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~Vel Jun 10, 2011, 02:13am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Read and write speed are over double what the stock Hitachi drive were for my laptop. No noticeable battery difference. Geeking out so hard about this, Aperture loads 15MP photos with adjustments like nothing now.

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Hitachi HTS545016B9SA02 160GB 5400RPM on the left, Western Digital WD5000BPKT 500GB 7200RPM on the right.


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~Vel Jun 10, 2011, 02:55am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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This whole vibrating my palm while typing thing is a bit annoying, but I realize that's the trade off for the speed. I would be bitching a bit if this was just a Blue series though.

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Vel,

Vibrations, really? wow..... maybe it is not the drive but the construction of your laptop that is allowing the amplification of the minute vibration/harmonics from the drive that would normally not be detected but because of the construction of the laptop, it transmit it to the outer casing.


Just give you some reference.... My laptop, a Dell Latitude E6410 has a WD Scorpio WD1600BEKT-75PVMT0 - 160GB 7200rpm 16mb cache and Sata 300 inf..... that produces NO vibrations or noise what so ever. The only noise that is coming from my laptop is the quiet hum of the internal cpu fan. I have had my laptop for 3 months now of everday work usage... By now, the hdd should have been given a good burn in and if any vibrations/noise were to exist, I would think it would have presented itself in some form if it is a characteristics of a 7200rpm 2.5" hdd.

Just for testing..... you might want to put your new Scorpio into a small external usb 2.5" case, power it up, and see if it vibrates or produces any noises... At least this will give indication that its the hdd or the combination of the hdd installed into the laptop.


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~Vel Jun 10, 2011, 01:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jun 10, 2011, 01:29pm EDT

 
>> Re: I <3 My Scorpio Black
Well, I took the bottom of my laptop's case off while it was running and the vibration was still there & definitely from the drive. Even with adding a little pressure with my fingers, the noise and vibration was still there. There's not a whole lot there to dampen the vibration either, I could probably ghetto rig it and put a thin cloth between the drive and the case but I'd fear overheating it. I could bother taking a short video if you want to better see what's going on.

Since I already checked all of the screws and I've determined that this specific drive hums, I'm trying to think of other solutions. I'll look around and see if other people experience this with this model and if not, maybe I have a lemon drive.

EDIT: And already Amazon reviews pop up with stuff I'm experiencing. One says (among others describing similar things) "it is a little noisy and sounds like a laptop fan that runs nonstop" which is exactly what I thought it was at first.

http://www.amazon.com/Western-Digital-Scorpio-Internal-2-5-Inc...dThreeStar

Another review: "I purchased both a WD500BEKT and a WD5000BEVT (aka "Black" and "Blue" models). I ended up trying both in a new Macbook Pro 15" i5 (early 2011).

I first used the Black model as it rated at a faster spin rate - 7200 RPM vs Blue's 5200 RPM. I did notice an improvement in boot speed and application launch over the machines factory installed Seagate Momentus 320GB 5400.6 model. This was great until I noticed a disturbing vibration within the machine. Although it was not overwhelming or all that loud, it was definitely noticeable throughout the entire computer, even on the screen, and especially under the right palm rest where the hard drive is mounted. It vibrated enough to feel it through the hardwood table the computer was resting on.

I decided to swap the Black model with the 500GB Blue model I had purchased for an older MacBook that recently died. This decreased and almost completely eliminated the vibration. There may be a slight decrease in performance versus the black, but not enough for me to notice or care. I do a lot of photo manipulation on large (500MB) images in Photoshop and can't say the Blue has slowed me down any.

It may be that the particular Black drive I received is a little out of balance, but, for me, the Blue definitely wins for its lack of vibration and whisper quiet performance. "

G. G. Jun 10, 2011, 01:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I wonder if it is the size of the drive that makes difference in how it operates.. Since my particular Black Scorpio is only 160GB in size... theres probably only 1 platter and 1 head. Where as with your 500GB size hdd may contain additional platters (causes more rotational forces) and Heads (causes more noise as they "fly" over the spinning surface of platters).

Because a 160gb hdd may only be using 1 platter surface with 1 rd/wrt head vs your 500gb hdd could be using 2 platters with 4 rd/wrt heads on 4 platter surfaces.

And with the physical size of a 2.5" hdd..... there may not be enough materials there to dampen that amount of moving materials at that 7200rpm rotational speeds....

Only other suggestion is to get another black 500gb 7200 drive either as a RMA or with a good return policy and see if another unit does the same thing.


