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<a class= Oct 20, 2009, 03:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Any audiophiles here? I was looking to get some better "phones" than the stock ones that came with Zune. I used to owe Pioneer's HDJ-1000 set before it physically snapped due to crap build quality and those were simply amazing for music.

I am looking at something sub $300 range but don't know what to get.

Here are some options I am considering:

http://www.amazon.com/Grado-Prestige-Series-SR325is-Headphones...amp;sr=1-1

Audiophiles seem to think Grados are pretty much the ultimate sound performance. I've never listened to any of their sets but I am kinda wondering about how safe they are to listen to because their drivers get very close to eardrums and that's just not a very good thing for the brain.

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-HDJ-2000-Reference-Professional-...amp;sr=1-1

The HDJ's are considered pretty much the best in build quality which is hella important to me because my last set broke) but I haven't seen much about their sound comparison to Grado's.

http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD600-Over-Ear-Professional-H...=1-1-spell

Sennheiser's are a solid name, brand that's known in headphone world and respected. These seem to be the choice of many but again, I don't know how they compare to the other two.

Any suggestions?


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kOrny Oct 20, 2009, 03:16pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Any of those are good, just depends on how much you want to spend. I'd prolly go with the Sennheisers over the Grados.

I have these and they rock (I use them for recording... only $99 now damn).
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-K240-Semi-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA

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My headphones for home are a pair of Sennheiser HD280's:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000065BPB

Which I love. The frequency response is designed to be a bit flat, which makes them well-suited towards music production (which I'm not involved in). With even minor EQ adjustments though, they sound outstanding. Even on my Rockboxed Sansa c250 (which I usually use with my IEM's).

As for IEM's, I currently use the original set of Apple IEM's (we're not talking about the iPod headphones here, just to be clear!). They work and sound great, but I'm looking to replace them as soon as I can find another good, affordable pair of IEM's.

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I heard that some of the higher end Sennheiser sets aren't all that great. Don't let that scare you away though. They make quality sets.

I have PC 161's (a basic $60 set), and it performs well. One thing I have to nag at, as with most cheaper sets, is that the bass response frequency is perhaps questionable. The bass sounds for music are good, but if you use a program like Guitar Rig 3/4 to record, play or playback bass tracks, I noticed that some notes sounded off. Just certain notes I played sounded slightly out of tune, almost like I was doing a 1/4 or 1/2 bend...this was mostly on the B string, but on other string as well. I had to take off the 161's to figure it out....very strange, at least for me...I thought I was going insane! If I played it back with any other play, same result. Anyway, I plugged in my 5HV2 headset- problem fixed. No problems with guitar tracks, or general listening...though.

Tried another headset lying around, and had the same issue...but it was a cheap $30 Cyber Acoustics set.

I'm happy with what I got, for general listening and gaming...but soon I will want something around the OP's price range.



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Michael C Oct 20, 2009, 05:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Bass on those headphones, lol!!!

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Mike Metier Oct 20, 2009, 05:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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k0rny said:
Any of those are good, just depends on how much you want to spend. I'd prolly go with the Sennheisers over the Grados.

I have these and they rock (I use them for recording... only $99 now damn).
http://www.amazon.com/AKG-K240-Semi-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA

Just curious, have you ever listened to grados sr325? I have a set of those and its the highest of the prestige series and i havent heard ANYTHING that even comes close.
Also, their open cup so for one they sound a hell of a lot better(bad if you want them to keep noise out or have people near you) and two less dangerous and you can listen to them alot longer without getting fatigued. Also, the bass is f**king unheard of.

The first time i heard my grados, i had tears in my eyes. Their simply beautiful.

Vitaliy (Administrator) Oct 20, 2009, 05:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I've had Sony MDR-V6 for quite some time and they are excellent.

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-MDR-V6-Monitor-Headphones-Voice/dp/B00001WRSJ

There is also MDR-7506 which is apparently a newer model:

http://www.amazon.com/Sony-7506-Pro-MDR-7506-Headphones/dp/B0002H02ZY

Can't really compare it with other high-end headphones, but at the time they were highly-recommended/rated and affordable.

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I never really "got" open-air headphones. For me, I listen when headphones when I don't want other people to be able to hear my music. When I didn't care, I just cranked my Polk RT5's and my Yamaha amp!

Meats_Of_Evil Oct 21, 2009, 12:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I bought a Sennheiser CX300 white earbuds on ebay, note these are "apparently" the older CX300 not the newer CX300II. Thing is Amazon has almost a thousand reviews on this earbuds about how good their sound quality are and the "phenomenal base", also these are the "noise canceling" kind and brought 3 (kind of cheap feeling) gummy adjusters for the ears, you have small, medium and large. I've been using the large and they sometimes fall off, but I don't know if this is due to my ear canal being enlarged thanks to other circular earphones I've used in the past.

