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Bart P May 26, 2010, 07:35am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi everyone and thanks for taking interest in this thread. I am planning on changing my LG Flatron W2242S 22" LCD monitor and were thinking on spending something around 250$/200 euros (+-50$) on a piece of hardware with 22-24 inches, maybe bigger, no speakers (may be present, but I have no need for them), with both DVI and HDMI sockets, and that would work nicely in games. I was thinking about Hanns-G monitors, but again - I would like to ask for your opinions. What is really important for me is that I would prefer not to change the screen I'll buy for the next few years and have it still compatible with standards that are becoming more and more popular nowadays. The reason behind me wishing to change the monitor now is the fact that I own GeForce 9600GT graphic card with two DVI sockets and my LG screen works only in D-Sub standard - I'm using D-SUB -> DVI converter.

Now, if I may ask you for your opinions, is it a good idea to replace my monitor now, when I still might be able to get some cash for it, and buy a new one with DVI and HDMI support? I would appreciate any suggestions and hopefully this thread might come in handy for others who would be thinking about new monitor in ~250$ price range. Thanks in advance!


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Michael C May 26, 2010, 08:57am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
I just have one thing to add - stay away from Hanns-G, at least the 28" monitors.

Bart P May 26, 2010, 11:05am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
thanks for the tip. I'm curious however why Hanns-G monitors should be avoided?

Michael C May 26, 2010, 11:12am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 26, 2010, 11:15am EDT

 
>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
Bad contrast ratio and terrible blacks. The listed response time is wrong(3ms looks like 8ms). Games that run at 75hz are super choppy and basically unplayable, so you will have to use 60hz the entire time. Bad backlight bleeding all I believe ALL Hanns-G models.

Just do me a favor and stay away from them.

Try Asus, they make relitively cheap and high quality stuff. I just bought a ASUS MS238H to replace my Hanns-G 28".

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236075

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G. G. May 26, 2010, 12:32pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Oh... Michael.... dont forget that you have issues getting the D-sub to work or was it the DVI where you were converting it from one to the other from the card using an adapter.......



@ Bart,

Two areas that you may want to take consideration when choosing that "next" monitor that you want to take you along for another 5yrs (hopefully without issues)... are -

1. aspect ratio of the monitor i.e. 16:9 (1920x1080) or 16:10 (1920x1200) it may or not matter to you.... IMO when it comes to computer duties, i prefer the 16:10 format.

2. the screen being either matte or glossy... in a large format 24" and above, me personally I prefer the glossy screen. To me, the glossy screen gives much more depth and color to the image, text, and gaming. Movies are much better as well. The real biggest drawback to glossy screens is the reflection that you can get from them... the factor as how much reflection is the amount of light you have behind you, i.e. light sources from fixtures and windows... If you keep these sources down to a minimum by either removing them or the placement of the monitor.... reflection will not be an issue.


if you can find these in your area... give them a look -

HP - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176126 (25", glossy screen, hdmi, dvi, vga)

HP - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824176125 (27", glossy screen, hdmi, dvi, vga)

Samsung - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001392 (27", hdmi, dvi, vga, component, composite, optical out, built in HDTV tuner)


I would be happy with any of these above monitors....









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Michael C May 26, 2010, 01:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
That turned out to be a videocard card or software issue G.G.

Did you check out the new monitor I bought?

Bart P May 26, 2010, 03:36pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
Hi guys and thanks for quick reply.

@Michael C

I have looked up that monitor you mentioned - I have to say it does look appetizing, and here in Europe it's price is, well, acceptable (around 220€). I will put it down as a candidate and just wait if somebody else will come up with a different monitor to consider. And thanks for the Hanns-G warning, I'll keep that in mind.

@G. G.

Thanks a lot for the tips. Samsung will have to go for the time being as it costs a small fortune here in Europe (over 440€), as for HP 2709m it's really difficult to find it in either Ireland or UK. I will however add HP 2509m to my shortlist (with Asus MS238H) as it seems a very decent piece of equipment for a reasonable price. Appreciate all the help G. G., and if you would come up with some other monitors - please post them here. Thanks again!

