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angryhippy Dec 10, 2011, 07:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Moaning the Blues is not just a Hank Williams song. It's also the song my computer started singing to me this morning. When I turned it on it started moaning. WTF? OK, not exactly a moan, more like a moaning fog horn in the distance repeating itself over and over at 1 sec. intervals. It lasted for about a minute and a half. Tomorrow I'll get my stethoscope (a piece of rubber hose) and see if I can pin point the source. In the meantime, can anyone give me some ideas as to the possible source? I'm thinking it isn't a fan because the fan would have to be turning at an awfully slow speed and turning down all the fans on the fan controller didn't change it, and I could hear them spin up as it was still moaning. Maybe a leaky cap? I can't pull my PC out of it's cubbyhole because of my arm surgery to take a look. I'll have to get a neighbor to come over and pull it out for me in the morning. Damn it! This is gonna screw up my Christmas if I have to buy something expensive unexpectedly. Oh ya and I couldn't control the fan on the PSU so I guess it and the vid card fan are not ruled out...yet.


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john albrich Dec 10, 2011, 07:58pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
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Hopefully you'll find it's just some sort of intermittent case resonance with a hard drive or fan.

Without having to move or crack-open the case...

Can you monitor/control the video card fan with the card's software? Might reveal if the sound changes.

Also, perhaps you can use the OS performance/power settings to temporarily set your HDDs to spin-down after a few minutes of no user activity and see if the sound goes away or changes.

Meats_Of_Evil Dec 10, 2011, 09:39pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Eh!? moaning? Check the spinning, parts, hard drives or dvd drives, hope its not the PSU fan.

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angryhippy Dec 11, 2011, 12:47am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 11, 2011, 12:47am EST

 
>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
I figured it out I think. The GPU fan isn't spinning up to speed. I looked and at rest the temp was running in the mid 50C's. I'm still looking for a program that is small but will show the fan speed in the sys tray. Damn, now I gotta RMA the video card it looks like!...sigh

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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
angryhippy said:
I'm still looking for a program that is small but will show the fan speed in the sys tray. Damn, now I gotta RMA the video card it looks like!...sigh

Speedfan?

Sucks about the card.

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angryhippy Dec 11, 2011, 02:12am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Sucks about the card.


Well I still have my 9800GT

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Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
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john albrich Dec 11, 2011, 06:03am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
angryhippy said:
...I'm still looking for a program that is small but will show the fan speed in the sys tray....


I noted from one of your images that you may be talking about a Radeon HD68xx card?

I can't recall if ATI Tray Tool (not "ATI Tool") has an option to show the fan speed in the system tray, but it's relatively low footprint for all that it does do.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/ATI_Tray_Tools_d4569.html

ATI Tool is more for actually tweaking things (including a user-definable GPU temp/fan-speed profile as I recall), but it hasn't been updated since 2007 and may not properly handle newer cards. I haven't personally used it in a long time.
http://www.majorgeeks.com/ATITool_d4109.html


edit to add:
Also, there's Open Hardware Monitor. It allows you to optionally show a tray icon for virtually EVERY parameter it displays in its main window (right click on the parm and select "Show in Tray" option). It collects very comprehensive data on voltages, fans, temps. Unfortunately, its sample rate is not user-definable and although it's small memory footprint, I think it updates sensor readings too frequently (~1/sec)...thus taking more system bandwidth than needed. If it doesn't currently provide the GPU fan speed for your card, they might take a request under advisement.
http://majorgeeks.com/Open_Hardware_Monitor_d6396.html

angryhippy Dec 11, 2011, 06:40am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
Hi John! I have ATT Tray Tool that doesn't show the fan speed. Everest doesn't even see the card, and the ATI Catalyst control center only puts the GPU temp in the sys tray. So I'm ended up using Aida 64 that shows the CPU temp, the GPU temp and the fan speed but only as a percentage and not a speed in terms of RPM. It shows 100% but I know that's wrong, just by the sound. I don't know why I have such crap ass bad luck with ATI cards. I don't know if I mentioned it in an earlier post, but ever since I installed the card, windows explorer is crashing 7, 8 maybe even 10 times a day, and I lose control of the mouse as well. It takes me forever to get to the "you wanna wait till it responds or kill this sucker now?" option. It gets super laggy when trying to move it like it's waiting for some memory to get free or something, then I lose whatever is open on the desktop.

