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Ddanz Feb 09, 2012, 05:20pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Was thinking of purchasing one of these cards and wanted to know if you guys think the extra $170 is worth to pay and get the GTX580. Drop inputs! Many thanks in advance!

Mainly wanted to get this card to play D3 at MAX lol
(I currently have the 9800GTX, yeah I know old card.. haha)


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Bungle Feb 09, 2012, 06:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
You should get neither, in that price range buy a Radeon 7950 or if you want to splurge get a 7970.

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Ddanz Feb 09, 2012, 07:35pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
MrBungle said:
You should get neither, in that price range buy a Radeon 7950 or if you want to splurge get a 7970.


Oh.. but to my knowledge the 570 and 580 have a higher benchmark...?

mothow Feb 09, 2012, 09:34pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
your thinking of the 6950/6970/ the 7950 and 7970 are killers.

But two GTX570s will rip throughmost any game

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Meats_Of_Evil Feb 09, 2012, 11:13pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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The 7950 is over $100 more than the GTX570. Also you should wait a bit to see what Nvidia's launch will bring.

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john albrich Feb 10, 2012, 12:42am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
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Among those cards, I wouldn't even consider the HD7950. From what I gather, it doesn't seem all that much better than the HD6870...relatively speaking. And the 6870 is a LOT cheaper.

But like a lot of tech, the actual performance depends on a lot of different factors and direct comparisons can be misleading.

I'd also take a long look at any problems people are reporting with drivers on a given OS.

Seth Hoffman Feb 10, 2012, 08:54am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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If I were to do it again I would have bought two 560Ti's overclocked them and lived happily ever after. The 560Ti uses a newer GPU architecture versus the 560/570/580 parts and has a lot of headroom for overclocking. Also, I only run one 1080p display to play games so two 560Ti's would have been plenty in my opinion.

We really need a console refresh so the game developers can start pushing our PCs again. Right now the majority of games are cross platform and they have to cater to the lowest common denominator (xb360).

For your scenario I would be looking at a GTX560Ti and OC it. I have been playing the Diablo3 beta for awhile and so far the graphics/physics aren't anything special. Granted that could change in retail.


Bungle Feb 10, 2012, 10:52am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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If he's shopping for a GTX 570/580 I don't think he's trying to maximize bang for the buck... If you're of the mindset that you want overkill and are willing to drop $500+ on a graphics card then you might as well get the best.

The benchmarks all say that performance wise 570 < 580 < 7950 < 7970


On a more practical note, yes a 560 Ti is likely more than adequate for 95% of titles because most of the games these days are ports from the eXcrement Box and the Gay Station.

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DoubleDouble Feb 10, 2012, 10:55am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
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Among those cards, I wouldn't even consider the HD7950. From what I gather, it doesn't seem all that much better than the HD6870...relatively speaking. And the 6870 is a LOT cheaper.

But like a lot of tech, the actual performance depends on a lot of different factors and direct comparisons can be misleading.

I'd also take a long look at any problems people are reporting with drivers on a given OS.


Whaaaaaa?

http://www.hwcompare.com/11468/radeon-hd-6870-vs-radeon-hd-7950/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-c...,3123.html

It's equal to a GTX580

Both of which are much faster than a 6870...or did you mean 6970?

john albrich Feb 10, 2012, 01:31pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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...It's equal to a GTX580
Both of which are much faster than a 6870...or did you mean 6970?


No. I meant 6870.

I'm sometimes wary of tomshardware (and some other) benchmark results as they are often for a set of very constrained test scenarios or based on a single configuration, and the results may not even remotely apply on a different system/CPU/etc.

In any case, when it comes to claimed benchmarks, setting expectations, and my money, I'll almost always use the worst-case results when presented with results from multiple reputable organizations.

One can design or limit a benchmark test and obtain what appears to be extremely high performance out of a given video card (or other device)? Does that mean you'll actually get that in real life for different CPUs, memory management, operating systems, etc? Very often the answer ends up being no once more people have provided real-world feedback. It's why I prefer a benchmark comparison where a variety of system environments is involved to try to provide an more balanced overall assessment. Example:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/graph_notes.html

In past experience, tomshardware on occasion has helped create some unrealistic expectations about the performance of some new cards/drives/etc...even though they are usually careful to warn about the limited real-world applicability of their tests. Some readers just ignore the test environment, look at the end-result numbers, and spend their money.

I've come to generally trust Passmark's overall ratings when setting my expectations and making my purchases, but even those I take with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to new tech. I don't exclude tomshardware and others' test scenarios, but I also rely on my past negative experiences with making a purchase decision based solely on their numbers.

Rhort Feb 10, 2012, 01:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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My single GTX570 plays Skyrim maxed out at 1680x1050 (max res of my monitor) without even breaking sweat. By that reckoning, I wouldn't say the 580 is really worth the extra right now.