Michael C May 26, 2010, 03:53pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 26, 2010, 04:20pm EDT

 
>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
IMO Samsung monitors are good, but way overpriced.

Also, about that HP - read the first review on Newegg - 'Looked good for pictures, but when in motion - horrible'

"Other Thoughts: I bought it and returned it the next day. To people who are used to CRT's or just cheap displays, they wont notice the ghosting because they are used to it. Once you see a display with true 2ms response time then your eyes will open up. With all displays you cant judge it from the specs, you have to see it in person. Pass on this monitor. "

This is precisely what I experienced with my Hanns-G ^. This guy probably knows what he's talking about. Most users don't know anything.

I've had a few Asus monitors and can highly recommend them. If you have the money here are a good few:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423608...-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423604...-_-Product

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423608...-_-Product

I had this monitor for a while, it was great:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423605...-_-Product

I still think the MS238 will be the best looking and have the clearest picture out of them all. I'm only using Newegg.com as a reference btw. Good to read the reviews on there too.

Rooin May 26, 2010, 04:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Michael C said:
Bad contrast ratio and terrible blacks. The listed response time is wrong(3ms looks like 8ms). Games that run at 75hz are super choppy and basically unplayable, so you will have to use 60hz the entire time. Bad backlight bleeding all I believe ALL Hanns-G models.

Just do me a favor and stay away from them.

Try Asus, they make relitively cheap and high quality stuff. I just bought a ASUS MS238H to replace my Hanns-G 28".

http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236075

LED bitches!


Ironic that you make a mention like this Michael. I have a Hanns-G 27.5in viewable monitor, an it works/looks great. A friend of mine purchased a 24in ASUS monitor at the same time, an is upset he didn't get the same one I did. His almost cost the same amount of money, an he complains about how it looks every time hes in front of my screen. I just hosted a LAN over the past weekend, and I had idle players standing around me and my screen because they enjoyed the view, and commented on how much better mine looked then then other players. I received many praises on the clarity, and color of my screen.

If you take the time to properly configure a screen and set it up, it will look fantastic. (unless it really is a total POS) Everyone has different lighting, and other variables in their own environments. Not to mention perception of "too bright" or "too dark" I find the viewing on my screen is wonderful. I will admit that on pages that contain a lot of white area, it can be a little hard on the eyes if your sitting to close, but leaning back in the chair or reducing the window size clears that up. Movies either via BD playback on PS3 or netflix look great, and my xbox looked so good on it, I refused to put it on my living room TV for many months.

I would purchase another Hanns-G again, I've thought about getting a similar model to mine, it just has a 2nd HDMI input, to use as a gaming TV. The wife hates it when I hog the living room. ;)

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LEntless May 26, 2010, 05:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
You don't even have the ASUS and still recommending it? jk. It's very likely much better than your hanns-g. However, I guess you probably done your homework as well as I would have. I'm excited to see how good it is.

To the OP- Michael C is right. There is tons of backlight bleeding on his monitor- and from what I researched, that monitor in general (not sure about the company) has really bad bleeding. I've seen his monitor. It's unacceptable- and I'm not a picky person. It's FAR worse than any monitor I've owned or did tests on. The size and price, on the other hand, is good....but I would rather pay $100 more to get something better.

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mothow May 26, 2010, 06:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Michael C May 26, 2010, 07:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: May 26, 2010, 07:24pm EDT

 
>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
I can't say that's a bad choice Mothow, but this is better:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423608...;SID=34292

SoulSoul1601:

The Hanns-G is a decent monitor, sure, but it has flaws that not many people would notice. Try setting your resolution to 1280x1024 and make sure your hertz is set to 75hz. You should be able to notice strange ghosting effects that make it unplayable. I play most multiplayer games on 1280x1024 @ 75hz and have noticed this. I took Lentless's 19" Samsung monitor and hooked it up to my computer and had NONE of these issues! Total bullshit really since I paid $406 for this thing. I'm just about absolutely sure you and just about every other person who owns this monitor runs their games at 60hz and yes this monitor looks great on 1920x1200 playing Crysis or something and doesn't have issues, it's when the 75hz kicks in. Even then I don't believe the response time is actually 3ms. The 19" Samsung was MUCH smoother on no matter what resolution or hertz.

