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TamTheBam Nov 12, 2009, 10:22am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Nov 14, 2009, 11:36am EST

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My parents wanted Win7. So I ordered them the Win7 OEM for their 64Bit system.
Now, I've posted a link about this problem before - with regards to Vista - which
I'm about to explain.

About a year and a half ago, I built a 64Bit system for my parents.

Rough Specs are as follows:

E6600 Core Duo
Asus P5W Deluxe MoBo
2x1GB OCZ PC6400 Ram
8500GT GFX Card
Onboard Sound
80GB Maxtor HDD
and today an additional 320GB WD Harddrive - which'll now be the master drive
for Windows7 OEM
and finally a Sony DVD+RW Drive

Ok, so back in April 2008ish I posted a problem with regards to Vista.
It would not install. It would get to the page of installation, and just stay like that
for as long as I'd let it. I tried various methods. An example was to use my Pioneer
DVD drive in their machine and boot from that, and no use. Made sure the SATA HDD
cables were connected (and the jumper was on master for the DVD drives.)

I got a tad p**sed off, so decided to install XP again for them and VOILA it installed???
Weird!

So today, I just removed the 80GB HDD with WinXP on it, and in it's place fit in the
320GB Western Digital - hoping it would install since we have a new HDD with
masses of room (I did take into consideration the size of the 80GB space and thinking
maybe this was the reason Vista did not install back in that time) and to no avail...
the same problem. Here's what happens:

BIOS reset to factory settings:
Boot from Win7 Disk
Windows installs basic files with the white line at the bottom.

Then one of 2 things happens:

I'll see the green bar at the bottom scrolling.. and leave for as long as I like and nothing
Or
I'll see the fancy Win7 logo pulsing in my face, and leave for ever and nothing happens.

The DVD Drive has no flashing green light whilst it's on this process.

I'm baffled. Can't figure anything or come to a reasonable conclusion.

Anyone have any idea what can be going on here?


Tam


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McFly Nov 12, 2009, 11:06am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Major Dilema Installing Win7 OEM
Well, it could be any number of things. My standby method for things like that is to remove all non-essential hardware (including external devices, USB, etc.), and just try to install with 1 memory module, 1 harddrive, 1 optical drive, etc. Remove the sound card and everything else that isn't required for installation.


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TamTheBam Nov 12, 2009, 11:31am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Aye, but why's XP installing perfectly fine? I can't get my head around that?! I've checked BIOS and all's ok.

TamTheBam Nov 12, 2009, 11:38am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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This may sound like an amateur/n00bish question....
But what if i disconnected my harddrives from my system, connect their blank HDD and install windows that way, then once installed plug it back into their system. I have an asus board, so do they, so there shouldn't really be too much of an issuse? I done it with a new asus board i had a while back. Wot u think?

~Vel Nov 12, 2009, 11:55am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Nov 12, 2009, 11:57am EST

 
>> Re: Major Dilema Installing Win7 OEM
Sounds like a fooking headache. It could be that it doesn't like your motherboard for some reason (since Vista and 7 use the same drivers basically, but not the same as XP). I say motherboard because you've swapped the optical drive when it seemed to be stalling, and XP works just fine on the hard drive & everything else, so I would rule out bad blocks or RAM. A quick google of 'asus p5w deluxe vista' shows a couple of links of people having similar issues.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/244844-30-help-asus-vista

http://support.asus.com/faq/faq.aspx?no=653B53B7-4491-F34D-EC6...uage=en-us

After seeing that second link I would suggest to swap in an IDE optical drive and throw in only one stick of RAM during the installation to be on the safe side. If that doesn't work I'd probably bite the bullet and buy a new mobo and see how that goes.


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~Vel (69519) said on Nov 12, 2009 at 08:55am PST:
After seeing that second link I would suggest to swap in an IDE optical drive

I've had troubles with SATA optical drives in the past, but he said he set the optical drive to master, so I think he already has an IDE optical drive. If Tam's setting master jumpers on a SATA DVD drive, well ... that sounds like Tam, actually.


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~Vel Nov 12, 2009, 12:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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lol, this line could go either way.

Made sure the SATA cables were connected (and the jumper was on master for the DVD drives.)

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Edited: Nov 12, 2009, 01:16pm EST

 
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McFly said:
~Vel (69519) said on Nov 12, 2009 at 08:55am PST:
After seeing that second link I would suggest to swap in an IDE optical drive

I've had troubles with SATA optical drives in the past, but he said he set the optical drive to master, so I think he already has an IDE optical drive. If Tam's setting master jumpers on a SATA DVD drive, well ... that sounds like Tam, actually.


LOL! Slap!

NO! My parents have an IDE. The reason I pointed this out, is that I thought this'd be
the FIRST THING folks would ask me if I did this duh!
The SATA's are the HDD's. I was more or less focusing on the IDE DVD Drives at that
point.

Anyways, I'm f**kin well p**sed now at this situation. The P5W board I already owned.
I passed it onto them. I had VISTA installed on this when I had. So wtf's the problem?

If you look on my profile, you'll see I had Vista installed for the P5W Deluxe when I had it.
Also I edited my original post to resolve all the sata confusion lol.

~Vel Nov 12, 2009, 01:22pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well, I guess just swap out everything you can think of, this is just bizarre.

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>> Re: Major Dilema Installing Win7 OEM

Bizarre's the tip of the iceberg mate.
Win7 still not installed. But check this, there's no progress at all with installation, unless
I eject the disk, then close, and then the next step of the installment continues.
W
T
F???

~Vel Nov 12, 2009, 04:49pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Uhhh. What. ... Then I'm definitely thinking it's something jacked up with the mobo and the O.S. If that optical drive works just fine on another computer, or as you said, another O.S. I would seriously just swap everything starting with the mobo.