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john albrich Jun 10, 2011, 01:52pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: I <3 My Scorpio Black

If you're worried about overheating, you might consider installing an app that monitors and alarms if the HDD goes above a given temp.

Then if no overheating you know your "fix" is OK to keep in place.

You can setup up freeware like Speedfan to do that using it's advanced configuration and event setpoint/action options. It also provides logging, and temperature graphs.

Freeware open source Open Hardware Monitor provides logging and shows min/max temps and graphs on a real-time display if desired, but doesn't provide configurable alarms.

Speedfan
http://majorgeeks.com/SpeedFan_d337.html
http://www.almico.com/sfdownload.php

Open Hardware Monitor
http://majorgeeks.com/Open_Hardware_Monitor_d6396.html
http://openhardwaremonitor.org/

john albrich Jun 10, 2011, 02:02pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: I <3 My Scorpio Black

Also, if there is excessive vibration, I'd use a SMART monitoring/analysis tool to keep my eye on things like seek error rates, high fly errors, etc. Head positioning-related errors that can be aggravated by vibration and/or overheating.

Speedfan also has a nice online SMART database comparison tool built into it, and Passmark's freeware DiskCheckup monitors and analyzes disk health over time.

Passmark Disk Checkup
http://www.passmark.com/products/diskcheckup.htm

~Vel Jun 10, 2011, 03:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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G. G. said:
I wonder if it is the size of the drive that makes difference in how it operates.. Since my particular Black Scorpio is only 160GB in size... theres probably only 1 platter and 1 head. Where as with your 500GB size hdd may contain additional platters (causes more rotational forces) and Heads (causes more noise as they "fly" over the spinning surface of platters).

Because a 160gb hdd may only be using 1 platter surface with 1 rd/wrt head vs your 500gb hdd could be using 2 platters with 4 rd/wrt heads on 4 platter surfaces.

And with the physical size of a 2.5" hdd..... there may not be enough materials there to dampen that amount of moving materials at that 7200rpm rotational speeds....

Only other suggestion is to get another black 500gb 7200 drive either as a RMA or with a good return policy and see if another unit does the same thing.


Yeah, I'm probably just going to deal with it but I'll see how things are over the next week and return it if I can't deal with it.

Thanks for the links John, unfortunately I can't use them since I run OS X on my laptop, but I do have programs for fan control and temp monitoring. I'm not really worried about it overheating on its own because I'm thrashing it with a defrag right now that's only a quarter done and has been going for over an hour.

Honestly I'm too scared to add a "fix" in case I'm in an unusual situation that causes it to fizzle out when I'm not paying attention or if I set the shut off temp too low.

I forgot about SMART and will definitely download a program for that after the defrag just to have it at least.

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~Vel said:
...Thanks for the links John, unfortunately I can't use them since I run OS X on my laptop....

Whoops! I just glanced at the "Windows 7" in the sig and didn't notice that you had listed 2 different systems there...a desktop and a notebook.

With your temp/SMART monitoring programs, even if a temporary "fix" you try out blocks airflow to the HDD, you'll still have a couple minutes to see how fast/far the HDD is trending toward increased temps before it reaches the danger zone (probably somewhere between 50C-60C, check HDD specs to be sure). This assumes you begin from an "all parts starting at room temperature" condition and they are not already elevated. You'll have plenty of time to shutdown and remove your experiment before any damage or data corruption can occur.

~Vel Jun 11, 2011, 12:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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True, I might tinker around with it a bit tomorrow to see if I can dampen it somehow. Admittedly the annoyance of taking the backcase on and off also inhibits me from wanting to bother with it because with my screwdriver isn't the greatest.

~Vel Jun 12, 2011, 01:45am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Jun 12, 2011, 02:01am EDT

 
>> Re: I <3 My Scorpio Black
I gave it a shot this afternoon, still undecided on how well my fix actually works. It consists of folding a microfiber cloth and putting it "under" the hard drive between the hard drive and the topcase. Temps seemed to only be 1-2 degrees celsius higher though, even after an hour's time.

It really takes a chunk of power though when it's spun up, no joke, scrolling through thumbnails of photos in Finder cranked the usage from like 12.5 to 19 watts so I'm wondering what's going on there... If what I've seen is correct, it should only be taking about 3 more watts under load. Of course I'll have to compare to RAM & CPU usage (which I haven't bothered with yet, that's tomorrow's task if I get around to it).

