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R Russo Sep 09, 2012, 11:44pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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This one will probably sound a little odd. Some years back I built what I believe was then a hotshot PC (well hotshot to me)
Asus A8nSLI Deluxe mobo
AMD athlon 64
1 gig corsair memory 2,2,2,5 (2x512) four slots are available
dual HD's w/striping
the power supply is at least 550 watts
dont remember the graphics card but it wasn't a 6800
then I installed a WIN xp 64 O/S...got everything to work all looked excellent
Then....I shut it down and never used again never went online with it
just shut it down!
first I believe the O/S should go (got fooled on that one) will buy whatever is best
is it possible to still make this a good (very good) gamer?
I am ready to buy new graphic cards, memory, power supply etc
its in a full size cabinet. I know alot of this is by now limited.
Am I wasting my time? at the very least what O/S should I get, so at least this machine wont go to waste?
If not, tell me what goodies I can buy to make it a a good gamer
I will paste the MOBO specs
I told you this would be an odd request!

CPU AMD Socket 939 Athlon64/Athlon64 FX/Athlon64 X2/ Processors
AMD Cool 'n' Quiet™ Technology
AMD 64 architecture enables simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing

Chipset NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP


Front Side Bus MHz 2000/1600 MT/s
Memory 4 x184-pin DIMM, Max. 4 GB, DDR 400/333/266 SDRAM ,ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture

Expansion Slots 2 x PCIe x16 *SLI mode : x8 , x8 *Default(Single VGA) mode : x16, x1
2 x PCIe x1
3 x PCI

Scalable Link Interface (SLI™) Support two identical NVIDIA SLI-Ready graphics cards Under Default(Single VGA) mode: supports all PCI Express graphics cards
ASUS EZ Plug
ASUS EZ Selector
ASUS two-slot thermal design
ASUS PEG Link
Storage Southbridge

Thanks to all for your help
Bob R

PS: when I built this PC a pair of GEFORCE 6800 ultras was the hot setup ( i believe they were about $400.00 each at that time!)


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Meats_Of_Evil Sep 10, 2012, 12:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
Now this may surprise you but you'll actually save more money building a system from scratch and with current generation parts than upgrading that POS ... lol j/k :P

If you'd be so kind and post your budget so we may help you further... I will look at this thread again tomorrow since its kinda late and give you some recommendations. Also, what will you be doing with your PC, if gaming, what kind of games and at what resolution.

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R Russo Sep 10, 2012, 02:36am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
That POS cost nearly 2k. a similar unit using the latest socket count (2011?) and a
southbridge i7, Asus MOBO would start around $900.00 plus, plus, plus
ok, can you at least suggest a O/S since Microsoft abandoned the WinXP64?




Bob R

john albrich Sep 10, 2012, 03:50am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
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Just an FYI, re: Win7 versions Microsoft support plans
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/77837/

Meats_Of_Evil Sep 10, 2012, 12:33pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

The good thing is, since Windows 7 you can use the same serial number for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. You only have 1GB of Ram so you'll see no benefit of using the 64-bit version.

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Dr. Peaceful Sep 10, 2012, 04:53pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
R Russo said:
This one will probably sound a little odd. Some years back I built what I believe was then a hotshot PC (well hotshot to me)
Asus A8nSLI Deluxe mobo
AMD athlon 64
1 gig corsair memory 2,2,2,5 (2x512) four slots are available
dual HD's w/striping
the power supply is at least 550 watts
dont remember the graphics card but it wasn't a 6800
then I installed a WIN xp 64 O/S...got everything to work all looked excellent
Then....I shut it down and never used again never went online with it
just shut it down!
...
I will paste the MOBO specs
I told you this would be an odd request!

CPU AMD Socket 939 Athlon64/Athlon64 FX/Athlon64 X2/ Processors
AMD Cool 'n' Quiet™ Technology
AMD 64 architecture enables simultaneous 32-bit and 64-bit computing

Chipset NVIDIA nForce 4 SLI MCP
...

