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Meats_Of_Evil Sep 25, 2012, 10:50pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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As the title says, been using version 6.2 (Build 9200) which I got fo' free from the Academic Software alliance thingy from the Univeristy. Installed since today lol, but I've gotten the hang of it. To all forum members, if there's still anyone left! Go ahead and ask me anything to see if Windows 8 is for you!


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Afrow UK Sep 26, 2012, 06:53am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
I've been using Windows 8 since June (Release Preview + RTM) for Metro app development (VS 2012) on a virtual machine. I will also have it installed on a new Thinkpad T430 soon but I will not be installing it on my desktop.

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Dr. Peaceful Sep 26, 2012, 02:33pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Meats_Of_Evil said:
To all forum members, if there's still anyone left! Go ahead and ask me anything to see if Windows 8 is for you!

Does it have windows? ;)
Oh, will it blend? XD

Meats_Of_Evil Sep 27, 2012, 02:38am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Lol yes it has "Windows".

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mothow Sep 29, 2012, 04:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
So how bad does it suck really?Is it better than W7?

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Well from what I've noticed you can say its better in performance, booting and wakeup times are incredible. As for the Metro interface I say its an acquired taste, it only detracts from using the PC imho, and it feels like it fragments the overall user experience instead of enhancing it since for the majority of things one normally does on a PC it will use the Desktop which is just Windows 7. So what you get is a constant back and forth switching from "cool" Metro to "normal" Desktop. Now, the animations are perfectly smooth and do enhance the experience somewhat and this a good thing since my laptop can't even run HD content without crapping out.

The best thing about Windows 8 was how easy it was to install. It's very similar to Windows 7 but when it comes to the actual finishing steps it goes into a dark screen and it says "Hello" and from there on it gives you proper introductions to Windows 8 and some tips on how to use it, I thought that was pretty cool. Then after it finished the initial setup you're done, that's it! No installing anything! It installed every driver for my laptop and it has worked perfectly. The only driver I had to install was the printer's but even then Windows 8 just looked for it on the Internet and I choose the model on the given list. I never had to open a web browser to hunt down the specific driver for my printer model. So they win on ease of use for the normal consumer.

Now, the Os is very tablet oriented, you can feel it just by using Metro, it kind of p**ses me off. And surely you'll have to stop and think how the hell to do some things when you use Metro. I'm not too crazy about Metro, it honestly feels like a revamp of Windows Media Center which sucked ass imo but you don't have to use it. The start button got changed its not a round orb, what you get is a tile which will only pop up when you move the mouse cursor to the lower left corner and when you click it it will take you into Metro Land.

I can go on describing but I don't want to. If you have any more questions I will answer them. If you're still wondering if I recommend buying then NO, I do not. The reason being that since you have to use the desktop interface for almost everything and it is just like Windows 7 then just stay with Windows 7. Unless of course you're looking for the best performance no matter how minuscule, in that case yes go to Windows 8 because it is faster than 7 and as I mentioned the boot times and wake up times are just amazing and this comes from a laptop with a 5400rpm hard drive.

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mothow Oct 08, 2012, 06:11pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Thanks Meats.Sounds like what ive heard from a few others that have been running it.If i had a touch screen monitor then i might go with it but i dont..lol.Sounds like its gonnna be a flop for desktop user's

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
I used Windows 8 for awhile, and generally liked it. And, yeah, as Meats said, Microsoft did a lot of under-the-hood improvements for it -- it was nice. I reverted back to Windows 7 only because Intel was being lazy at providing driver support for my laptop's aging GMA x4500MHD graphics, so it had poor Flash performance (who knew?) and no OpenGL implementation (so no Minecraft, which was the final straw).

Overall, though, I like it.

Moms Hugs Oct 19, 2012, 12:38pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Meats ~ I do have a bunch of Qs... if you would be so kind to help me.

