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Reason   Oct 23, 2009, 10:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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From what I've read, if you get a OEM or System Builder's licence, there will be hard limits on installing it on subsequent builds.

Does anyone know if Microsoft intends to allow reinstalls with their permission, along the lines of calling them to reactivate XP after a nuke and pave?

I'd like to save $80 on Home Premium but I seriously doubt I'll only install it on one build, so if I have to buy a second copy that's a false economy.


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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
I was wondering the same thing too. I was hoping to be able to install it on my laptop as well as my desktop. Anybody heard anything yet?

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Edited: Oct 23, 2009, 11:02pm EDT

 
>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
I thought you could only install it once unless you got the pack that has 3 copys & lets you install it on 3 computers.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116757

This OEM System Builder Channel software requires the assembler to provide end user support for the Windows software and cannot be transferred to another computer once it is installed.


Could be wrong. I hope so...

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Edited: Oct 24, 2009, 01:10am EDT

 
>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
Well, I remember with the first builds of Vista OEM, the customer didn't get the installation disk when the computer was delivered. As a system builder, you had to get the system disk, and all the versions of Vista were on it, and the licence 'key' controlled which version installed. Later on the policy must have changed as customers did get the OS disk.

We have just had theWIN 7 64 bit OEM Ultimate, and the OS disk is included.

As an OEM builder, you are aware that the licence goes with the machine.
If the disk dies, and you reinstall an OEM licence, you used to have to fast talk it through to verify it with MS (otherwise you got that 'can only use for 28 days message")
I would immagine that it would be the same for the new WIN7 OS.

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Edited: Oct 24, 2009, 08:20am EDT

 
>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once

I'm not quite sure about this.. but would your IP not clarify the network of computers,
hence allowing multiple usage of OS?



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My understanding is that it creates a unique key based on the hardware present at install, and changing the hardware too much (ie replacing the motherboard or boot drive) changes that key so that the serial attached to the OS can't be used with it.

The quote that k0rny pulled from Newegg, to me, says that we won't be able to do what Jules says, ie, call MS and say please can I use this one again. I'm just hoping someone has heard different, or can at least confirm for sure that no, you can't do it.

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Edited: Oct 24, 2009, 11:11am EDT

 
>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
Hmmm, just found this:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/174288/windows_7_upgrade_made_c...k=rss_news
which includes a link to show users how to use the upgrade version for a clean install.

Direct link:
http://community.winsupersite.com/blogs/paul/archive/2009/10/2...nswer.aspx

Copy/paste from direct link:
Put simply, the goal here is to clean install Windows 7 on a virgin, unused PC. You can boot and run Setup with the Upgrade media for Windows 7, but when you go to activate, it won't work.

Thanks to Kevin Fisher and a bit of testing, I have a simple workaround that does work.

After performing the clean install, ensure that there are no Windows Updates pending that would require a system reboot. (You'll see an orange shield icon next to Shutdown in the Start Menu if this is the case).

Then, open regedit.exe with Start Menu Search and navigate to:

HKLM/Software/Microsoft/Windows/CurrentVersion/Setup/OOBE/

Change MediaBootInstall from "1" to "0".

Open the Start Menu again and type cmd to display a shortcut to the Command Line utility. Right-click this shortcut and choose "Run as administrator." Handle the UAC prompt.

In the command line window, type: slmgr /rearm

Then tap ENTER, close the command line window and reboot. When Windows 7 reboots, run the Activate Windows utility, type in your product key and activate windows.

Voila!


My only concern here is MS's take on the validity of this method, ie, are they going to kill it with a future update. Seems like they would have already if they thought it would be a problem, but who knows.

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TamTheBam Oct 24, 2009, 07:16pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once

Rest assured, if you install Vista or Win7, then a few month later replace your MoBo,
the License key will fail, but you can call MS and get them to reactivate the key for you.
I done this. I made sure by saying my MotherBoard clapped out and I purchased
a completely different MoBo. It took less than 5 mins. This happened way back in
July 07. Make sure you clarify the Hardware was damaged and needed to be replaced
just for safe measure!!!



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Jules Oct 25, 2009, 01:50am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Rest assured, if you install Vista or Win7, then a few month later replace your MoBo,
the License key will fail, but you can call MS and get them to reactivate the key for you.
I done this. I made sure by saying my MotherBoard clapped out and I purchased
a completely different MoBo. It took less than 5 mins. This happened way back in
July 07. Make sure you clarify the Hardware was damaged and needed to be replaced
just for safe measure!!!

Yes, well I do this when HDD's fail and I have to restore the OS. And yes, you say 'My HDD failed" and I need to re-activate the key on this machine.
However, if you cheat, and install it on another system, then eventually you get the dreaded message " Your Licence is counterfeit" - or something like that. And you are prevented from getting windows updates.

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Plug & Play Oct 25, 2009, 09:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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No way...its simply not worth the hassle. I can get it OEM for €99 or retail for €150. The luck I have with hardware I would need a direct line to microsoft...lmao.

Btw,

Is their a region limit on win 7 as in if I buy it in the US it should be fine aslong as I select the correct region upon install.

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GtoX (capt Guns) Oct 25, 2009, 10:46am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
ok guys, im confused.. can someone here tell me which version im supposed to get??

im thinkin of getting Home Premium.. now i know i usually switch out the motherboards every now and then, but im wondering, do i get the OEM or the Retail version?

and i dont mind calling in and sayin my HDD or mobo crapped out to get a new activation in case i switch out some parts.. i just need to know which version im supposed to get?

help me clarify this..