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Ddanz Feb 10, 2012, 02:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
DoubleDouble said:
john albrich said:
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Among those cards, I wouldn't even consider the HD7950. From what I gather, it doesn't seem all that much better than the HD6870...relatively speaking. And the 6870 is a LOT cheaper.

But like a lot of tech, the actual performance depends on a lot of different factors and direct comparisons can be misleading.

I'd also take a long look at any problems people are reporting with drivers on a given OS.


Whaaaaaa?

http://www.hwcompare.com/11468/radeon-hd-6870-vs-radeon-hd-7950/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-7950-overclock-c...,3123.html

It's equal to a GTX580

Both of which are much faster than a 6870...or did you mean 6970?


According to Tomshardware it seems like the 580 is not worth getting... am I wrong?
Might be better off going with the 79xx cards

Ddanz Feb 10, 2012, 02:07pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
Rhort said:
My single GTX570 plays Skyrim maxed out at 1680x1050 (max res of my monitor) without even breaking sweat. By that reckoning, I wouldn't say the 580 is really worth the extra right now.


Hrm, I could even possibly go with the 570 and then eventually add another 570 down the road

Ddanz Feb 10, 2012, 02:14pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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john albrich said:
DoubleDouble said:
...It's equal to a GTX580
Both of which are much faster than a 6870...or did you mean 6970?


No. I meant 6870.

I'm sometimes wary of tomshardware (and some other) benchmark results as they are often for a set of very constrained test scenarios or based on a single configuration, and the results may not even remotely apply on a different system/CPU/etc.

In any case, when it comes to claimed benchmarks, setting expectations, and my money, I'll almost always use the worst-case results when presented with results from multiple reputable organizations.

One can design or limit a benchmark test and obtain what appears to be extremely high performance out of a given video card (or other device)? Does that mean you'll actually get that in real life for different CPUs, memory management, operating systems, etc? Very often the answer ends up being no once more people have provided real-world feedback. It's why I prefer a benchmark comparison where a variety of system environments is involved to try to provide an more balanced overall assessment. Example:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/graph_notes.html

In past experience, tomshardware on occasion has helped create some unrealistic expectations about the performance of some new cards/drives/etc...even though they are usually careful to warn about the limited real-world applicability of their tests. Some readers just ignore the test environment, look at the end-result numbers, and spend their money.

I've come to generally trust Passmark's overall ratings when setting my expectations and making my purchases, but even those I take with a grain of salt, especially when it comes to new tech. I don't exclude tomshardware and others' test scenarios, but I also rely on my past negative experiences with making a purchase decision based solely on their numbers.


Interesting point, I've always followed Passmark for years now but also keeping in mind of Toms but really I just want a great upgrade from my 9800 GTX and I could go either or nvidia or amd could really care less, but obviously I would like superb performance that is why I don't mind paying $500 or whatever but then again if I can get similar performance on a cheaper card that works also

Seth Hoffman Feb 10, 2012, 02:32pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 10, 2012, 02:36pm EST

 
>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
If you're set on getting a top tier card, just get a 7970 and be done with it. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy last gens top tier when the new gen is out for slightly more money. If you're ok with spending $500 on a computer part what's another $50 to be the cool kid on the block with the trick new video card.

It's all overkill for single display gaming anyways. I have my GTX 580 DS's in SLI and nothing even comes close to pushing them. The only time I've seen my cards work hard is in Batman AC with the Physx maxed.

If you're main goal is to get a card that will play Diablo 3 maxed out, a $500 card is a waste of money.

BTW what are your other system specs? You may not have a system that can "feed" a 7970 or Dual 570s etc.


Ddanz Feb 11, 2012, 03:41pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
Seth Hoffman said:
If you're set on getting a top tier card, just get a 7970 and be done with it. In my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy last gens top tier when the new gen is out for slightly more money. If you're ok with spending $500 on a computer part what's another $50 to be the cool kid on the block with the trick new video card.

It's all overkill for single display gaming anyways. I have my GTX 580 DS's in SLI and nothing even comes close to pushing them. The only time I've seen my cards work hard is in Batman AC with the Physx maxed.

If you're main goal is to get a card that will play Diablo 3 maxed out, a $500 card is a waste of money.

BTW what are your other system specs? You may not have a system that can "feed" a 7970 or Dual 570s etc.


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Seth Hoffman Feb 12, 2012, 02:08am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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If I leave my 2600K at stock clocks (3.4Ghz) I see a performance drop in Furmark/Unigine/and 3DMark. Your Core i5-760 may bottleneck a 7970 or dual 570s\580s. Also if you're considering SLI or Crossfire you'll want to upgrade your power supply.


Ddanz Feb 12, 2012, 02:29am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Seth Hoffman said:
If I leave my 2600K at stock clocks (3.4Ghz) I see a performance drop in Furmark/Unigine/and 3DMark. Your Core i5-760 may bottleneck a 7970 or dual 570s\580s. Also if you're considering SLI or Crossfire you'll want to upgrade your power supply.