First off - my Toshiba Satellite (A105-S101) is almost 7 years old with a shot battery & the slightest jiggle disconnects the AC. So... I am looking at buying a new laptop or tablet. Not sure about tablets since I type a lot & used to keyboard shortcuts, including the alt-arrows. I can upgrade to Windows 7, but haven't since it doesn't support Outlook Express, which isn't going to be supported anyway after 2013. However, I canceled cable to save $$ & now use gmail with a Verizon Jetpak for Internet access. Still... miss OE!

Q-1. Should I upgrade my laptop to Win7 now to get used to it first?
Q-2. If Win7 works on my laptop, will Win8 also work?
Q-3. If Win8 won't work on my laptop, should I get a new laptop rather than tablet?
Q-4. If new laptop, what brands do you recommend (other than Toshiba!)?
Q-5. If recommend moving to a tablet, what brands do you recommend?
Q-6. Do the new tablets have larger screens than Kindle Fire?
(My Kindle Fire is ok, but I still prefer reading a larger screen.)

Please add whatever else you think would be helpful.
TIA! MomsHugs aka Eve

Meats_Of_Evil Oct 20, 2012, 12:25am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Moms Hugs said:
Meats ~ I do have a bunch of Qs... if you would be so kind to help me.


Certainly!

Q-1. Should I upgrade my laptop to Win7 now to get used to it first?
Your current laptop is very old in terms of hardware and Operating System, which I assume its Windows XP. You will certainly notice a drastic difference in terms of speed and responsiveness if you buy a new laptop, if you want tell us your budget and what you will be using it the laptop for we will help you choose something that is adequate for you.

The change from Windows XP and Windows 7 isn't so drastic as with Windows 8, I would suggest using Windows 7 since it is much more stable than Windows XP, everything is more organized and a lot of changes were made to the OS so it is more user friendly.

Q-2. If Win7 works on my laptop, will Win8 also work?
Your current Toshiba Satellite laptop is not capable of running Windows 7 unless it gets a major Ram upgrade which is not worth it since DDR Ram is obsolete and it is very costly. But any desktop or laptop you buy nowadays will definitely support Windows 7 and Windows 8 since they both have almost the same requirements.

Q-3. If Win8 won't work on my laptop, should I get a new laptop rather than tablet?
On your current laptop Windows 8 will not work but if you buy a new laptop it will certainly work.

Q-4. If new laptop, what brands do you recommend (other than Toshiba!)?
Well here is where it gets tricky. I personally like HP since I'm still using the same laptop I bought 5 years ago and apart from the PSU which had to be changed everything else is working perfectly. But! I have 2 friends which had a very similar model as mine and theirs didn't last as long, one died and the other one was in an unusable condition. It could be they were very unlucky or that I take extremely good care of all my electronic equipment, we'll never know for sure.

From the latest survey's I have read in customer satisfaction Lenovo and Asus have had the lead for quite a while below Apple. I would suggest either of those brands if you don't want to buy another Toshiba, which coincidentally from what I've read it is a very reliable brand.

Q-5. If recommend moving to a tablet, what brands do you recommend?
I do not own a tablet since my phone already provides me the small benefits of a tablet and I have my kick ass desktop at home and my laptop for "mobile purposes".

My recommendation is to go with your budget, if you don't mind then an Ipad 2 or Ipad 3 will serve you well, but if you're more limited I suggest the new Nexus 7 tablet which is very affordable and performs rather well. I would advise you to wait a bit until Microsoft release their line of tablets, because even if you do not intend to buy them other brands will definitely lower price in the spirit of competition so you will only benefit if you wait.

Q-6. Do the new tablets have larger screens than Kindle Fire?
(My Kindle Fire is ok, but I still prefer reading a larger screen.)

The Kindle Fire has a 7 inch screen, Samsung tablets and the iPad have a screen size of 9 to 10 inches if I'm not mistaken. But with the upcoming Windows 8 OS there will be a plethora of new touch screen devices, I've seen some laptop/tablet hybrids which have a scree size ranging from 10 to 14 inches! Things are about to get very exciting in the tech world.

