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Rhort Sep 17, 2011, 06:11am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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In a tale of symmetry for the lifespan of my current main rig, which I built so I could play Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, the time has come to replace it, so that I can play Skyrim, which is due out in November. As I'm sure some of you are aware, there is much debate as to what the spec' requirements are going to be, but it seems that the most educated guess people are making is based on the X-Box spec "plus a bit", in combination with what is currently required to run Fallout New Vegas at a reasonable rate.

To this end, I'm speccing a new rig. This is what I've been looking at up to now:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Quad Q8400 2.66GHz S775 Yorkfield 1333MHz 4MB Cache 8xRatio 95W Retail
Mobo: Asus P5G41T-M-LX Intel G41 775 Motherboard
DDR3: 2 x Corsair Memory XMS3 2GB DDR3 1333 Mhz CAS 9 Dual Channel Desktop
PSU: [Using Existing Case and 600W Enermax Noisetaker SLi EG701AX-VE(W)-SFMA]
GPU: 1GB EVGA GTX460 SuperClocked 3800MHz GDDR5 GPU:763MHz, ShaderClock:1526MHz 336 Cores
HDD: System: Western Digital Caviar Green 250GB Hard Drive - HDD
HDD: Secondary: 2 x Samsung 1Tb Spinpoint F3 Hard Drive - HDD
Optical: SATA 22x DVD Writer SAMSUNG SH-S222AB/BEBE
TV Card : Hauppauge WinTV HVR-1700 Media Centre Kit PCI-E Digital+Analog+PVR
OS: Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit


Best price I'm seeing on this so far (from a single supplier) is about 662GBP (around 1045USD or 758EUR) which is well within budget at this point.

I'm still quite a way away from actually buying it yet; could potentially buy it now, but I'm keen to wait a little longer and see if anything approaching a better spec' guestimate comes out. The fact is, I don't mind spending the money, or a little more if required. What I'd hate to do is find that I spend 700 quid on a machine only to find that I needed to spend 750; I'd rather spend the 750 just to be sure.

Anyone have any comments?


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>> Re: Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Machine Build
For almost the same price you can easily do better.

CPU:
The 775 is old architecture for the cpu.
Q8400 is $181 usd 775
2500k $219 usd. i7
(i purchased the 2600k from eBay for $280, rather then $310 online)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072

The 1155 (i5-i7) cpu socket is way better then the 775 (q series) The 2500k is the best bang for the buck currently. The next step up is the 2600k, it is basically the same as a 2500k, but has hyper threading. The ht is really only needed in video editing and encoding. Most gamers go for the 2500k.


MEMORY:
You have listed ddr3 memory. The q8400 uses ddr2 memory.
Ddr2 memory is a lot more expensive than ddr3.
you can get 8gb of ddr3 of a good quality memory for $40+ usd, or 16 gigs for $80+
There is a current thread in the forums posting new deals every few days.

HDD:
I assume that you are going to be using your current hdd that is 250gb?
New 2tb wd green hdd's are under $100usd, while 1tb hdds are about $70, though faster.
I am just saying that you would get better performance from a partition on your 1tb hdd, then from your stand alone 250gig hdd.

Video card:
The GTX 460 is a great choice, but the 560 ti is a better choice for nearly the same price.

MOBO:
The mobo is up to you.
As far as the 1155 (i5-i7) socket mobo's, the Z68 series is the newest chip.

PSU:
Should be fine.

Keep us posted on your build progress.

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Thanks for that! :)

One thing that's confused me; how do you know which RAM goes with which CPU? I was working on the speed being the same (the 1333Mhz bit), but I see I must have that wrong.

Just to complicate things even further, what would you say to an AMD option, such as:

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition, Deneb Core, S AM3, 3.5GHz, 8MB Cache, HT 4000MHz, 125W, Retail
MSI GF615M-P33 V2, NForce 630a, S AM3, DDR3, SATA II - 3Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe (x16), D-Sub (VGA), Micro ATX

with the rest of the spec as is. I appreciate that this CPU is only slightly newer than the 8400 (both of which are about two years old now), but it's the same price (about six quid difference in it), or is that just 'old' along the same lines? I've mostly been working on the basis that the nub of the requirement here is the video card, combined with a decent amount of system RAM, so as long as I had an 'ok' CPU, it would be fine.