One of the main reasons I 'upgraded'(if you can call it that now?) from my Asus 24" was because I wanted the pure SIZE for PS3 games but now when I look back I would have kept the 24".

Here's my view on the Hanns-G HG281:

Pros:

- Huge
- Bright
- Plays 1920x1200 60hz games great
- Does a good job with PS3 or 360
- Movies are pretty good, not the greatest quality though

Cons:

- Backlight Bleeding around all edges(about 1 1/2 inches in on each side)
- Can't play games at 75hz without issues(effects all games)
- Doubting that this monitor actually has 3ms response time, not as smooth as others
- Only one HDMI input

This monitor DOES make a suitable movie and console screen if you can stand the backlight bleeding.

I notice the little things and these cons that I have might not seem so bad to someone that is just a general user that watches movies and does light gaming - for that, the monitor is great. But it is gamers worst nightmare so to speak.

Therefore, I cannot wait until my Asus gets here. Hopefully that LED backlight makes as much a difference as they say in picture quality and minimizing backlight bleed :)

LEntless May 26, 2010, 11:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I guess that sums it up.

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G. G. May 26, 2010, 11:28pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Michael C said:
That turned out to be a videocard card or software issue G.G.

Did you check out the new monitor I bought?



sorry... been out most of the day today doing the sight seeing thing... visited two light houses (Cape Hatteras light house and Ocracoke light house), and ferry ride to and back from Ocracoke island.


The monitor you are referring to seems decent enough. The two things that would kill it for me are its matte screen and 16:9 format. NOT to say there is anything wrong with it because there isnt... I favor the 16:10 and glossy screen... that's just my own personal preferrence when it comes to computer monitor. When it comes to TV screens.... then it doesnt matter as all of them are 16:9 anyways and when i am looking at a 55" or greater, the format size doesnt matter...



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Supreet Virdi May 27, 2010, 12:41am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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16:10 Rules!

Without a doubt, I would highly suggest Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP, go for it. The Panel is amazing, you would love it.

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Michael C May 27, 2010, 09:41am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Just checked out the Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP but what's so special about it? 6ms response time? I couldn't handle that. Dell are overpriced also.

Beavis Khan May 27, 2010, 09:58am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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An actual 6ms response time (as opposed to a bullshit 6ms = best case measurement) is basically not noticeable - you're talking ~166 updates per second. The 2408WFP is a PVA panel which gives much better viewing angles, and especially much better color fidelity across viewing angles, than a TN panel. However input lag can be a real issue with *VA panels. IPS panels are generally better in this regard, but they definitely tend to be a bit more expensive.

The Anandtech LCD thread is a great resource for learning about the various panel characteristics and getting some good recommendations on current monitors for various types of use:

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226


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Michael C May 27, 2010, 10:38am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Still think I'd take the MS238 over it :/

G. G. May 27, 2010, 11:14am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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To add in regards to the monitor's response time is that the measurement of this number is not standard.... one monitor's 3ms could actually be worse than another's monitor's 6ms. There is not a set standard the OEM has to follow.. some measures response transition from gray to white to gray (g-t-g) some measures from white to black only, and some measures white to black back to white, and so forth....... so kinda gotta look at the fine print if they decide to review their metholodigy....


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Michael C May 27, 2010, 11:39am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah I can tell with my Hanns-G. No way it's 3ms.

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Edited: May 27, 2010, 09:02pm EDT

 
>> Re: Buying new 22-24" monitor, maybe bigger, any suggestions?
Michael C said:
I can't say that's a bad choice Mothow, but this is better:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682423608...;SID=34292



Micheal C-net picked that monitor as editors choice.The one you linked me to i just cant get past the speakers which i dont need or want

Supreet Virdi said:
16:10 Rules!

Without a doubt, I would highly suggest Dell UltraSharp 2408WFP, go for it. The Panel is amazing, you would love it.

I agree they are great panels.My two Dell monitors are sweet i love them both.Ultra Sharp 2007FP and my Ultra Sharp 2209wa
But they are costly

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