Here are some of the upcoming hybrids:
http://blog.laptopmag.com/top-windows-8-tablet-laptop-hybrids


Any more questions let me know.


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Moms Hugs Oct 20, 2012, 11:09pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Thank you, Meats-of-E for the good advice & link! Most helpful... especially advice to wait & see what all comes along with Win8 & the hybrids. I agree the stars are crossing where hardware & software are concerned to make this an exciting time for tech. Seems Moore's Law is right on time! I hope Win8 will work with My Book that I use for backup.

My budget can handle a mid-price range. I believe in getting what we pay for actually, so my focus is on quality, not cheap. I've tried my kids' Apple/Mac & didn't like it largely because I'm used to keyboard shortcuts & MS Office. I type a lot of financial & writing work on my lap & read a considerable amount of online information. Your suggestion of using a hybrid fits my use the best; however, I prefer

I notice most posts on this website are gamers & their needs are vastly different than mine, but here are some items from posts I took note of:

1. AMD w/ A6 will have 4 actual cores (not 2 cores and 2 fake cores) - A6 is a quad core processor whereas the i3 is a dual core processor for better video. Laptop with an A6 not on sale is about $100 more & worth the difference. Make sure it's a 6-cell (only ASUS uses 4 cell).
2. HDMI is needed to stream movies online to watch on HD/TV. Monoprice has a USB HDMI adaptor or <$40. USB 2.0 to HDMI® Display Adapter w/ Audio (1920 x 1080) [monoprice.com] Not needed to stream movies from NetFlix or Amazon using Roku XS. Would I really need BluRay?
3. Memory: 6-8GB & accelerator graphics.
4. MS Office: watch for promotions - maybe w/ Win7.
5. Battery: Don't get 4-cell battery - need to 6 or 8 cells.
6. Keyboard: chiclet style (I'm used to it)
7. Screen: matte (no glare) - Sager notebooks have matte screen & 1920x1200.
8. Notebook/Tablet Hybrids - best of both worlds.

Please comment on them & thanks again. Hope you're having a nice wkend.

Hugs ~ Moms aka Eve

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Forgot to mention that my Toshiba's OS is WinXP, but added extra RAM at purchase & had it reformated then reloaded w/o bloat. HD had to be replaced at 2-1/2 yrs despite keeping it clean - outside & inside (CCleaner + small freeware programs & defragged). Like all machines, they work much better with regular maintenance.

Btw... I watched Windows 8 on a YouTube video. My first reaction was aesthetic - those tiles look clunky, not a cool sophisticated design. But, hey, I used to look sophisticated but have gotten clunky-looking with age - just don't expect a youngster to look clunky. Maybe it's aimed at 'old folks' - bigger the tiles, the easier to use... especially as our eyesight fails us.
:~

Afrow UK Oct 21, 2012, 05:26am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
I am thinking of buying a Microsoft Surface at the end of the month. I'd recommend checking them out! For new laptops though I always go with Dell or Lenovo. I've had more than a couple of each over the years and I've never had any issues with them - they are all still working but have been passed down to others as I upgrade ;)

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
A little history -- I began learning about computers writing code on IBM cards in business college (mid-'70s). First job, I insisted on having a workstation for myself, an assistant & a secretary. I taught them to use basic commands & then got WordPerfect + Lotus. When a couple guys in accounting & engineering saw how efficient we were, they got workstations for their departments, too. Later I outfitted our dept with 6 Gateway PCs, doubled RAM & linked everyone by an ethernet system, then taught them all to use Windows. Wasn't long before a corp "intranet" was born. Sounds ancient, doesn't it?? :_)

I've had 2 laptops - first in '94 was a 40MB NEC Versa (Win3.1) + Bernoulli in the docking station. NEC's tech support was superb - even walked me through a BIOS/CMOS upgrade the old-fashioned way - using a floppy & lines of code. In '99 I went to a Dell PC (Win98) & when its HD croaked in early '06 & I got this Toshiba Satellite (WinXP). Hardware problem include HD croaked w/in 3 yrs & replaced (under ext. warranty), plus 2 batteries croaked & this last year the AC adapter isn't tight anymore. So, I guess 2 laptops in 18 years isn't a bad record!

