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john albrich Feb 18, 2011, 07:48am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 18, 2011, 07:53am EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Dublin_Gunner said:
John - I don't know whether you've seen my updated post above^^


I did. See my second statement in my post (and yes, it was there before my edit).

I was reinforcing your comments re: video and RAM as I think they were particularly key.

And, I tried to expand a bit on the "why's" of video card selection to provide some context for the "get this instead of that". Just cause you rebuilt it for him, doesn't mean he'll pay attention. His last build seems to have ignored earlier advice, even when the cost was about the same or lower.

Sometimes an additional voice helps ensure the message gets across.


edit: changed "first" statement to "second" Whoops!
Sorry about the multiple edits. I took my pain meds and I'm rapidly fizzling-out.

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Dublin_Gunner Feb 18, 2011, 07:56am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
You and your meds!!

Ah I see now, I was reading your post all backwards I think!

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4GB DDR2-800
ASUS GTX570 DirectCU II
Jon Bailey Feb 18, 2011, 08:02am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Dubs he's got $600

"The world is a temple to the self, and these days, there's alot of believers"
Dublin_Gunner Feb 18, 2011, 08:19am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 18, 2011, 08:24am EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Jon Bailey said:
Dubs he's got $600



Including OS?

Well if that's the case, I suppose he could get

Phenom II x4 820 $104.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103824

and

Galaxy GTS450 OC $89.99 with rebate (great value!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814162062

or

HIS HD5770 $99.99 with rebate (great value also!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161338

The 5770 is generally slightly faster than the GTS450


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Phenom II x3 @ 3.5Ghz
4GB DDR2-800
ASUS GTX570 DirectCU II
Meats_Of_Evil Feb 18, 2011, 08:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Adam Harmon (96781) said on Feb 17, 2011 at 13:54 AST:
Thanks for all your guys input.

A couple things I've learned so far by you guys:

You can't just add any RAM card to your mobo. It has to be either the DDR2 or DDR3. and you best check it before getting. (DDR2 generally seems to be a bit more pricey it seems.)

600 W PSU is a bit of an overkill.

And to make sure the video card will fit the mobo before getting it.

Edit to Add:

What do you all think of this:

SAMSUNG EcoGreen F2 HD103SI 1TB 5400 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152173

Kingston HyperX 2GB 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104072

AMD Athlon II X2 250 Regor 3.0GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103903

Rosewill Blackbone Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023

Rosewill Stallion Series RD450-2-SB 450W ATX V2.2 Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182075

BIOSTAR A780L AM2+/AM3 AMD 760G Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138285

XFX HD-545X-ZAF2 Radeon HD 5450 (Cedar) 1GB 64-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Low Profile Ready Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150470

Windows 7 Home Premium OS

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Total Cost: $405 + $5 for shipping and handling


Sorry mate, that won't do you any good if you like gaming as much as the rest of us. Are we talking Plants vs Zombies and World of Warcraft gaming? OR do you want to play First Person shooters like Crysis and Battlefield Bad Company 2 !!!

First, that hard drive isn't worth it, the RPM which is the revolutions per minute is 5400 and that is pretty damn slow, it's actually what most laptops hard drive are capable of.

That video card is low-end which means you won't get juicy details from most games. Motherboard, CPU, RAM are outdated and do not deserve to be bought when so many new components are out. The PSU is cheap as hell and my biggest advice would be to go big on the PSU and buy quality brands, from experience I can tell you that the biggest limiting factor for future upgrades is the PSU.


I will input my suggestion later in the night and will keep in mind your budget.

I will make you a PC that is capable of gaming in the highest of details with the smoothest performance and enough flexibility for other tasks like super fast multi-tasking and incredible encoding speeds.

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john albrich Feb 18, 2011, 09:32am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Meats_Of_Evil said:
...I will make you a PC that is capable of gaming in the highest of details with the smoothest performance and enough flexibility for other tasks like super fast multi-tasking and incredible encoding speeds.

You sexy talker you. :blush:

Jon Bailey Feb 18, 2011, 12:55pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
I know, that sounded hot didnt it?

"The world is a temple to the self, and these days, there's alot of believers"
Adam Harmon Feb 18, 2011, 01:25pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Well, how can you tell if the video card is compatible with the mobo? Or is it irrelevant?

john albrich Feb 18, 2011, 01:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 18, 2011, 01:49pm EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Let's assume you're limiting your video cards to PCI-e x16 2.0 or 2.1
2.0 is cross-compatible with 2.1. If you want more info on PCI-e see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

They will "all" be compatible as long as your mobo has the PCI-e x16 2.x slot available. However as you noticed earlier, the physical size of the card can make a difference and may interfere with adjacent slots, SATA connectors, etc. For that, you need to look at the spec details, read the reviews, look at the pictures. For example, an extremely long PCI-e x16 card in my Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H mobo will block access to some of the SATA ports, rendering them unavailable. I only found that information out from a review of the mobo (I think it was on guru3d.com).

The RAM type on the video card doesn't mean anything to the system. You can have GDDR5 video RAM and DDR3 system RAM.

This is something you aren't doing, but I'll include for completeness.
Then there's also something called Crossfire (AMD/ATi), Hybrid Crossfire (AMD/ATi), and SLi (Nvidia)...but you aren't dealing with those. This is basically where you couple 2 video cards OR a video card and the mobo integrated video together to get more performance. IF you are using this method, you have to make sure your two vid cards are compatible or your vid card+mobo are compatible (i.e. using the same coupling technology).