I will most likely be running a single card, here is the motherboard I have atm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131482 I believe at the time the i5-760 was the best one out when I purchased it back in Nov 2010 would I be able to upgrade my processor? or am I stuck with this one? Also would the 570 and 580 be overkill for D3?

Meats_Of_Evil Feb 12, 2012, 12:54pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I suspect that yes it will be overkill for Diablo 3 as I'm sure that it's not a game intended to push hardware on looks alone. Hell, I read they're optimizing the game so it can run on INtel and AMD IGP's or whatever they're called these days. I bet Diablo 3 won't look any better than how Starcraft 2 does at max settings. I agree that we need the next gen consoles to arrive so that developers start cranking up the graphics.

These are some of the best looking games imo:

1) Crysis - No matter what anyone says after all these years Crysis remains one of the best looking games to date.

2) The Witcher 2 - If you have the horsepower to enable Ubersampling then you'll be in for a treat.

3) Battlefield 3 - The PC version makes your eyeballs dance on the spectacle that is max settings.


Those are the ones that come to mind at the moment.

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Seth Hoffman Feb 12, 2012, 05:18pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Feb 12, 2012, 05:27pm EST

 
>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
For a single card solution I'd have to recommend a GTX 560Ti (not the 448 version), you can get one for about $230 and they compete with GTX570's in most benchmarks due to the new GPU architecture.

As I said before Diablo 3 is not very GPU intensive. It has been officially announced to have a console version, unclear on the release window for the console version. As to the statement above about being as good looking as Starcraft 2, I would say that's absolutely true. Diablo 3 is being developed with gameplay as the main priority. The graphics are good, but nothing special. On top of that, Blizzard has always made very optimized games to scale from an entry level PC to a top tier machine. Blizzard wants to get their game running on as many machines as possible to get their product into peoples homes, (hence Mac support out of the box for all their games).

I did some more research on the AMD 7970. That thing is a beast, and has some awesome power consumption specs. At idle it only consumes 15W, in ZeroPower mode only 3W. The 7970 has a max TDP of 250W which is pretty standard. So, given those numbers and your 750W supply you would have at best 500W left for your system which is plenty.

The 7970 bests even an EVGA GTX580 Classified which is just a heavily overclocked 580 by margins of 10FPS in most benchmarks. That's not bad considering the 7970 is $50 cheaper.

At the end of the day, if you have $500 to spend on a video card, and you want to have the best there is, get a 7970 and show it off for a month or two until the GTX600 series is launched...having the best of computer components is a short lived thrill.

As for the CPU situation, I would say it's not worth trying to upgrade the CPU and just go to socket 1155 if you have the means. You could go from your Core i5 760 2.8Ghz 4 thread CPU to a Core i7 880 and be at 2.93Ghz with 8 threads but unless you get a Core i7 875K and overclock it you're not going to see any difference.



Ddanz Feb 13, 2012, 02:01am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: GTX 570 or GTX580
Seth Hoffman said:
For a single card solution I'd have to recommend a GTX 560Ti (not the 448 version), you can get one for about $230 and they compete with GTX570's in most benchmarks due to the new GPU architecture.

As I said before Diablo 3 is not very GPU intensive. It has been officially announced to have a console version, unclear on the release window for the console version. As to the statement above about being as good looking as Starcraft 2, I would say that's absolutely true. Diablo 3 is being developed with gameplay as the main priority. The graphics are good, but nothing special. On top of that, Blizzard has always made very optimized games to scale from an entry level PC to a top tier machine. Blizzard wants to get their game running on as many machines as possible to get their product into peoples homes, (hence Mac support out of the box for all their games).

I did some more research on the AMD 7970. That thing is a beast, and has some awesome power consumption specs. At idle it only consumes 15W, in ZeroPower mode only 3W. The 7970 has a max TDP of 250W which is pretty standard. So, given those numbers and your 750W supply you would have at best 500W left for your system which is plenty.

The 7970 bests even an EVGA GTX580 Classified which is just a heavily overclocked 580 by margins of 10FPS in most benchmarks. That's not bad considering the 7970 is $50 cheaper.

At the end of the day, if you have $500 to spend on a video card, and you want to have the best there is, get a 7970 and show it off for a month or two until the GTX600 series is launched...having the best of computer components is a short lived thrill.

As for the CPU situation, I would say it's not worth trying to upgrade the CPU and just go to socket 1155 if you have the means. You could go from your Core i5 760 2.8Ghz 4 thread CPU to a Core i7 880 and be at 2.93Ghz with 8 threads but unless you get a Core i7 875K and overclock it you're not going to see any difference.



ahh ok, so after some thought if it's going to be overkill and going to be something better out in couple months, I will just go with the 560ti. How's this one? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130683 if you recommend something else let me know :) once again thanks for your help :D


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