Meats_Of_Evil Oct 21, 2012, 05:53pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Moms Hugs said:
...I notice most posts on this website are gamers & their needs are vastly different than mine, but here are some items from posts I took note of:


1. AMD w/ A6 will have 4 actual cores (not 2 cores and 2 fake cores) - A6 is a quad core processor whereas the i3 is a dual core processor for better video. Laptop with an A6 not on sale is about $100 more & worth the difference. Make sure it's a 6-cell (only ASUS uses 4 cell).

Here is where it gets tricky and I will try and provide as much information for you to decide for yourself. The battle for performance between AMD and Intel has been going on forever, but for the past couple of years Intel has been the performance king. But AMD turned to another strategy in where they sell their CPU's for a very low price to compensate for the loss of performance when compared to Intel. As time passed so came the Accelerated Processing Units or APU for short and here is where it gets interesting. The main benefit you get from the APU's is that instead of needing a discreet video card (GPU) or an integrated chip on the motherboard you now get it inside the CPU itself, so this makes it better in terms of energy, heat and space efficiency. So now you're left with the choice; Do I buy a Quad core AMD-A6 or a Dual core Intel Core i5? Well, as you noticed most people here are gamers and generally look for hardware that gives them the best in-game performance and this is where the AMD APU shines, since the GPU part of the APU gives you way better performance in games than Intel, BUT! when it comes to CPU performance Intel still takes the crown. So, considering what you'll be using your laptop for I will suggest you'd go with an Intel Core i5 since it is a better performer than anything that AMD has to offer. This is not to say, that AMD is bad on CPU performance or that the Intel Core i5 is awful on video performance but there are clear differences between the two.


2. HDMI is needed to stream movies online to watch on HD/TV. Monoprice has a USB HDMI adaptor or <$40. USB 2.0 to HDMI® Display Adapter w/ Audio (1920 x 1080) [monoprice.com] Not needed to stream movies from NetFlix or Amazon using Roku XS. Would I really need BluRay?

If you have a laptop with an HDMI out port and an HDTV with a free HDMI in port then you will only need an HDMI cable to display video from your laptop on your TV. Go for the cheap cables as the expensive ones are a rip-off in my honest opinion.


3. Memory: 6-8GB & accelerator graphics.
The more memory you have the more stuff you can do at once. Minimum should be 4gb to have a good experience. Accelerator graphics? Not quite sure what that is, generally is just a fancy word for marketing but I could be wrong, if you'd be so kind as to provide more info.


4. MS Office: watch for promotions - maybe w/ Win7.
Indeed, now that Windows 8 is due for arrival I'm sure you'll see lots of offers to upgrade software for cheap.


5. Battery: Don't get 4-cell battery - need to 6 or 8 cells.
Generally the more cells the more battery time you'll get. You can always buy a 12 cell battery, but they can be quite expensive if non generic. To make your battery last just be sure to not leave it plugged always to the AC adapter and when not in use disconnect it.


6. Keyboard: chiclet style (I'm used to it)
Whatever works :)


7. Screen: matte (no glare) - Sager notebooks have matte screen & 1920x1200.
If you're buying from a store make sure you're absolutely sure what kind of screen you're getting, I always hate buying from stores since the boxes sometimes aren't helpful in describing specs.


8. Notebook/Tablet Hybrids - best of both worlds.
Hell yeah, I'm keeping my eye on those lol.


Any more questions let me know. Have a nice day.

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
To Moms Hugs' questions. Basically Meats has answered your questions in details. Here are just my comments.

The Kindle Fire is basically a locked up Android tablet with Amazon's own software (unless you root it). It's not much differ from other general purpose Android tablets (e.g. Asus Transformer Pad, Samsung Galaxy Tab), except for those you can more freely use the Android interface. From my experience, you can NOT do serious work with these tablets, aside from surfing the net, playing games, and getting some apps from Google Play or other sources. Doesn't matter what screen size it is, it's the same way. Just an example, one of the essential functions of PCs is to explore and manage files, Android simply does not provide a native solution for that. I find it completely ridiculous that you have to rely on 3rd party apps for browsing your files!

