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McFly Jan 07, 2010, 02:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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As many of you here already know, I've been planning to buy an HP EliteBook for months now. In particular, I've been eyeballing the 6930p. The main thing I disliked about it is that the LED-backlit screen is only available in 1280x800.

So I was sure happy today to hear about the HP EliteBook line product refresh, with 3 or 4 new EliteBook models being introduced. Surely they'd have a new 14.1" 1440x900 LED-backlit screen in there somewhere?

And so, imagine my surprise to find out that all of the new EliteBooks come with 16:9 screens (wtf) and 'chiclet' style keyboards (ala MacBook). What is with all this consumer-oriented crap on so-called 'business' laptops?! I'm surprised they didn't throw in the glossy screen and an iTunes gift card!



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Dr. Peaceful Jan 07, 2010, 03:53pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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HP has marbles? :O

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Kieran B Jan 07, 2010, 03:57pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I would never buy anything HP, 'elite' or not.

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Nathan Daniels Jan 07, 2010, 04:09pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I wasn't aware 16:9 was undesirable to business users.

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Nathan Daniels said:
I wasn't aware 16:9 was undesirable to business users.



Its generally just undesirable IMO

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LEntless Jan 07, 2010, 04:47pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Well, it is a laptop. ;)

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Vitaliy (Administrator) Jan 07, 2010, 05:29pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I was just looking for a 4:3 1600x1200 LCD monitor and those things are impossible to find for a reasonable amount of money. So much for progress in technology..

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Vitaliy (Administrator) said:
I was just looking for a 4:3 1600x1200 LCD monitor and those things are impossible to find for a reasonable amount of money. So much for progress in technology..



I know. You'd need a CRT I think to get one for a decent price.

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G. G. Jan 07, 2010, 06:15pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yo McFly,

um... where are you getting 16:9 screens ??? So far from the new specs (which is not quite finalized), I dont see any mentioned about 16:9 ratio... hmmm must be missing it some where.

Is that 16:9 ratio you are refering to because of the resolution available for the EliteBook? For example... 1920x1200 is a 16:10 ratio screen size.... so does a 1920x1080 a 16:9 ratio ???

EliteBook 8440p spec pdf - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/product_pdfs/HP_...asheet.pdf

states --> 14.0-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD7 anti-glare (1366 x 768), 14.0-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+7 anti-glare (1600 x 900)


EliteBook 8440w spec pdf - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/product_pdfs/HP_...asheet.pdf

states --> 14.0-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD7 anti-glare (1366 x 768), 14.0-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+7 anti-glare (1600 x 900)


EliteBook 8540p spec pdf - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/product_pdfs/HP_...asheet.pdf

states --> 15.6-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD anti-glare (1366 x 768), 15.6-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+ anti-glare (1600 x 900)


EliteBook 8540w spec pdf - http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/pscmisc/vac/us/product_pdfs/HP_...asheet.pdf

states --> 15.6-inch diagonal LED-backlit HD+1 anti-glare (1600 x 900), 15.6-inch diagonal LED-backlit FHD1 anti-glare (1920 x 1080)


So it looks like there are three resolution sizes depending on if you get the 14" or 15"

1366 x 768
1600 x 900
1920 x 1080

Ok..... after looking at the resolution as I write this post...... it does seem that these resolution are in 16:9 format..... :/



I particularly dont like 16:9 format to be used with computers..... prefer 16:10 for the realstate... But I guess as time goes on... The screen format may be looking to be more standard'rizzzzeeeee.... due to TV' and movies.......

but hey.... it is what it is.....


Go for the 15" vs the original 14" to get back some of the physical vertical area loss due to 16:9 format vs the 16:10 format...

oh well...

p.s. - guess I answered my own question in regards to res to format relationship... lol


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k0rny Jan 07, 2010, 07:54pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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wait. whats wrong with 16:9? its like the new standard for everything. only makes sense to have a native 16:9 res.

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G. G. Jan 07, 2010, 08:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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k0rny said:
wait. whats wrong with 16:9? its like the new standard for everything. only makes sense to have a native 16:9 res.



There's nothing wrong with 16:9........... if your primary viewing is going to be movies...

But for computer use (sans movies)... realstate is more important with a 16:10 format.

it doesnt seem much... but the next time you are a an electronic store.... go to the computer monitor section and take a look at, side by side, a 24" 1920x1200 (16:10) vs a 24" 1920x1080 (16:9).... you'll see that the 16:9 monitor will look squished for data usage.


55" at 16:9 is perfect

24" and below 16:9 looks squished.....

For me, I prefer a 16:10 when it comes to computers...

others... it may or may not matter...