Now to be honest I don't found them quite that great, not even impressive to be honest although Im still giving them some time since supposedly you have to let them adjust themselves by playing music and other stuff for about a week? Supposedly I mean.

Also, I paid almost $10 for them from eBay from a seller from China who had tremendously good reviews especially on his headphones and I figured since they're manufactured there they must cost less huh? Well damn right man! But the thing is they might be fake!
I've read a lot of guides on how to identify fake Sennheisers that were rampagely being sold everywhere, although mine does not qualify, sort of. They only have one weird thing and that is being the logo which supposedly the "s" from sennheiser is supposed to fit perfectly inside the square and not have the edges sticking on the border. But I can't verify if this is true since mine came in box and all with shiny Sennheiser letters and that stuff. Thing is that Sennheiser themselves can't tell for sure if the earbuds are their own! I've read a report and all they had to say was to buy from approved retailers.

Honestly I wrote that because I don't know what to believe. I'm also not particularly happy with the sound quality I get with these "noise canceling earbuds". I'm not used to having something being sticked up so far into my ear hole just to have them stay put. My previous earbuds where the ones that came with my HP laptop. They sell them OEM in eBay and for an excellent price and to be honest they sounded a whole lot better than the Sennheiser CX300 that I own, including base and all but they're also litle bigger than the Sennheisers. http://tinyurl.com/yjcruhe Although they do hurt the ears after long use, maybe 1 to 2 hours. They hurt enough that you have to adjust them comfortably in your ear to keep on going.

Sorry for the long post, but I want to make sure you get what you're expecting and not what other people tell you to expect. Also, don't be a cheap bastard like me, buy from an authorized retailer or e-tailer just to be sure you're getting the real thing.

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Liquid Shadow Oct 21, 2009, 01:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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It really depends on what you listen to. I personally own the AKG K271 MkII (retails for about $270) for studio monitoring purposes. The AKG K240 is one of the most popular headphones used in studios worldwide, and for a good reason. A friend of mine has it. Both the K240 and K271 are studio headphones designed for recording purposes, thus they both have very neutral responses, nothing is hyped. Neither of these have a lot of bass, but great for classical and acoustic music. Thus it is very important to know what you will be listening to. Just my 2 cents.

EDIT: I just saw that you want to use it with your Zune, then neither of these AKG will be good as they have quite high impedances for mobile players, (55ohm on my AKG K271). Why not try one of the Shure's IEMs?



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<a class= Oct 21, 2009, 01:31pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Why not try one of the Shure's IEMs

1. I don't trust them because their drivers are so small, they cannot possibly have nice bass.
2. I hate phones of that type :)

The 2 major types of music I listen to are DJ mixes (with a lot of bassy stuff) and classical.

For all my DJ'ing stuffs I care about nice bass and that's one of the reasons to pay a nice sum for headphones. Cheap ones have crap bass, more expensive ones do have it better but it depends on a specific set. I some ppl said HDJ's bass wasn't that impressive, however I can't confirm that.

For classical things get easier in bass department but because nice quality symphony recordings combine a lot of instruments at once, the number one thing that matters to me is clear separation between highs, mids and lows. The quality of reproduction does matter too but I found out that any descent headphone set will sound pretty close on actual accuracy, it's usually the separation that differs them the most.

I am still looking into some of your guys' suggestions so I haven't picked anything yet. Thanks for help though.

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Liquid Shadow Oct 21, 2009, 01:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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My friend you are wrong about Shure. I have owned the Shure E2C for years, amazing bass. Remember, in the audio business, size doesn't matter ;)



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That defies the laws of physics. For low frequency sound, the driver radius has to be bigger. The bigger the radius, the clearer the bass.

Hoffman's Iron Law (the efficiency of a woofer system is directly proportional to its cabinet volume and to the cube of its cutoff frequency) applies to subwoofers just as to all loudspeakers.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subwoofer

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kOrny Oct 21, 2009, 02:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I don't think headphones have subwoofers. I think the low pitches/bass are produced differently.

LEntless Oct 21, 2009, 02:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I would imagine. You can get earbuds (that cost a lot), but have great frequency balance.

http://www.jpleisure.co.uk/SENNHEISER.gif

That is what my Sennheiser logo looks like on my headset (the S forms around the box border).