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~Vel (69519) said on Jun 10, 2011 at 03:55 ADT:
This whole vibrating my palm while typing thing is a bit annoying, but I realize that's the trade off for the speed. I would be bitching a bit if this was just a Blue series though.



Watch out for that Vel. My Samsung Spinpoint F3 did a humming/ vibrating sound and it died on my after 1 month of use I believe. I ended up RMAing and the one I received has been functioning as quite as a corpse. The funny thing is that I contacted Samsung about the humming/vibrating sounds which many people were also having and they said it was due to the speed of the drive. lool! Must have been quite some speed to make the drive kill itself after such a short time.

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~Vel Jun 12, 2011, 09:25am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Yeah, thanks. I do backups every few days and it's got a 5 year warranty so I'm not too worried aside from cost of shipping.

~Vel Nov 05, 2011, 01:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: I <3 Like My Scorpio Black
I've been having issues with random freezes the last couple of months. I had the issue with the stock hard drive as well twice around this time of year, once in 2009 and 2010. They replaced the hard drive cable and I ended up being alright for a while so I'm not convinced it's the drive. However, my SMART status has 1 CRC Error Count and 1 Pending Bad Sector. Is that enough to show that it's the Scorpio? I haven't been able to reproduce the random freezing with the stock drive yet (although I was only using it for about a half hour).

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>> Re: I <3 Like My Scorpio Black
~Vel said:
...However, my SMART status has 1 CRC Error Count and 1 Pending Bad Sector. Is that enough to show that it's the Scorpio? I haven't been able to reproduce the random freezing with the stock drive yet (although I was only using it for about a half hour).


Errors like that do not necessarily mean anything is wrong. However, it's a good idea to track them, compare them with similar drives, and of course always have backups of critical content. There are some utilities that can help you do that (should be ref'd in at least one of the posts below. I like using both Disk Checkup and Speedfan's SMART analyzer/comparator).

The Acronis SMART info database provides detailed explanations of what various SMART reported errors mean and their potential impact.

Temps and vibration can of course affect drive integrity and performance, and lifetime.

Check out the acronis HDD SMART info database referenced in
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77749/#592315 (some specifics)
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77961/#593457 (general)

~Vel Nov 05, 2011, 03:30pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Thanks for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use any of those programs since I'm running OS X but it points me in the right direction for what programs to look for. I swapped the stock drive back in and it has about 250 CRC errors but no pending bad sectors or anything of the like. Is that abnormal? For comparison of Power On Hours, the scorpio has 400 hours whereas the stock has about 2500.

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~Vel said:
Thanks for the info John. Unfortunately I can't use any of those programs since I'm running OS X ...


Well then, you should SAY so in your post!!!!

Oh wait...uh, you uh, did (dammit). Doh! I now realize the Win7 notation is for your desktop, not your big Mac. Mea culpa. :blush:


Probably NOT a good idea for most general computer users....and I've never tried it, but I would speculate one could use Windows-based SMART info applications on a Mac OS drive if it were temporarily installed in a Windows PC. SMART is intrinsic to the HDD hardware/firmware and independent of the OS.

I'd assume Windows wouldn't try to screw up the contents of the drive unless the user intentionally managed/formatted the drive. But then again, who knows what an AV suite might do to the "interloper", eh?

~Vel Nov 07, 2011, 12:43am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hahaha, I'm amused at how this happened twice in the same topic.

john albrich Nov 07, 2011, 03:08am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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~Vel said:
Hahaha, I'm amused at how this happened twice in the same topic.


Yeah. That's the danger of not looking for all of one's months-old posts in a thread and not having infinite 100% perfect memory of everything I've responded to before. But, I'd rather screw-up on something like that than not try to help with a more recent post when you say you still have the problem and specifically talk about HDD SMART data.

But, in my latest post I provided new info pointing to the Acronis SMART database on how to find out what HDD SMART data actually mean, that I had not provided in the earlier post.

At least I hope that was helpful, because interpreting HDD SMART data it doesn't matter whether you're using Windows/Mac/Linux.

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I didn't mean that offensively, I'm always appreciative of your help john. :)

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Edited: Nov 10, 2011, 10:43am EST

 
>> Re: I <3 Like My Scorpio Black
So I've had the stock hard drive in here for about a week now and last night I got another freeze, with hard logging to match! About 850 logs between these two messages, with the first happening about 800 times.

IOHIDEventQueueEnqueue: Error enqueuing memory. (0xe00002e8)

IOHIDSystem: postEvent LLEventQueue overflow.

Time to save the log and take this thing in under warranty!


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