Win8 tablets are suppose to change all that, since it combines tablet capability with the good old Windows features. But at this point, since it's just coming out to the market, it is quite expensive and not a whole lot of choices to choose from. And as always for Windows... any time you open your windows, you may have bugs getting in, LOL. ;) So, I would recommend to wait a few months for the bugs to iron out, for more products to come out, and for the price to come down a bit.

For your old laptop, like Meats said above, you will need hardware upgrade (RAM and perhaps hard drive), in addition to upgrade to Win7. It's not worth to upgrade to Win8, since you won't be able to do touch screen, Win7 will cover most of the desktop features of Win8. Not to mention some of the hardware may not have drivers for Win8 (so may be incompatible). However, for the money of getting a copy of Win7 and laptop parts, as well as the amount of effort for SW/HW upgrades and file migrations, I would say just get a new laptop. If you really want a new laptop now, even it's in Win7, most likely you are eligible for a free upgrade to Win8.

Bottom line, if you want the latest and greatest Win8 tablet or hybrid, wait for it. But if you just want a new laptop, there are plenty of them to choose from out there, and there are gaming geeks here that may help you pick out the optimal hardware. Same thing if you want to venture to make your old laptop to do some new tricks, there are laptop geeks here that may help you out with that too. Though, there are not many geeks hang around here anymore, LOL. ;)

Moms Hugs Nov 08, 2012, 10:46pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Thank you Meats/Evil & Doc Paz! Sorry it has taken so long to get back here. Took awhile to get over combined strep throat & upper resp. infection. Still coughing, but much better now.

I will be buying a new laptop since this old one has only 2 min. battery left. Plus AC doesn't want to sit up straight in its socket so only a little jiggle causes a sudden battery drain & it shuts off if I don't notice, which happens quite frequently. I've been practicing using gmail & Dropbox to prepare for losing OutlookExpress w/Win7.

SO... BRING IT ON, BOYS! Give me your best advice for a new laptop - Win7 is fine for my usage. The kiddies can try out Win8 & the hybrids on the playground for awhile.

Thanks so much for all your help & advice! Hugs to you ~ Moms

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Thank you, Afrow UK! I've read that people who, like me, prefer chiclet style keyboards may not like the Surface keyboard. After you ck it out, please let me know what you think.

I bought a new Dell PC w/Win98. Worked okay, but had a few problems. Dell outsourced support call center to India, which subcontracted to other countries, and I had a devil of a time understanding the poor souls who tried to answer questions. Dell lost my business when they outsourced sales & I tried to buy a laptop over the phone. <sighing heavily about now>

I know zip about Lenovo, so please educate me about that brand.
Thanks again! Hugs ~ Moms

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
You won't miss Outlook Express, in fact you shouldn't use it any more. It's a security vulnerability and it's out of date! Been a long time since it's a standard practice in many companies, to remove it from Windows install options for end user PCs.

Lenovo is formerly IBM. IBM sold off their consumer PCs business to a Chinese company, and since been renamed to Lenovo. Good thing they preserved the legacy of the IBM products. They are still one of the best in business laptops, such as the Thinkpad series. Their consumer level laptops seem to be quality as well. Check out their website for current products.

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Dr.P ~ Thank you for the feedback on OE & Lenovo. I'm still receiving MS/OE security patches, but that will stop in 2013. Surely someone could build a more secure OE program!

I take it you think, but for still containing IBM's legacy products, the Lenovo would be a good candidate for the trash?

I am going to start a new thread now Win7 laptops to get people's recommendations.

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>> Re: Been using Windows 8 final build... ask me anything!
Do you think using margarine instead of butter really makes a grilled cheese sandwich taste bad?

EDIT: Well you did say ask me anything!

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