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G. G. Apr 05, 2012, 03:45pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 05, 2012, 03:56pm EDT

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Hey all..... :P

Need a quick opinion as I am about to pull the trigger on said video card.

First off..... this is not my final choice but more of a get me by type of purchase until my next "real" build/upgrade.

Currently I have a Sapphire 4870 that is probably 3, maybe 4 years old by now... dont remember. BUT..... I think it having a slow death... well at least when it comes to 3D gaming. It runs fine in normal mode... but when I am gaming with BF3.... it lags really bad after about 1.5hrs or so... and that is with games setting to low and res to 1600. It starts of fine but after awhile it would lag really bad i.e. slide show.

But get this.... When BF3 came out... I used to be able to game a Medium in game settings at res 1920x just fine hours on in. NO issues... but of late.... I had to turn down the settings to even have any decent game play for any extended periods up to a point it starts to lag and then it is unplayable. As said, I had no issues before.

I'm thinking that the 3D portion of the card is starting to give up. By the way, it is not my internet.

So with that said.... For 130 bucks after discount and rebate..... is this 6870 going to give me any performance increase, the same, or less ????

I would love to get a GTX680, 7970, or 7950 BUT the pricing now-a-days is just wacked.

So I was figuring that a 6870 would be a good cheap route for now and still keep the same performance as I have before the issue and back at the original res 1920 and medium game settings (or more - im hoping) for now till when the real deal materialize.

Opinions????



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Reason   Apr 05, 2012, 07:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
I believe the 4870, 5850 (which I have) and 6870 are all about on par, or have incremental increases in performance at best, rather than large gains.

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john albrich Apr 06, 2012, 02:07am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
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You likely would see some real-world improvement...don't know if it's worth $130...(and that assumes the rebate is honored).

Before I spent the money, I'd try installing a new Windows system on a spare HDD (if you have one) with the appropriate graphics drivers and the game, and try to determine if the slowdown problem you are seeing isn't a software garbage accumulation problem.

Also, if there's a "local" demo mode to the game see if the problem exists in that mode on your original configuration and if it does, try it on the "new" installation as well. (that might bypass any game re-registration issues if such exist?). Using the demo mode might remove other variables as well so the problem may or may not show-up.

Although you've probably already looked into this...in case you haven't, you might also use a gpu monitoring program and check to see if the temps are unexpectedly high, and/or gpu clock is being throttled for some reason. You might just have a dirty heatsink or failing fan.

G. G. Apr 06, 2012, 11:03am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Guys, thanks for the reply.

I went ahead and pulled the trigger for this card.

john albrich said:
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You likely would see some real-world improvement...don't know if it's worth $130...(and that assumes the rebate is honored).......
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In regards to if it is worth the 130 bucks (after rebate if it goes through)?,,,,, Guess this is how I have to look at it.
a. Performance stays the same as my current HD4870 1GB. I am betting that I will get a small increase in performance because the 6870 is 2 series card newer, same video memory, and faster both for the core/mem freq speed. So it shouldnt be less thats for sure.
b. Newer feature sets like HDCP for BlueRay, DX11, able to run 3 monitors, newer antialias/tels stuff..
c. and I'm sure there are other newer "stuff" that my current card does not have.

Plus, at 130 vs 280+ (when introduced) is a good thing.

Also, even though I would love to get the newest card like the GTX680, 7970, or 7950.... ~500.00, ~600.00, and ~450.00 respectively is..... as said, just wacked.

On the otherhand, even if I could get one of those cards.... my current system will be very lacking and would be a ball and chain to the newest card and it would not be able to feed it properly. So in the end, it would be a whole lot more $$$$ to do it right, which at this time I am not willing to shell out 1500~1800 for a whole new upgrade. Gonna wait till Ivy Bridge has been out for a bit and sorted.

So right now this is just a stop gap for the current system.

To the part about temperature... I had thought about that.. the heatsink is clean as a whisle since I do regular maint. The fan is turning fine. I even manually speed up the fan to 85% to see if that makes any diff.. (it didnt). The temps for the gpu is good.

One thing I didnt monitor is my cpu.... I had monitor it at a steady state... but not while during gaming... I'll have to hook up my second monitor and have a temp utility on that screen to see if the temps are wacked during gaming..

anyhow.... the new card is on its way to arrive on Monday... hopefully all will flush out for the better.


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G. G. Apr 06, 2012, 11:10am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
Oh.... forgot to mention....

Every once in a blue moon.... while booting up... during the part where your screen goes to full color i.e. yellow, green, blue.... just before heading to desktop........ i would get a horizontal color smear/tearing image... as said... it has happened only 3 times in the past 9 months.. dont know if that has any relationship or not....

I have thoughts of a "gpu bake" on my mind here.....