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Nathan Daniels Jan 07, 2010, 08:11pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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k0rny said:
wait. whats wrong with 16:9? its like the new standard for everything. only makes sense to have a native 16:9 res.


Ditto.

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G. G. said:
k0rny said:
wait. whats wrong with 16:9? its like the new standard for everything. only makes sense to have a native 16:9 res.


it doesnt seem much... but the next time you are a an electronic store.... go to the computer monitor section and take a look at, side by side, a 24" 1920x1200 (16:10) vs a 24" 1920x1080 (16:9).... you'll see that the 16:9 monitor will look squished for data usage.

I have to disagree. Yeah obviously when you compare the two, 16:9 is going to look squished because it has less vertical pixels. My brother and mom have a 16:10 monitor while I have a 16:9. 16:9 looks more 'real' to me. 16:10 is unnecessary unless maybe while gaming or need more space for office/media creation productivity, but even then I personally would prefer a 16:9 res.

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G. G. Jan 07, 2010, 10:35pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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k0rny said:
16:9 looks more 'real' to me. 16:10 is unnecessary unless maybe while gaming or need more space for office/media creation productivity, but even then I personally would prefer a 16:9 res.



Looks more 'real' as in how? The icons and stuff all look the same in either format. The only difference is in the lesser desktop space of a 16:9 vs the 16:10 and the amount of black bars when viewing HDTV content or movies. So I am missing your interpretation of the word 'real'.

To me... the only 'real' area where 16:9 comes into play is when you are watching movies or HDTV broadcast. But the movies has be formated "enhanced" for usage with 16:9 = 1.78 ratio in order for there to be no black bars at the top and bottom. Oh... 16:9 is the standard size for HD broadcast and hence no black bars.

But.... movies are filmed in several different sizes/ratio. ... i.e. 1.85:1, 2.39:1, 2.75:1 and so forth... so sizes other than the standard 1.78 (16:9) will contain black bars at top or bottom anyways...

as I already mention... There's nothing wrong with 16:9 and " I prefer " (as well as you) hence we have choices.




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k0rny Jan 07, 2010, 11:04pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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real like thats how the screen should b proportioned. i duno lol

ya nothing against 16:10 tho

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Chad Mcaulay Jan 08, 2010, 01:08pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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LEntless said:
Well, it is a laptop. ;)

The only good PC is a custom built one- it's your's. You made it.



Agreed. I have, however, had good luck with Toshiba laptops.

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McFly Jan 08, 2010, 01:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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LEntless
The only good PC is a custom built one- it's your's. You made it.

Well, almost. You assembled it. Not quite the same thing. You did get the pick your combination of parts, though.

Even with a laptop, I can customize it to some degree before buying it (CPU, GPU, etc). And I can always upgrade the memory and hard drive. Sure, it's nothing next to the customization available on a desktop, but it's something.

Right now, I'm much more into being able to take my computer anywhere I want more than gaming. As long as I can rock the noobs at UT2004, I'm happy.


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McFly,

Have you taken the EliteBook off your list?

if not and it is still a consideration....

and if you can swing it... i'd go for the 15" screen to compensate for the bit of loss in vertical space loss in a 16:9 vs a 16:10 screen.

Then at least you have the choice of the 1600x900 or 1920x1080, which is higher than your mentioned 1440x900 res.

well.... the 14" does have the 1600x900 res.



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My little laptop's got an 18.4" widescreen at a res of 1920x1080 (Full HD) 16:9, so just perfect for the internal Blu-ray drive. :_)

Suppose it depends what you want your machine for? i watch movies and listen to music so this looks great IMO. :D

I do hope you get what you're lookin' for McFly as you've been on the hunt for a while now - have you got all the funding in place?

:)

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Ecosse Jan 08, 2010, 06:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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G. G. said:
Yo McFly,

so does a 1920x1080 a 16:9 ratio ???


In a word, Yes - 1920x1080 is mathamatically 16:9, see below:

1920 divided by 16 = 120

120 x 9 = 1080

Hence 16:9 - all mathematics really.

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McFly Jan 08, 2010, 06:19pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Ecosse,
The funding is actually coming along pretty good. :)

G. G.,
The new EliteBook's are off my list. I can't stand chiclet keyboards. The only one I'm considering now is the "first-gen" 6930p which I have been looking at, but it's either 1280x800 LED-backlit or 1400x900 CCFL-backlit.

Still in the running is the Dell Latitude E6400 and now the new ThinkPad T410.


As for the math, just divide your width by your height.

1440/900 = 1.6
1920/1200 = 1.6
1280/800 = 1.6 = 16/10 = 16:10

1920/1080 = 1.77... = 16/9 = 16:9


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