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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 17, 2010, 03:10pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Whoa! Well, I was cruising for some Creative news since I was listening to some music and adjusting my 24-bit crystalizer values and I thought, where the hell is creative? I haven't read any news about them since that multimedia chip they were making.


Then I searched and found this old news:
http://www.creative.com/corporate/pressroom/releases/welcome.asp?pid=13137

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD
The Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD is powered by the second-generation Creative X-Fi Xtreme Fidelity audio processor for PCI Express slots. The Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Titanium HD combines captivating industrial design with audiophile grade Digital to Analog Converters (DACs) and components to produce a 122dB signal-to-noise ratio, the highest SNR ever produced by a Creative sound card. A replaceable Op-amp is also a distinguishing feature allowing users to customise audio output with colouration that is refined to their personal tastes...


Read on, there's a lot more about the product and a lot of specification which I do not understand. So, can some audiophile tell me/us if this is actually a better soundcard or just one with some new thx feature?

I believe the replaceable Op-amp will be good for those who know what the hell it is lol.

*EDIT*
he news are from january but I haven't seen it sold anywhere.


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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
300 bucks? wtf its pretty much the same thing as forte or it's equivs..

122db is slightly better analog audio quality than forte or current x-fi cards (theyre at 109db)
replaceable op-amps...zo noes...forte/prelude always had that capability
115db headphone out - exactly the same for both cards
x-fi 20k2 SPU - same for both cards
eax 5.0 - useless for anything above vista because it doesnt work, but then again, the same on both
DD/DTS encoding - same for both

Now, let's break down THX features

THX TruStudio PC Surround - Exact same thing as current X-Fi CMSS 3D except different name

THX TruStudio PC Crystalizer - exactly the same as 24-bit crystallizer

THX TruStudio PC Speaker - useless bass emulation for people with no decent headphones/subwoofer

THX TruStudio PC Dialog Plus - exact same thing as current Dolby Digital Pro Logic 2 Emulation

THX TruStudio PC Smart Volume - Same thing as current Smart Volume Manager on any x-fi/auzentech card

Price 300 bucks vs 120 for Forte 7.1 <---- I lol'd

Bottom line is, creative is doing exact same thing as they've always done best. Let's take an old-ass product and rebrand it while upping the price by 200%.

The new card offers ABSOLUTELY nothing new besides a better dac for those who aren't using DDL/DTS Connect, so that at least on paper it competes with ASUS Xonar. All other technologies are left untouched as the x-fi chip still remains in it's second revision. And all the technologies have been renamed to "THX" and all stickers with x-fi will have an additional "HD" logo slapped on the side. The card will sound better than the current offerings because of the upped dac, but while offering nothing new and costing more than double, compared to current offerings, it still stands as a perfect example of Creative doing what it does best.

Re-branding.

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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 19, 2010, 12:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Awesome, thanks for that soviet, you explained it perfectly. I was a bit skeptical on how much could a sound card improve, to be honest I can't imagine sound cards improving to a whole other level like when the X-Fi's arrives, even then it wasn't a huge jump.

To me it would be exciting if there was a huge leap like with video cards, but I guess sound can only be improved so much.

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Bungle Apr 19, 2010, 12:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
I kind of think that sound on the PC has reached the point of diminishing returns... The hardware has reached the point where there is virtually no descernable difference from one generation to the next. Money on a sound card would probably be better invested in better speakers.

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alex a Apr 19, 2010, 03:07pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Just got done talking to few ppl in head-fi and we concluded that to actually hear any difference in analog mode with the "new" x-fi HD vs the old one, you'd need about 700+ dollar home theater speaker system. So again, kinda useless for 99.9% of all gamers. And when you start talking about that kind of money for listening to music why not just use the regular old receiver? They're silent compared to a PC and offer a lot better sound quality than any soundcard....lol

I'ma wait till x-fi hd comes out and as soon as someone here puts it in their sig I'll laugh in their face :)

~Vel Apr 19, 2010, 03:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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MrBungle said:
I kind of think that sound on the PC has reached the point of diminishing returns... The hardware has reached the point where there is virtually no descernable difference from one generation to the next. Money on a sound card would probably be better invested in better speakers.


Is there any point in getting a sound card over most integrated Realtek cards these days, if so, what? I ask this in sincere curiosity.

Michael C Apr 19, 2010, 03:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yes, there is. Any soundcard without a headphone amp is useless if you have a good set of speakers/headphones. There is a huge difference between a X-Fi Extreme Gamer/Audio and a Forte. Also, some people just do not have trained ears and wouldn't notice much or any sort of difference. Mine are, though, haha.