Dublin_Gunner Feb 18, 2011, 02:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
john albrich said:
Let's assume you're limiting your video cards to PCI-e x16 2.0 or 2.1
2.0 is cross-compatible with 2.1. If you want more info on PCI-e see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express

They will "all" be compatible as long as your mobo has the PCI-e x16 2.x slot available. However as you noticed earlier, the physical size of the card can make a difference and may interfere with adjacent slots, SATA connectors, etc. For that, you need to look at the spec details, read the reviews, look at the pictures. For example, an extremely long PCI-e x16 card in my Gigabyte GA-880GMA-UD2H mobo will block access to some of the SATA ports, rendering them unavailable. I only found that information out from a review of the mobo (I think it was on guru3d.com).

The RAM type on the video card doesn't mean anything to the system. You can have GDDR5 video RAM and DDR3 system RAM.

This is something you aren't doing, but I'll include for completeness.
Then there's also something called Crossfire (AMD/ATi), Hybrid Crossfire (AMD/ATi), and SLi (Nvidia)...but you aren't dealing with those. This is basically where you couple 2 video cards OR a video card and the mobo integrated video together to get more performance. IF you are using this method, you have to make sure your two vid cards are compatible or your vid card+mobo are compatible (i.e. using the same coupling technology).



John pretty much expalined it there.

However, to put it a bit more simpley:

Most modern Motherboards comes with a PCI Express x16 slot. Modern Graphics cards are PCI-Express.

So, to be very plain about it, if your board is PCI Express, make sure you do not chose an AGP card.

You don't find too many AGP cards these days anyway, but you never know.

Have you decided on what parts you're putting together? Taken the advice?

Lancool PC K62
Phenom II x3 @ 3.5Ghz
4GB DDR2-800
ASUS GTX570 DirectCU II
Adam Harmon Feb 18, 2011, 03:30pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 18, 2011, 04:02pm EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
I have been taking everyone's advice seriously. I don't have $600 right now I have 400, but, I have been able to stay in my budget and get pretty much everything I need.

Here's what I have so far:

Rosewill DESTROYER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case (I know people say go with the Antec, but, this has alot of fans {three} and it just looks cool) $50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147144

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (I think the RPM is good.) $40

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395

BIOSTAR N68S3+ AM3 NVIDIA MCP68S Micro ATX AMD Motherboard (small, but it can handle the DDR3, I made sure to check) $45

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138293

SAPPHIRE 100253HDMI Radeon HD 4650 512MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Low Profile Ready (I upgraded from the 64 to 128-bit as you guys said) $50

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102829

Rosewill RV2-500 500 W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V SLI Ready Power Supply (with the case, it is an $80 combo and it had ok power, I hope this is good for gaming) 40.00

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182038

A-DATA Gaming Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model AX3U1600GB2G9-2G $45

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409

And Win7 Home Premium 64-bit OS


I am trying to follow all your guys suggestions without killing my budget.

Meats_Of_Evil Feb 19, 2011, 04:53pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 19, 2011, 06:29pm EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Ok here I have compiled what I think to be the best I could look for considering your budget:

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X4 840 Propus 3.2GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103921

Mobo:
ASRock 870 EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157198

Ram:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682023127...6820231277

Hard Drive:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Video Card:
XFX HD-485X-ZNFC Radeon HD 4850 1GB 256-bit DDR3 (More performance, no DX11)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150482

OR!
SAPPHIRE Radeon HD 5670(Redwood) 512MB 128-bit DDR5 (Less performance, more features +DX11)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681410287...-_-Product

PSU:
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W ATX12V v2.31/ EPS12V v2.92 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139020

Operating System:
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Case:
Anything you want, as long as it's ATX and has fans you're good.

Total Cost (Not Including Case) = $589.93 with the Radeon 4850 graphics card and $569.93 with the 5670 garphics card.

You never mentioned at what resolution you will be gaming, if its anything lower than 1680 x 1050 then the 5670 will suit you very well. Now, I am very proud to say this is the best build considering the budget that I've ever crafted! It is cheap and flexible enough to allow room for future upgrades, man I'm good!

I can make it cheaper of course but the components quality will suffer a lot. I can choose a different PSU and Motherboard but it won't leave much room (if any!) for future upgrades. I can choose cheaper Ram but G.Skill has made a reputation for itself for selling cheap and good products, and there's some overclocking room left in the RAM so that's why I chose it.

Maybe If I change some components I can slash off about $60 from the total price, but remember that you'll loose flexibility in future upgrades.

Your choice mate.

Now.... where's my Nutella jar?



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Adam Harmon Feb 19, 2011, 05:54pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 19, 2011, 05:55pm EST

 
>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
You put the same link for both video cards to let you know. ;) As for screen resolution, 1440 x 900. I'm not looking for a monitor that is big or anything.

Meats_Of_Evil Feb 19, 2011, 06:32pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
Fixed the link :P

Now, the 5670 will suit you well for gaming, but if you buy the 4870 you can push visual quality even further and get greater performance.

Let me know if you want it cheaper and I'll see what I can do.

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Adam Harmon Feb 19, 2011, 08:26pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Building my First PC, and I have a question
I think I might go with the 4850 one.


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