Well, not too odd really. You built this in the peak of the PC building enthusiasts era. At the time, it was not unusual for someone to just build something to prove it can be done, but not really utilizing the PC fully afterward. In fact, I have a similar situation as yours: I built a Athlon 64 (AM2 socket) with SLI video cards, RAID 0, and what-not's back in 2007. While not to the extreme of just shut it down after it's built it like your case, but the number of times I used the machine for something can be counted in the last 5 years. And most of times when I used it was for testing / tweaking around with OS's and hardware.

Anyway, the problem with your board is that there is no official Win 7 drivers (as far as I know, please prove me wrong though) for nForce 4 chipset! That means you are stuck with Vista or lower Windows versions. Vista 64 bits wasn't that bad really, if you can get your hands on one. Or you can try install and play with some of the Linux distros, like Ubuntu.

May help with more RAM and a better video card. But again, limited by the board! You can only use DDR 1 memory. There may be compatibility issues with newer video cards with again, the nForce 4 chip. Forgettabout HD with nForce 4 also, it's designed before HD became popular.

The things you can still use your machine for are: a work horse (word processing, spread sheets, writing codes); OR a single purpose server (serving files, firewall, etc). I have to agree with Meats that's cheaper and quicker to build new.

john albrich Sep 10, 2012, 07:23pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Sep 10, 2012, 07:40pm EDT

 
>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
Meats_Of_Evil said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986
The good thing is, since Windows 7 you can use the same serial number for both 32-bit and 64-bit versions. You only have 1GB of Ram so you'll see no benefit of using the 64-bit version.


Re the referenced Newegg item number...keep in mind that if Microsoft holds to plan, The Win7 Home Premium support will end Jan 2015 (a bit over 2 years from now). Microsoft claims Win7 Professional (which also comes in 32 and 64bit flavors) will be supported until Jan 2020.

Major shift in Microsoft's Windows 7 Support Plan

Just reviewed the support chart, and apparently Microsoft has revised their support plans for Win7...once again revising their plans DOWNWARD and screwing the consumers/businesses.

It now looks like all Win7 editions get "full" support until 2015, and then ALL editions get only security update support until 2020.

edit:
per footnote 13 for the Wikipedia entry, this support change was made Feb2012. This post edited accordingly, and I will edit my original thread as well.

Meats_Of_Evil Sep 10, 2012, 10:00pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
I can see why for some that change is bad, but I don't see myself using Windows 7 on 2015, unless of course Microsoft goes down the crapper and develops even crappier OS's.

Still, thank you for the info john, this kind of information I only find it through you lol.

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Dr. Peaceful Sep 11, 2012, 12:18am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
john albrich said:
...Major shift in Microsoft's Windows 7 Support Plan

Just reviewed the support chart, and apparently Microsoft has revised their support plans for Win7...once again revising their plans DOWNWARD and screwing the consumers/businesses.

It now looks like all Win7 editions get "full" support until 2015, and then ALL editions get only security update support until 2020...

Well sucks for businesses that have upgraded to Win7 not long ago, when most just want to keep the same OS platform for as long as possible to save money. But don't think it will really hurt the consumers, except may be for tech heads like us. For countless times, I've seen other users' computers with hardly any Win updates, trailing way behind on critical patches. I highly doubt for users like that, they would really care about when M$ will stop supports, when they stopped support to their own OS's a long time ago. ;)

I guest what M$ are thinking: one, don't want to repeat the same dragged on and on support of WinXP (even needed to offer an XP VM mode in Win7); two, Win8 is mostly an improved version of Win7 for its desktop interface, so expect consumers and businesses to jump on board quickly due to the familiar interface. Hence don't want / need to retain the support longer.

kOrny Sep 11, 2012, 03:43am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade
It depends on the games you want to play. With a decent video card you'd be able to play some older games for sure.

R Russo Sep 16, 2012, 12:48am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: A Real challenge for an "impossible" upgrade II
Ok, so what I have gathered out of all this is Vista is the way to go.
So, how about this, upgrading to 4GB finding a Graphics card compatable w/the above MoBo (if possible) and win 7
i guess at the end I would like to play some of the newer shoot-em ups dont care too much about HD
OR
do the 4gb upgrade and get winxp and be happy! and build a 2055 based unit later.

Thankd
Bob R


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