The HDDs listed are all new. I just liked the idea of having the OS on a separate drive. Might go for a third 1TB drive in that case, and partition it off for the TV card to use the rest for local recording. The speed issue you mentioned definitely makes a lot of sense.

I hear what you're saying about the GPU, and as I mentioned, I know this is crucial, so I'm certainly taking on board any advice I can get about that.

If I included everything you've suggested (as well as swapping the 250Gb HDD for a 1Tb, and the two 1Tb drives for a single 2Tb one), it pushes the price up to 812GBP (around 1282USD or 930EUR), which is an increase of 22%; is the performance increase I would see at least comparable? This machine is going to have to last me a few years (probably until Elder Scrolls VI comes out), so if it's going to be worth it, there's certainly no problem spending the extra cash.

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>> Re: Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Machine Build
Rhort said:
Thanks for that! :)

One thing that's confused me; how do you know which RAM goes with which CPU? I was working on the speed being the same (the 1333Mhz bit), but I see I must have that wrong.

Just to complicate things even further, what would you say to an AMD option, such as:

AMD Phenom II X4 970 Black Edition, Deneb Core, S AM3, 3.5GHz, 8MB Cache, HT 4000MHz, 125W, Retail
MSI GF615M-P33 V2, NForce 630a, S AM3, DDR3, SATA II - 3Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe (x16), D-Sub (VGA), Micro ATX

with the rest of the spec as is. I appreciate that this CPU is only slightly newer than the 8400 (both of which are about two years old now), but it's the same price (about six quid difference in it), or is that just 'old' along the same lines? I've mostly been working on the basis that the nub of the requirement here is the video card, combined with a decent amount of system RAM, so as long as I had an 'ok' CPU, it would be fine.

The HDDs listed are all new. I just liked the idea of having the OS on a separate drive. Might go for a third 1TB drive in that case, and partition it off for the TV card to use the rest for local recording. The speed issue you mentioned definitely makes a lot of sense.

I hear what you're saying about the GPU, and as I mentioned, I know this is crucial, so I'm certainly taking on board any advice I can get about that.

If I included everything you've suggested (as well as swapping the 250Gb HDD for a 1Tb, and the two 1Tb drives for a single 2Tb one), it pushes the price up to 812GBP (around 1282USD or 930EUR), which is an increase of 22%; is the performance increase I would see at least comparable? This machine is going to have to last me a few years (probably until Elder Scrolls VI comes out), so if it's going to be worth it, there's certainly no problem spending the extra cash.



Memory speed:
When in doubt, look up a mobo for the socket that you want. The minimum speed of the memory will be what is required.
The only reason to get memory speeds over what is required is if you are going to overclock the memory.
But.. sense the1600 speed memory is often cheaper then the 1333, i would go for the 1600.

CPU:
The 2500k is still faster then any AMD, as far as i know.
People are hoping that when aAMD releases the bulldozer series, that they will be more competitive, if not faster. I have not kept up on the latest AMD's though.
A nice cheap and a lot better aftermarket cooler is the cooler master 212 + (you can find as cheap as $30 usd)

The 2500k is the second of what we expect to be three in a series of i5/i7. It is faster then a i7920 that used to be the best bang for the buck. The 920 and 2500k use different mobo's, but the ivy (soon to be newest cpu) will still use the same mobo as the 2500k (1155) The 2500k is at least 30% faster if not more then the q8400 or q6600 (Q6600 is the best bang for the buck in the 775 series imho)

Is the upgrade worth the $?:
Yes, i would never recommend that someone get a 775 with an 1155 being almost exactly the same price.
Is it still a 22% cost increase with the cheaper ddr3 memory?

