I will try to contribute more to this forum :)

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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
You'll get thats**t in every forum. There's a few on here, you'll meet them soon enough lol.
It doesn't matter what the info is. If we've not seen it, then we're glad to read it.
There are spammers on here, but you know immediately who there are. If you paste links
on here sensibly, no one will bat an eyelid.
Feel free to say what ever you like on here. Everyone else does lol ;)

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Aki Horie Sep 17, 2009, 03:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
Haha yea. But I've been lucky so far I guess.

Though now that I think about it, I think the hardware myths/mystiques will stimulate the graphics card sales the most in the beginning.

Then, once more consumers start to get the footing of what DX11, the software accompanying it, and the hardware can do, then we'll probably see more sales off of the software accompanying DX11 and its hardware.

On the topic of DX11 gfx cards... do you think NVidia will have enough of a punch to come back from such a big deficit against ATi/AMD?

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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
Aki Horie (92221) said on Sep 17, 2009 at 01:41pm EDT:
To be honest, I was a bit scared about posting here because in one of the other hardware forums I was posting what I wrote on, they didn't appreciate me too much. They just told me I was just posting cookie-cutter posts. So I left that one.


That's because we're the best! And our love is special. We like to share lol. Honestly though this site may not be what it used to be but people here have more knowledge than in the bigger sites like tomshardware, anandtech etc.
In fact, if you search on google for a specific problem most top links lead here! That's why we have so much thread revivals lol.

I also wanted to say welcome to the forum, I didn't know you were new lol, I thought another member changed their nicks or something.

Ok back to topic.... Seriously the only sales it will drive will be from the AMD fanboys, it was the same when Dx10.1 was available. Everyone said they rule and all such things and the only game that I think used that pos marketing scheme was Assassin's creed and guess what? they disabled it in the latest patch, due to performance issues or something to do with Nvidia. Of course, we're talking about a supposedly "brand new" engine and I hope microsoft means that because as Tam said we got screwed with Dx10 as nothing revolutionary came out of it but is that Nvidia's fault? I don't think so. I blame more microsoft on the lame gaming campaign the did for the Pc.

Now, to be honest I'm not excited at all with Dx11, until I see a game that did what Crysis did when it was first shown then I'm not buying into this whole Dx crap. Unless of course I'm in need for an upgrade hehe.

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Aki Horie Sep 17, 2009, 04:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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MeatsofEvil: haha nah, I'm brand new to this forum. I just started posting a week or so ago.

Yea you're right, this forum is pretty high up there on Google haha. First page woo.

People do say DX11 is supposed to be more revolutionary in the part where "games will be much more realistic and immersive with much more physics from both NVidia and AMD" but they said that the last time when Ageia came out with those PhysX cards. And those weren't exactly great... And DX 10.1 didn't exactly bring much to the table either.

I'm with you, I'm waiting on upgrading(from my 8500GT lol) until I see something that makes a significant difference in my PC's performance. But until then, I'm going to hang tight with my good ol' 8500GT... though I don't know if that's exactly good... haha

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lol honestly any midrange level card will give you a very big difference but then again, the more patience you have the better the reward will be. I say hang on tight and keep saving money until you see a game that blows you away that you need to make it your mission to play it at max settings.

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I can't wait for DX11. Shader Model 5.0 there'll be a few surprises in there.
Nvidia will come up leaps & bounds with DX11 at some point. ATi are ahead of the
game just now for DX11 and have the ball in their court - which's be long due. So good
on them. Nvid, need to just take time with their prototypes and get them right rather
than rushing and dishing out poor cards. If all the speculation is right about Nvid/ATi
then this'll be the shake up the GPU industry has been needing. The whole DX10 Card
scenario was just getting beyond ridiculous.

Mind you DX11 et all aside, how about the industry revamping the whole GPU.
What I mean is have ample memory this time round. I want too much memory in a GPU.
1Gb of GPU memory's just not enough these days is it? And Nvid still churning out
GDDR3 where ATi's on GDDR5! I don't know, Hardware manufacturers seem to make
hardware that's limited and can't be exceeded. Take a look at the latest Grand Theft
Auto, i wouldn't say it was the nicest looking game graphically, but fook me, it used
up all the 768MB on my 8800GTX mem if i ran at high spec. It caused a significant
problem. Never seen that with any other game.

Also when it comes to upgrading hardware/system, I'll go for what's giving the best
performance at that particular time. If it's ATi for DX11 this time, I'll be buying it.
If it's AMD next year with a stonker of a CPU that kicks sand in the face of Intel,
I'll buy it. Stuff the FanBoys**te lol

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Aki Horie Sep 17, 2009, 06:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
Agreed, I think that both companies just simply stayed on a static performance standard for far too long as a result of DX10. Though that's mainly Microsoft's fault for staying on DX10 for so long... maybe Windows 7 should've came instead of Vista? Xp Or DX11 for that matter.

I also heard rumors that ATi may be moving past GDDR5... something about XDDR1 I think it was called.

And I definitely agree with having more memory. The memory may be getting progressively faster, but the capacity hasn't really changed. As a result, some of those games and programs just use every single bit of memory in the GPU.

I definitely think that the GPU industry is in for a shake-up, with AMD/ATi coming out first with a new generation, and there's also Intel coming with Larrabee aka the GPGPU.

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LMAO @ Tam...you are so CAMP GREEN (nvidia)......hehe

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LMAO CampGreen! Just like you boyo! lol :P

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Plug & Play Sep 18, 2009, 04:14am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Nah, Tamster....I am CAMP PERFORMANCE!!!!

Or maybe just CAMP. :blush:

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Nah, you're just camp! lol :P

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Plug & Play Sep 18, 2009, 08:32pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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CHASE ME.....:blush:

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LEntless Sep 18, 2009, 09:36pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Dx11?

What is Dx?

Anyway, DX10 was a complete BS marketing scheme. I still prefer running games in dx9.


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Supreet Virdi Sep 19, 2009, 12:03am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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LEntless said:
Dx11?

What is Dx?

Anyway, DX10 was a complete BS marketing scheme. I still prefer running games in dx9.



Yes, and people like you barely knows what it means to developer coding games using Direct X.

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Aki Horie Sep 19, 2009, 12:27am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Haha wooo more people other than Plug & Play, TamTheBam, BoT, and a few other people! Xp

Too bad someone "may" be completely missing the point of this thread and DX11... :P

LEntless Sep 19, 2009, 01:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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^It was a joke. Either way, dx10 is almost useless- it should have been 9.5 ;)


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Meats_Of_Evil Sep 19, 2009, 02:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: NVidia: DX11 will NOT Stimulate Graphics Card Sales
Supreet is right though, I mean didn't the same thing happen when DX9 got out? It took years for them to start using it correctly and even more years to bring it's potential. DX10 didn't have the time it needed to fully bring its potential.

*Edit*
Oh and Plug, you're greener than St.Patrick's day! Lol I just read the last post:
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/74907/

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