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I see. Thank you for that LEntless, this mus be legit then lol. I got them for a tremendously good price so I can't complain much but I think I'll have to agree with soviet about size here, since my previous HP earbuds where bigger and to me the bass sounded fuller and deeper.

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I do have one question to anyone who knows. How far should the earbuds go into my ear? Should they be deep in my ear canal? Cause I held the Senheissers CX300 pushed with both my fingers fairly deep and I got great outside noise cancellation and the bass started to shine while they were in this position. I don't have too much experience with these earbuds but I'm thinking I should try the small sized (currently using large) gummy adjuster and cram them into my ear canal? Is this safe? :~

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Mike Metier Oct 21, 2009, 05:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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sovietdoc said:
Why not try one of the Shure's IEMs

1. I don't trust them because their drivers are so small, they cannot possibly have nice bass.
2. I hate phones of that type :)

The 2 major types of music I listen to are DJ mixes (with a lot of bassy stuff) and classical.

For all my DJ'ing stuffs I care about nice bass and that's one of the reasons to pay a nice sum for headphones. Cheap ones have crap bass, more expensive ones do have it better but it depends on a specific set. I some ppl said HDJ's bass wasn't that impressive, however I can't confirm that.

For classical things get easier in bass department but because nice quality symphony recordings combine a lot of instruments at once, the number one thing that matters to me is clear separation between highs, mids and lows. The quality of reproduction does matter too but I found out that any descent headphone set will sound pretty close on actual accuracy, it's usually the separation that differs them the most.

I am still looking into some of your guys' suggestions so I haven't picked anything yet. Thanks for help though.

Dude i listen to benassi, deadmua5, daft punk, justice, mstrkrft, tiesto and the sr325s sound better than any headphone i have ever listened to. If you have a high-end sound shop that does like home theators or anything sound related, call em up and they might have some so you can listen for yourself.

"The retro design makes these headphones look like they'd be more at home reproducing Mozart than pumping out Jay-Z. But looks can be deceiving: The cans churn out unrivaled sonics no matter what's sent through them. They produce strong, accurate bass, warm and natural mids, and crisp clean highs with almost no tonal coloration. They're impressively lightweight..."
Chuck Tannert / Penthouse magazine

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Okay, with all the suggestions here I decided to run around town a little bit and just find places with different headphones to try out.

I've tried Grado 325is, sennheiser hd 600, shure se115, pioneer hdj-2000, akg 702 and sony mdr7509.

First impression with grados is the amazing resolution and soundstage you get (assuming the recording is high quality). I was actually like "no way any phones can sound a lot better than my speakers." Even though they seemed to highlight the highs a little too much for my liking, I must say, I was impressed.

Sennheiser hd600's turned out to be more comfortable but the sound just didn't feel as crisp as grados.

To people who say "shures got bass" ...aaaa no. Listening to bach's organ recordings clearly flattens out the bass and loses the low-mids on se115's. I know they're not the best set Shure has out but I couldn't find anything else. There is no comparison at all between these vs. grado/sennheiser. Although I can see people picking them up because they're portable, but mobility is not my concern.

Akg actually sounded better than sony's even sony's seemed a lot more "transparent", however both kits didn't sound as good in the "soundstage" department. It just didn't feel like I am immersed in music. Though for their price, I must say the sound quality was excellent.

I couldn't find HDJ's anywhere so I had to drive to a small DJ shop like 50 miles away just to try them. First impression when you hold the kit in your hands is durability. Omg I've never seen headphones made as good as Apple Macbook Pro's (those do have good built quality though, even though I kinda hate apple). The guy in the store said you can throw them, bend them do whatever you want and they don't ever break. Well...maybe.
Sound quality didn't disappoint that much. The music surrounding soundstage was good but not as good compared to grados. The bass was a lot better though, listening to the same organ recordings it revealed a lot more detail than any other set, while not making it "boomy" at all. Mid's were "meh" but they were well balanced with high's and bass.

I liked the hdj's a lot because he sound quality was almost as good as grados but the build quality and the lower price kinda won it there for me. All these things are pretty expensive and I wanna buy something that will last. I actually would pick up grados because they're just unbelievable when you listen to them but the problem is, they're too quiet with the zune as they pretty much require an amp. If it wasn't for that it would be a touch decision between them and hdj's.

P.S. If you care about good sound, whatever you do, listen to Grados 325is or RS-1. You will go "omgwowowowow."

All these headphones put my PC and Home Theater speakers to shame.


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mothow Oct 23, 2009, 06:29pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I just buy cheap $25 to $35 headphone's and i stick with Plantronic's so far so good for me

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