Keep in mind:
A gamer will only need 4gigs of memory, but with the 2x4gb memory so cheap, i wouldn't go less then 8gb. More than 8gb is a waste of money for most people, unless you do a lot of video editing and Photoshop.

Your hdd will work fine. The main time that you will really notice a faster hdd is when loading a game/loading screen time in game.


The hdd is the last thing i would upgrade if $ is an issue.
If you are getting a new hdd, keep in mind an ssd is the fastest.(cheap one 36gb is about $60 usd)
A mechanical hdd is plenty fast for most people.
If you are getting a new hdd, look at the Western digital black, Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint for the fastest hdd's.
That is why i recommended putting a small partition in your Spinpoint as it is a fast hdd and a partition of 200gbwill leave the second partition at about 700gb. You can always format the first partition without effecting the second but you will lose all data when you make a partition.


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Recommended System Requirements
OS: Windows XP, Vista or Windows 7
CPU: Core 2 Quad 3 GHz
RAM: 3 GB
HDD: 15 GB free disk space
Graphics: 512 MB Graphics Memory
Sound Card: DirectX 9 Compatible
DirectX: Version 9.0c

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>> Re: Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Machine Build
A faster cpu will help in many games, though most games are not super cpu intensive, more are getting there.

Battlefield bad company 2 or BC2 is very cpu intensive.

I had a Q6600, i would average almost 40fps in game.
With the same settings my 2600k now averages almost 50fps.
10 fps may not sound like a lot,but in a game it is.This also helps future proof your pc.

You may get a game and you can only play at 20fps. The game would be so laggy and jumpy that you couldn't play it. Those extra 10 fps would make a world of difference as well as cut back on eye fatigue while gaming.

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I saw your comment on dedicating an HDD to the OS. The downside to that is that performance of a mechanical HDD degrades significantly as you move away from the beginning of the drive to the end. You might start with 100MB/s benchmark performance at the start of a 250GB HDD, but by the middle of the drive you're already down to perhaps 75MB/s (or slower). And, the OS when left to its own devices might put the paging file waaaay out toward the "end" of the partition, and on a single-partition system disk you'd have a lot more HDD head movement than necessary.

To get improved system performance out of a mechanical HDD, I'd suggest setting up a relatively small system partition of perhaps 20% of the drive. You can get by with a LOT less than 20% for your system partition when using 500GB or larger drives. On a 1TB drive for example, I'd start with a system partition of ~50GB (5%) and see how things look from there.

Note: drives have different performance degradation profiles. It depends on things like number of platters, number of heads, drive RPM, the drive's physcial cache size, whether you have write cacheing enabled in the OS, etc.


I similarly partition all my drives such that the applications (and their control and logging files) and data that require the best performance are always located in partitions within the lower 20% of their corresponding drives. Only archival, seldom-used, or when performance isn't an major issue (e.g. completed e-books/music/videos/pictures/etc) go on partitions on the remainder of each drive.

A few drives I've even just setup the lower partition and leave the remainder of the drive unallocated. That gives me the hassle-free flexibility to decide if I want to "grow" that lower partition later, or add more partitions if needed.

You can safely use a tool like freeware HD Tune to examine HDD performance v. physical location on a drive.
http://majorgeeks.com/HD_Tune_d4130.html


If you want to see more granular performance info on a per partition basis, then a tool like HDspeed is helpful...but is NOT RECOMMENDED FOR GENERAL USERS. If you go ahead and use it, then I advise,

DO NOT TEST ANYTHING OTHER THAN "READ MODE" using HD Speed

"Write" tests using HD Speed are "destructive" tests and will cause loss of existing data on the target disk.
http://majorgeeks.com/HD_Speed_d1607.html Warning! Destructive WRITE Tests


edit to add 20130618:
I found out this is called "short-stroking" the hard drive. Also, apparently an advantage that I hadn't considered is that this method taken to the extreme (use ONLY the one restricted-size partition on the drive) likely reduces wear and tear and increases reliability of the drive by reducing stress on the actuator assembly. See this for more information.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/short-stroking-hdd,2157-4.html
edit to add:
Just providing info about another HDD performance assessment tool...
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77420/#590037