Bungle Apr 19, 2010, 04:35pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I think it depends a lot on your speakers... even a relatively good set of computers speakers like my Z5500's sounds bad next to my home theater system which is being driven by the integrated optical audio out of my HTPC.

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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
even a relatively good set of computers speakers like my Z5500's sounds bad next to my home theater system which is being driven by the integrated optical audio out of my HTPC


That's because you got SB titanium.. lol j/k

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Liquid Shadow Apr 19, 2010, 05:56pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Totally agree with MrBungle, and I'm actually selling my Logitech Z-5500. I use an external firewire audio interface with a pair of studio monitors. SOOOOOO much better than the Z-5500. The Logitech has been sitting on my desk collecting dust, so might as well sell it.



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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 19, 2010, 07:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
I'd love to have them. I do agree that for that price I could maybe buy better ... erm... sound devices?

Speakers mean the Pc ones right? Home Theater is better I believe? I think there is an old 5.1 Home Theater around the house but I can't imagine how to connect them to my sound card.

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~Vel Apr 19, 2010, 07:34pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Meats_Of_Evil said:
I'd love to have them. I do agree that for that price I could maybe buy better ... erm... sound devices?

Speakers mean the Pc ones right? Home Theater is better I believe? I think there is an old 5.1 Home Theater around the house but I can't imagine how to connect them to my sound card.



http://www.amazon.com/Roadpro-RPSPW-10P-Speaker-Wire-3-5mm/dp/B001JT33F0

Bungle Apr 20, 2010, 11:41am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Meats_Of_Evil said:
Speakers mean the Pc ones right? Home Theater is better I believe? I think there is an old 5.1 Home Theater around the house but I can't imagine how to connect them to my sound card.


Sometimes home theater speakers are better and sometimes not. The difference between good and bad speakers is their ability to put out volume across the entire audible spectrum.

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Beavis Khan Apr 20, 2010, 12:00pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Creative needs to do us all a favor and go ahead and go out of business. On board el-cheapo Realtek crap gives you 99.9% the performance of an add in soundcard at like 1% the price.

Warning! Anecdote ahead!

My X-Fi Xtreme Music edition just died, so I switched to my motherboard's onboard Realtek ALC889A. Same connection method (5.1 discrete analog), same amp (Onkyo TX-SR505), same speakers (Hsu Research Ventriloquist + STF-2 subwoofer) - and sound quality is virtually identical.

In the absence of some future "must-have" feature for discrete soundcards, I am happy to report that I'm done buying them. Hurrah! More money for CPU/GPU on my next build! :p

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Bungle Apr 20, 2010, 12:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
I'm going to be doing the same thing, I don't see myself investing in a stand alone sound card for my next rig.

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~Vel Apr 20, 2010, 12:37pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Beavis Khan said:
Creative needs to do us all a favor and go ahead and go out of business. On board el-cheapo Realtek crap gives you 99.9% the performance of an add in soundcard at like 1% the price.

Warning! Anecdote ahead!

My X-Fi Xtreme Music edition just died, so I switched to my motherboard's onboard Realtek ALC889A. Same connection method (5.1 discrete analog), same amp (Onkyo TX-SR505), same speakers (Hsu Research Ventriloquist + STF-2 subwoofer) - and sound quality is virtually identical.

In the absence of some future "must-have" feature for discrete soundcards, I am happy to report that I'm done buying them. Hurrah! More money for CPU/GPU on my next build! :p


How do you like the HSU speakers? I came across them some time ago but never got the chance to give them a listen.

Beavis Khan Apr 20, 2010, 01:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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~Vel said:

How do you like the HSU speakers? I came across them some time ago but never got the chance to give them a listen.


The sub is f**king amazing - I've had more than a few "is that noise really coming out of a speaker?!?" moments. The satellites are, I think, pretty darn good for the money, but if I had it to do over again I'd probably get something a little beefier. The center channel speaker contains larger drivers than the satellites, and does a good job of filling in the mid-bass that is mostly absent in satellite/sub configurations. But with my particular desk setup, I think I'd be better off with a traditional small center channel and full range surrounds.

Pretty sure this was the package I bought:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/performance2.html

Stepping up to use bookshelf speakers as the surrounds is significantly more expensive:

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

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On board el-cheapo Realtek crap gives you 99.9% the performance of an add in soundcard at like 1% the price.


I lol'd. I could sit here all day and argue for why are are so wrong sir. I do admit, Creative is pretty much sucking money out of people by rebrading same old $#!+ and selling it for top buxx again, but none of the built in soundcards in mobo's now are as good as high quality standalone soundcard. In your case, the one you had was a very cheap x-fi cards (from creative so thats even worse) which is based on old audigy se - worst card ever made.