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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 06, 2012, 06:40pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 06, 2012, 06:41pm EDT

 
>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
All I can say Banzai G.G. is to get ready to play BF3 on High! As the 6870 gives almost double the performance of the 4870:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/513?vs=540

I was gonna ask for you to check your temps but since you posted them all I can think of is that the card is old ass**t and just about to give up. I, on the other hand am still rocking with the 8800gt which surprises me of how well this card is made, I bought it when it came out! But it does show its age with games, I'm thinking of buying a GTX6xx when the prices settle for a bit.

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john albrich Apr 06, 2012, 07:05pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 06, 2012, 07:10pm EDT

 
>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
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After reading your last symptom post, I just thought I'd mention that depending on the motherboard and if a Northbridge chipset is involved, I've seen a defective NB module be the cause of very unusual video symptoms, even to the point where one time the output video looked like analog TV video syncronization problems on a DVI-D output. It was like looking at the intro to..."The Outer Limits"...
There is nothing wrong with your television set. Do not attempt to adjust the picture. We are controlling transmission...


On that motherboard the problem was atypically symptomatic at LOW NB module temperatures, and the video stabilized at higher NB temperatures, where normally one expects problems to become evident at higher temps.

All I'm saying is that system-caused video problems aren't limited to GPU/CPU/RAM/connector issues, and the symptoms can be all over the place, even looking like symptoms produced by "traditional" sources.


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clarified that the temperature problem was on the NB module, not the GPU or CPU on that particular system.

G. G. Apr 06, 2012, 10:51pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Meats_Of_Evil said:
All I can say Banzai G.G. is to get ready to play BF3 on High! As the 6870 gives almost double the performance of the 4870:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/513?vs=540



Meats... Thanks for the link!!! I see.... it is like 1.8~1.9X across the board increase in frame rate.. Wow... Now im stoked... both idle and load power is way down on the newer card. That will save me electricity $$$.. There will be less heat in my office because of the lower operating temps.... Noise level is about the same.. Later down the road, if I want to improve the temps and noise, guess i could just get an aftermarket cooler for it.

So if this is true, then I hope that this will improve my staying power in BF3 and i wont get so owned.. lol... but then again, maybe there is no help for me. LOL....



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G. G. Apr 06, 2012, 11:40pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
John,

Thanks for the info. I hear what you are saying about the NB temp... but.... I dont think I have that issue because the heatsink is pretty warm on the NB. And to add to that warmth, some of the heat from the GPU is dumped against the motherboard as the shroud on the gpu is not sealed. Heat can roll off the sink and onto the motherboard from the gap between the shroud and gpu board assy. I do have a 200mm side cover fan that blows air right on top of the gpu area so the heat that is generated in this area does get moved off quickly.

I guess we will soon see if a newer gpu will clear my issue.


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mothow Apr 08, 2012, 08:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 08, 2012, 08:23pm EDT

 
>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
Nothing wrong with the 6870..I was gonna get 1 to replace the seriously slowing 9800GTX in my backup / wifes machine.But we just bought a 2011 Mercury Milan(left over) so money is a bit tight atm

What about 6950?You can get them for a few more dollar's but they are good bit faster

http://www.hwcompare.com/6107/radeon-hd-6870-vs-radeon-hd-6950/
http://www.hwcompare.com/6043/radeon-hd-4870-1gb-vs-radeon-hd-6870/


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G. G. Apr 08, 2012, 11:21pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Apr 08, 2012, 11:23pm EDT

 
>> Re: ATI XFX HD-687A-ZHFC Radeon HD 6870
Hey tommie

Thanks for the compare links.

I pulled the trigger for the 6870 due to a few factors.

Mainly it was pricing. My final price is going to be 130.00 The lowest priced 6950 at Newegg is 250.00. I actually considered the 6950 but the price difference was quite a bit more than what I wanted to spend.... especially when it will only net me 5~6 frames between the two cards at 1920 res on the game I currently play i.e. Battlefield 3 All the other games I dont play.

Using Meats's link, I had compared the 6870 vs 6950 and the majority of the games they tested only net'd a 1 ~ 8 frames to the 6950. With the exception of Elder Scrolls (I think there is something buggard up for the 6870 on that one) and Bad Company 2 which I dont play anymore.

Another thing is with my current system with a Q9650 and 4GB of memory, I dont think it will be able to feed the 6950 enough to keep it at its full performance. Heck, even with a 6870 that is questionable as well.

And finally, by the time I get to build a whole new system, I really want to shoot for at at least a min of a 7950/GTX6X0 or 7970/GTX680 if pricing permits. So in another year or 2, these cards will be great for the picking due to even newer cards will be out and the 6950 will be really old.

My old/new 6870 is scheduled to be here tomorrow...yay..


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G. G. Apr 09, 2012, 07:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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wootie woot woot....

It is 7pm, just got home from work and my package from Newegg awaits me. Shipping package = great shape. Open the box = packaging in tack. Product = perfect shape and sealed...

ok... need to go change and then make a list of what I need to do... dang havent dont this in a good while...


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Meats_Of_Evil Apr 10, 2012, 06:08pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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'It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again." XD

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