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TamTheBam Nov 12, 2009, 04:53pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I can't even install Win7 from XP to another drive. I'm not that clued up on Win7 tbh.
But come on, I'm installing only to anothe HDD location. I updated the BIOS to
latest too to see if that'd resolve the issue but nil.
I might email ASUS and get a reply in 2013 or something.....

~Vel Nov 12, 2009, 05:02pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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:/ I don't know what else to say.

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>> Re: Major Dilema Installing Win7 OEM

At least you've offered suggestions of help! I appreciate that! :cool:

Kieran B Nov 12, 2009, 05:40pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Tam, take their hdd out and chuck it in ur pc and install a bareload of Windows on that. no drivers obvuisly, then chuck it back in theirs.

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G. G. Nov 12, 2009, 05:51pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Dang TAM..... That stuff is bugger'd up....

I have two Win 7 installed on two system in my household.... and both are way older than your parent's hardware spec.

Both system installed Win 7 without any problems at all..

The first system is a Socket 478 Gigabyte mb with 1GB DDR400 and a AGP video (AIW X800XT) and P4 3.2 Northwood. Also, it has an IDE optical and SATA HDD.

The second system is a HP Laptop NC6220 with Pentium M 1.87ghz, 160gb hdd ide, and the usual stuff of that era.....

Again... both installed Win7 Enterprise without a hitch....

So that is why it is puzzling to see your parents more updated hardware not being able to install Win 7.


The only suggestion I would give at this point is to take your blank hdd and your copy of OEM Win7 to a different system and see if it will load..... Then find a different disc that is know to work..... and try it on your parent's hardware. This will see where the common error is.... hardware or the Win 7 disc.

Also, if the optical that is being used is IDE.... then obviously it needs to have the jumper set to master.... If the primary hdd is a sata... make sure it is plugged into the sata port that is considered master. If the optical is a sata, then it too needs to be plugged into a sata port that is considered master... I have noticed that on my current main system, in bios, the mb sata port actually will be labled'd master or slave. example.... port 0 master and port 1 slave, port 2 master and port 3 slave.... and so on...... might be something to try...



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G. G. Nov 12, 2009, 05:56pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Kieran B said:
Tam, take their hdd out and chuck it in ur pc and install a bareload of Windows on that. no drivers obvuisly, then chuck it back in theirs.



that may or may not work Kieran... it might be just as bad as not being able to install it... remember... during Win7 install, the OS identifies all the hardware it sees and configures it all throughout its OS.. i.e. registries, device manager, Window services.... Now if you put that hdd into another different system...... it will go through all that reconfiguration and it will bounce like a pig several times to discover new hardware..... even if it is able to do it all.... do you really want to run that system with that particular load since it will have traces of stuff from the previous system... heck... it may lead to weird problems down the road......

It's not like installing it on one particular hardware and then moving to another system with the same exact hardware.... it will still go through rediscovery (i.e. different Mac ids, hardware with different rev level.... and all) but not totally different hardware...


just a thought,,,,

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G. G. said:
Dang TAM..... That stuff is bugger'd up....

I have two Win 7 installed on two system in my household.... and both are way older than your parent's hardware spec.

Both system installed Win 7 without any problems at all..

The first system is a Socket 478 Gigabyte mb with 1GB DDR400 and a AGP video (AIW X800XT) and P4 3.2 Northwood. Also, it has an IDE optical and SATA HDD.

The second system is a HP Laptop NC6220 with Pentium M 1.87ghz, 160gb hdd ide, and the usual stuff of that era.....

Again... both installed Win7 Enterprise without a hitch....

So that is why it is puzzling to see your parents more updated hardware not being able to install Win 7.


The only suggestion I would give at this point is to take your blank hdd and your copy of OEM Win7 to a different system and see if it will load..... Then find a different disc that is know to work..... and try it on your parent's hardware. This will see where the common error is.... hardware or the Win 7 disc.

Also, if the optical that is being used is IDE.... then obviously it needs to have the jumper set to master.... If the primary hdd is a sata... make sure it is plugged into the sata port that is considered master. If the optical is a sata, then it too needs to be plugged into a sata port that is considered master... I have noticed that on my current main system, in bios, the mb sata port actually will be labled'd master or slave. example.... port 0 master and port 1 slave, port 2 master and port 3 slave.... and so on...... might be something to try...




What puzzles me big time, is the Asus P5W MoBo used to be mine! I had Vista Ultimate
installed on it!! I can only install XP on it now. What could possibly go wrong on the
mobo to prevent an OS installation?

The HDD Sata's are all set up correct, and in the Sata1, Sata2 respectively.
As for the IDE CD/DVD Drives, the master is set, and slave also.

I also grabbed the new HDD, put it in mine (disconnected my HDD's) and installed
Win7 on the blank HDD. Installed a treat. Then took out right after installation,
and fixed back into my parents system, booted up and asking for boot media?!!!!
Bizarre!

I've tried just about every method out there, and nothing.

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That is true G.G but there is a good chance it will work. Tam, do you have a 8GB+ size flash drive? You can install Windows from that and try.

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Is there any option in the BIOS to change? Virtualization? I can't think of what else there could be. RAID options? SATA Options. Try something :P

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Kieran B said:
That is true G.G but there is a good chance it will work. Tam, do you have a 8GB+ size flash drive? You can install Windows from that and try.


I sure do have an 8GB mem stick, but Plug's got it, and he's now off to
Disney World (he'll feel at home) so it'll be weeks before I get it back.
I have an external Drive that I have created an image file of Win7


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