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Okay, so I've taken a bit of time to think about what you guys have said. Great input, thanks :)

What I'm looking at now is buying the CPU/Mobo/RAM as an overclocked bundle, with a 2500K 3.3 @ 4.4 o/c'd and tested by the supplier overclockers.co.uk who I've bought from before and it comes with a 12 month collect and return warranty on everything including the o/c. This will guarantee compatibility; the o/c and testing only ups the price by 80GBP (about 125USD or 92EUR) so I figured I might as well. The bundle comes with a dual channel kit of 4Gb of DDR3 all fitted and tested as part of the set up meaning all I have to do is add the PSU, the drives, the TV card and the GPU (which I found a GTX570 for a same price as the 560 I found yesterday).

Now, two additional questions that have raised themselves. Firstly, the OS; is there really a tangible benefit in 7 Ultimate over 7 Pro that justifies the extra 30GBP? Secondly, the comments on HDD speed, etc, got me thinking about SSDs; what do you think about them? I've seen several reports of people booting to desktop in 10 seconds. I know SSDs are relatively small right now, but is it worth it?

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Rhort said:
Okay, so I've taken a bit of time to think about what you guys have said. Great input, thanks :)
Now, two additional questions that have raised themselves. Firstly, the OS; is there really a tangible benefit in 7 Ultimate over 7 Pro that justifies the extra 30GBP? Secondly, the comments on HDD speed, etc, got me thinking about SSDs; what do you think about them? I've seen several reports of people booting to desktop in 10 seconds. I know SSDs are relatively small right now, but is it worth it?


Looks like that will work great for you. Seeing how the computer will come pre overclocked is nice, that gives a nice performance gain. That should mean that they are supplying an aftermarket cooler of some sort as a stock cooler can't handle an overclock. This is a good thing.

Here is a comparison chart for the different versions of windows 7:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows7/products/compare
As you can see there is really no difference.

Ssd's are quite a bit faster than a mechanical hdd.
To get a pc that boots up in under 15 seconds, you would have to raid two or more ssd's and change your windows registry settings to make windows boot using less programs.
This pc you are getting will boot in about 20-25 seconds any way.

With an ssd you will see programs and games open and load levels a lot faster. For example, my computer opens photoshop in 5-6 seconds. A computer with raided ssd's will open it in 1-2 seconds.

Ssd's are a lot more expensive and you get a lot less hdd space. It just depends on how important the above mentioned benefits are to you for whether or not you get one.
You can get a 30+gb ssd and just use that as your primary hard drive, but then you will have to install all of your programs onto a second hdd

All games are designed for use on a mechanical hdd, so the only realistic difference you would ever see is in load times and initial star of the game.

This link shows real world examples under the "game test" section. They state a 2%-12% increase in speed.This equates to 2-3 seconds.
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/..._Rev_3.pdf

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Re: diffs between Pro and Ultimate
IMO for the typical user Ultimate is NOT worth the increased price. The only incentive I really see would be if you want to use hardware-based Bitlocker (which your motherboard has to also support in order to use it. Plus there are software encryption methods out there that provide sufficient security (e.g. TrueCrypt).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions

On-going Support Cut-off Date Information
Win7 Ultimate supported only to 2015
Win7 Pro supported to 2020
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77837/

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micro said:
...You can get a 30+gb ssd and just use that as your primary hard drive, but then you will have to install all of your programs onto a second hdd....

The only thing I'd caution about here is that SOME SSDs performance begins to degrade significantly as they get "filled-up". This is not an issue of "where" in the SSD memory the files are located, but the type of memory used. The SSD will still be faster than a mechanical HDD, but compared to it's own rated performance there can be a dramatic fall-off. So, as you "fill-up" a 30GB SSD the performance will go way down. So if it's a choice between the two capacities, I'd go with a 64GB instead of a ~30GB SSD.