It really depends what you wanna do and how much your want to spend as well. A friend of mine went the cheap route and picked up a set of grado audiophile headphones instead of speakers. Because of that, he needs a soundcard with a headphone amp like the asus xonar stx. On-board soundcard just sounds like crap when you put those grado's on, I think I'd much rather not hear any sounds at all than using a high-end stuff like that in a on-board soundcard that just makes them sound sooo bad.

Other people who got studio monitors/expensive speakers will also immediately notice the difference between on-board and very high end soundcards. The better your recordings are, the better your speakers are, the bigger the difference you'll hear between onboard and dedicated.

Another group of ppl (like me) have to have separate cards because for my music needs the onboard can't do ASIO, can't do 128 voice h/w mixing 192khz sampling on the inputs so for any kind of music recording business they just don't have enough spiffy stuff. Not to mention have you seen the noise graphs for on-board realtek vs ,for instance, auzentech forte? realtek is all over the damn graph!

Not to mention a lot lower cpu utilization with the forte.

I am not saying that everyone needs a high quality soundcard, but you will know 100% that you need one if you really do.

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Michael C Apr 20, 2010, 09:55pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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"Because of that, he needs a soundcard with a headphone amp like the asus xonar stx. On-board soundcard just sounds like crap when you put those grado's on"

That'd be me!

Beavis Khan Apr 21, 2010, 10:30am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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sovietdoc said:
some stuff


You had me going until I looked at your profile and saw Logitech Z-5500s* :P To each their own - personally, I'd rather have good speakers and a mediocre soundcard than the reverse. But then, I don't give a damn about hardware mixing, recording quality, etc anymore.

* Full disclosure: I have owned a set of Z-5500s. Quite decent speakers, for computer speakers, but still computer speakers nonetheless.

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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 21, 2010, 01:43pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 21, 2010, 01:54pm EDT

 
>> Re: Creative's X-Fi Titanium HD!
Beavis what makes your speakers better than the Z-5500's? I'm curious what are you suppose to seek in the specifications. Here are both to compare:

Logitech Z-5500:
Technical Specifications

o Total FTC power: 505 watts RMS
Sub-woofer: 188 watts RMS (into 8 ohms, @ 100Hz, @ 10% THD)
Satellites:
Left/Right: 62 watts RMS x 2 (into 8 ohms, @ 1khz, @ 10% THD)
Center: 69 watts RMS (into 8 ohms, @ 1kHz, @ 10% THD)
Rear Left & Right: 62 watts RMS x 2 (into 8 ohms, @ 1kHz, @ 10% THD)
o Total Peak power: 1010 watts
o Maximum SPL: >115 dB
o Frequency response: 33 Hz — 20 kHz
o Amplifier: Ultra-linear, high-capacity analog
o Signal to noise ratio: >93.5 dB, typical 100
o Input impedance: 8,000 ohms
o Compatibility:
PC/Mac
CD
MP3
DVD
PlayStation®
Xbox®



HSU Ventriloquist VT-12:
System Frequency Response

80Hz - 20kHz
Characteristic Sensitivity

90 dB @ 1 watt, 1 meter
Recommendedl Impedance setting

8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power

10 - 125 watts
Center-Channel Dimensions

5" H x
16 7/8 W x 8 5/8 D (+3/4 for rear switch)
Center-Channel Material

MDF
Satellite Dimensions

6 1/8 H x 4 1/16 W x 3 1/8 D
Satellite Mounting Options

Keyhole to screw head, Omnimount 10, Sound Gear SATP
Satellite Material

Molded ABS
Video-shielded

Yes
Warranty

7 years


STF-2 Subwoofer:
Amplifier Power

200 Watts
Bass extension

25 Hz, +/- 2 dB
Woofer size

10 Inches
Crossover

Bypassable 24 dB/Oct, continuously variable 30 - 90 Hz low pass filter
Phase switch

0/180°
Dimensions

19”(h)/14”(w)/18”(d)
Ship-weight

44 lbs
120/240 V Capable

Yes, switchable at the factory with internal jumper
Warranty

7 years on the woofer, 2 years on the electronics

If you can, explain it like you're explaining it to a Toddler lol, since I don't know crap about sound specifications.

If anyone knows of a guides, forum, article or book I can use to learn all thiss**t pleas post it. I'm the guy who doesn't know the difference between a receiver and an amp (guitar amp is the only thing that comes to mind lol)

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