EDIT: Yes it's an XFX HD6850 with a gig of DDR5

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john albrich Dec 11, 2011, 08:34am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
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Try the Open Hardware Monitor (OHM) freeware mentioned above. It might provide more helpful info for awhile. Let us know if it detects your GPU fan speed and lets you show the current value in your system tray.

I don't use OHM 100% of the time, but sometimes it comes in handy for troubleshooting or to see how a configuration change affects the system...and I'll have it running for a few weeks at a time. On a couple systems I was quite shocked to see how much a couple of the voltage rail min/max values varied over time. Some were outside of specified min/max voltages, suggesting a potential problem with or imminent failure of the PSUs.

By the way, as with many temperature monitor programs, you do usually have to calibrate and/or provide "offsets" for the displayed data. For example, on the "CPU core" temp in OHM, I ADD 13C to the displayed parameter value to get a reasonable value because otherwise the reported raw value would even be below room temperature...an impossibility in a system that doesn't use active cooling (like refrigerant, or Peltier, or etc cooling).


(I've also experimented with setting the CPU core "affinity" of OHM to core2 only (of cores 0-3) so that it is less likely to significantly impact general programs' operations (because of that ~1/sec sampe interval)...the jury is still out on whether affinity constraint is effective. IF constraining the affinity makes a difference it's very minimal...but I thought it would be interesting to play with that. I use freeware 'System Explorer' to set the affinity because it provides the option to automatically assign and remember the selected affinity at startup, whereas with 'Process Explorer' you have to manually set the affinity every time you boot the system.)
http://majorgeeks.com/System_Explorer_d6381.html

angryhippy Dec 11, 2011, 11:56am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Did you ever experiment with the boot.ini file in XP? I keep mine tweaked before I install the win7 . I kill the DEP thing and set the number of processor cores so it looks like:

[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=AlwaysOff /numproc=2

lol never bothered to find out if it actually helped. silly lazy me.

Get Hippied out!
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Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
angryhippy Apr 04, 2012, 11:28pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
Funny. I got an e-mail saying someone responded to the thread but no one's been here. Unless it was some spam troll that got wiped by the moderators. Oh well. While I'm here, it ended up being a bad card. The XFX customer support was absolute rubbish. I contacted them on Dec. 6th but was unable to get a replacement until Feb. And that was only after my correspondence took a nasty turn (on my end anyway). The moan is gone, and windows explorer hasn't crashed since. This will probably be the last ATI and for sure the last XFX card I'll be buying. The 460 evga card I got was vastly superior and actually cost me a bit less. And their customer service has always been excellent.

Get Hippied out!
http://www.angryhippy.net
Me at work: http://tinyurl.com/3nvncb3
My rig! A Blah blah.With a blah blah! SWEET! http://tinyurl.com/4yujmff
Da Beast! http://tinyurl.com/3sapr2b
i5 3570K 4.6GHz http://snipurl.com/26r3cot
Win7-8 Pro 64bit
john albrich Apr 06, 2012, 02:24am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Moaning The Blues PC Style
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From discussions with friends and associates, it seems that recently NVIDIA cards are doing better than ATi (AMD) cards regarding crashes. I (again) suspect Catalyst drivers as they've got a LONG history of crashes that are "fixed" by changing versions up and down for a given card.

I'm still mostly using AMD cards at the moment but my next card is going to be NVIDIA...probably GTX550Ti (when on sale and rebated=excellent bang for the buck (I saw one recently for US$80, but alas didn't snatch it up)). I just don't do bleeding-edge anymore...it's too problematic.

Meats_Of_Evil Apr 06, 2012, 06:47pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I want a GTX6xx, I want to game on max settings again, I got 4 good years out of the 8800gt it's time to turn it into a physx card lol.

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