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Edited: Oct 25, 2009, 11:35am EDT

 
>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once

What do you want to do with Win7? Have networks working with it? If so, then Ultimate.
If you're not bothered abut that, then Win7 Home Premium. What OS you got just now?
I got the OEM just doesn't have all the usual crap that comes with Retail.

My Vista Home Premium was also OEM. I didn't need Ultimate because I don't have
any networks or sharing centres, so it was just a complete waste of money plus it
was half the price - almost. Both the OS's play my games, and do everything else I want
it to do so they are sweet for me!





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GtoX (capt Guns) Oct 25, 2009, 11:54am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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TamTheBam said:

What do you want to do with Win7? Have networks working with it? If so, then Ultimate.
If you're not bothered abut that, then Win7 Home Premium. What OS you got just now?
I got the OEM just doesn't have all the usual crap that comes with Retail.

My Vista Home Premium was also OEM. I didn't need Ultimate because I don't have
any networks or sharing centres, so it was just a complete waste of money plus it
was half the price - almost. Both the OS's play my games, and do everything else I want
it to do so they are sweet for me!




Nah i know i want Windows Home premium.. i just dont know which version to get: OEM or Retail? whats the difference? i want to have the option of running that OS on my newer builds, even if it would require me to call in and say my HDD crapped out or something.. OEM or Retail? and whats the difference between the 2.. simple answer, no wikipedia please :(

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GtoX, that's pretty much my question. As far as I can tell, the difference between OEM and retail is price and the ability to install on more than one machine.

As far as Home Premium vs Ultimate goes, HP has an upper RAM limit of 16GB, while Ultimate limits it to 192 GB. I really dislike the idea of an artificial limit like that but on the other hand, I'm not sure if I'll need more than that.

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cant say ill need more than 8 gb at this moment, but im total satisfied with 4...

ok.. so retail does allow you to install on more machines? oem doesnt? or it does, but u'd have to call in and pull the harddrive story to be able to activate it again? cause if thats the case, then ill get the oem version..

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GtoX (capt Guns) said:
oem doesnt? or it does, but u'd have to call in and pull the harddrive story to be able to activate it again?

Well, Tam says it does, and I think Jules agrees. Nothing against you guys, I'd like to hear it from the horse's mouth, although I suspect MS isn't going to advertise it if you can do it.

If you're going to go OEM, might as well get Ultimate, it's less than HP Retail.

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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
well, if any of u guys know if its possible to install win 7 on more machines later on with new motherboard etc etc, come here and post the details asap!

i just dont feel like dishing out x amount of cash for something thats only gonna work with 1 system, seeing that i always upgrade my stuff

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I mean i've installed the same XP disc on like 100 computers and never had a problem. If it's anything like that I think we'll be fine. I'm sure security for this sort of thing is stronger now though.

Was anyone able to install Vista on more than one computer?

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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
Well my OEM Windows Vista Home Premium didn't activate when I changed the
Motherboard. It is linked to the Motherboard during installation. I'd swapped HDD's
before replacement of MoBo and experienced no problems at all. I was also told by
MS that the current Motherboard of the system IS linked to the OS.

I have not seen any form of advertisement with regards to calling MS for problems with
a new Motherboard. All I done was used some common sense, googled MS support
number and called them. There was no danger I was letting MS get away with activation
problems with my new Motherboard. Once you activate your OS online, details of your
IP address, location, everything will be stored in MS data base. They also said that
if i tried to use the serial with the other motherboard again it would not work (if the motherboard)
was indeed still working.
So basically, the OS no longer ties in with my Old motherboard, and is now
tied into the new motherboard. And they will know if you are taking the p**s.
They gave me a new code to enter into the activation - different - but it's still
related to the original serial key of my vista disk.


To wit: Calling MS with your current dilema and presenting the truthful facts,
no one not even MS can argue against it. No one piece of Hardware
is indispensable. They do have the proof of details when you give them
your information. If I tried to say it was for another MoBo (but for another
system) it wouldn't have worked.

You are hearing it from the horses mouth! Been there. Done that. Why would MS
refuse?



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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
k0rny said:
I mean i've installed the same XP disc on like 100 computers and never had a problem. If it's anything like that I think we'll be fine. I'm sure security for this sort of thing is stronger now though.

Was anyone able to install Vista on more than one computer?


Korny, XP is in a completely different league on from Vista and Win7.
Forget about the comparisons of XP to Vista and Win7. The security's completely
different and more complex.



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>> Re: Using Windows 7 OEM SB more than once
TamTheBam said:
To wit: Calling MS with your current dilema and presenting the truthful facts,
no one not even MS can argue against it. No one piece of Hardware
is indispensable. They do have the proof of details when you give them
your information. If I tried to say it was for another MoBo (but for another
system) it wouldn't have worked.

You are hearing it from the horses mouth! Been there. Done that. Why would MS
refuse?

My concern is that the difference is in the licensing. My understanding is that OEM licensing is for one machine only. If it gets hosed, too bad, so sad, get your wallet out again. Obviously you can only use a serial on one PC at a time, even for retail. But there's no doubt in my mind that MS would let you do what you say above for retail. I'm just not sure about the OEM. That's a good idea, though, maybe I'll ask them.

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