In addition, I've seen 30GB SSDs selling for almost the SAME price as 64GB SSDs. The 30's don't seem to go on sale/shellshocker/etc to the degree we see 64GB and higher capacity SSDs get discounted. e.g. 32GB SSD might cost you $60 (~$2/GB), whereas over a period of a month or so you can likely find a 64GB SATAII SSD for ~$64 ($1/GB) and a 64GB SATAIII SSD for ~$95 ($1.50/GB) if you're patient.

See this thread for some SSD price info:
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77290/

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I have my 2500K running at 4.5ghz and it's blazingly fast compared to my old Q6600 @ 3.4ghz. Not even comparable, in anything. You should be fine with that CPU, just make sure your videocard matches.

John you make me want to clean my SSD :|

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intel's cpus are expensive, if youre on a budget get an amd system.

It won't matter for fps in games much, only thing better with intel is transcoding videos.

6-core amd, bad-ass mobo, and ram you can get for like 300 bucks.

With intel, the cpu alone costs more than that.

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I hear what you're saying there about AMDs, Sovietdoc, and this will in fact be my first ever Intel machine; I built my first machine totally from scratch in May 1997, and it was a Cyrix M200, then after almost five years of upgrades, February 2002 saw me replacing that with an Althon XP1600 (if you're interested, the thread around that one is http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/578/), February 2007 saw me moving to an Athlon XP3200 that I needed to play Oblivion (actually it was the video card that let me down the XP1600 handled it fine it was the lack of AGP on the mobo that was the Achilles Heel), and now that's relegated to comms rig in order to get a machine I can play Skyrim on. The research I've done shows the prices are comparable anyway.

Ordered this morning based around the spec I mentioned before (with the 2500k o/c bundle), with some tweaking of the HDDs; decided that SSDs are still a bit of a gimmick and after reading your comments above, realised that I just don't need THAT extra speed yet. Once the drives are a better size, I might consider it, but until then, I'm taking on board what John said about the partitioning, etc. GPU-wise, I've gone for a GTX570 with 1280Mb on board. I've also dropped the TV card for now and gone for Windows 7 Pro.

Now, the sitting around waiting for delivery, followed by six weeks or so until Skyrim is actually released :D

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intel is the top peformer, im certain even the mighty dozer will get owned by the x79

its just comes down to how much cash do you have

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sovietdoc said:
its just comes down to how much cash do you have


QFT

I had a fair budget; 1100GBP (about 1720USD or 1250EUR) but I wanted to see some change from that for a couple of other things I've got in the pipeline. From the original spec' I looked at, based on advice from here and other places, I've upped the cost by about 30% but upped the spec by 104%, which is a fair trade in my head.

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Woof! Up, running and now copying data from old machines :))

O/C was stated as 4.4Ghz (from 3.3 stock), but actually showing as 5.8(!!!); warranty on the kit covers O/C (as long as I don't mess with it obviously). Cooler on it is *MASSIVE* - seriously, it only just fits in the case with about 2cm to spare! :D

What utility do you guys recommend I use to benchmark it? I'm keen to see what it's up to.

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Wait...what? 5.8ghz on the 2500k? I don't even think that's possibly with your cooling man. 5ghz is pushing a very high overclock. That can't be right.

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Michael C said:
Wait...what? 5.8ghz on the 2500k? I don't even think that's possibly with your cooling man. 5ghz is pushing a very high overclock. That can't be right.


DOH! I must be reading this wrong:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b282/rhort/hwa/PCInfo.jpg

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Yeah, I doubt that's very accurate. I have mine at 4.5ghz and yet it still says 3.4ghz. Use CPU-Z to truly tell your speeds.

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Yeah, I doubt that's very accurate. I have mine at 4.5ghz and yet it still says 3.4ghz. Use CPU-Z to truly tell your speeds.



Hmmm. I installed it, but can't see where I'm supposed to be looking; there are so many tabs :|

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CPU Tab > Core Speed


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