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GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 02, 2012, 01:38pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi guys! been a while, but good to be back, i got some problems with my rigg giving me random bccode x101, this can be when surfin the net, or playin a game, but never when idle.



Problem signature:
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1
Locale ID: 1053

Additional information about the problem:
BCCode: 101
BCP1: 0000000000000019
BCP2: 0000000000000000
BCP3: FFFFF880009B2180
BCP4: 0000000000000004
OS Version: 6_1_7600
Service Pack: 0_0
Product: 256_1

Files that help describe the problem:
C:\Windows\Minidump\120112-14055-01.dmp
C:\Users\GtoXed i7\AppData\Local\Temp\WER-29499-0.sysdata.xml

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from what ive been reading is that it could be anything from harddrive issue, to mobo issue, to ram issue, to cpu issue, to driver issue etc.. which makes this problem very hard to diagnose.

Ive tried these things;

-switch ram (generic samsung ram from corsair xms3 1333)
-Os reinstall
-switch cpu (had a 2600k earlier, now it has a 2700k.)
-Passes intel burn test
-temps are stable


Ive tried these settings in bios:
bclk frequency 100
turbo ratio: by all cores, 36 (what does this do?)
internal pll voltage disabled
epu power saving disabled
dram voltage: 1.5v
vccio voltage 1.050
pch voltage 1.050
load line calibration: disabled
cpu spread rectum disabled

it worked for a night until i got a bsod this morning. now ive tried using oc tuner which brings up the processor to 3.7ghz i believe.. ive had 2 bsod since then in the course of 6 hours.



Questions i have;
-could it be one of the harddrives?
-i heard my p8p67-m pro doesnt have any manual vcore voltage. is my cpu undervolted or something?
-is it my gpu?
-is it the motherboard itself?

Setup with the issue is the main rig in my sig.

Pic of coretemp and cpu-z specs;
[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/2zh057d.jpg[/IMG]


Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
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GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 03, 2012, 09:32am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
sorry to bump but i really need help!

Could it be that my mobo isnt giving sufficient power to the cpu? since most people claim 101 could be related to bad OC (and im not ocing, doing stock), which in return could be insufficient power to the cpu?

Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
Dr. Peaceful Dec 03, 2012, 09:44am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
Check the .dmp and .xml file to see if there's additional information there regarding the error.

GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 04, 2012, 03:45am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
okay do u want me to upload the whole file? ive never been good at reading DMP files...

this cr*p is driving me crazy! so i brought over a friend for the night who's also tech savvy and i wanted to show him my problem so i let him sit in front of my computer and play HON, farcry 3, hitman absolution... he was playing them into the midnights almost without a single BSOD!

my friend was saying he thought it could be the psu (a little over 2 years old), but would it not collapse from such intense gaming in that case?

one thing that strikes me is that i did not have origin running this day.. could origin be bluescreening me? its the only "conspiracy theory" i can think of :P

and generally; it could be one of these things;

-PSU
-Harddrives (5 in total plugged in + 1 sata)
-mobo


Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
Dr. Peaceful Dec 04, 2012, 08:12am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
Multiple sources out there are pointing this BCCode 101 error to the CPU. You should look at your .dmp file to see if you can find "CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" in there. If you do, then it's definitely a CPU problem. The CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT error is caused by cores in the CPU not working in sync.

This guy also have a i7 system:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-sys...4af3d27b21

Here's M$'s official descriptions:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff557211%28v=VS.85%29.aspx

GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 04, 2012, 09:40am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
thanks, yea ive heard about that too.. im gonna look it up as soon as i come home, i pray to god it isnt the CPU cause then i gotta find that damn box for it.

Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 04, 2012, 09:42am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 04, 2012, 09:44am EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
Dr. řaz said:
Multiple sources out there are pointing this BCCode 101 error to the CPU. You should look at your .dmp file to see if you can find "CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT" in there. If you do, then it's definitely a CPU problem. The CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT error is caused by cores in the CPU not working in sync.

This guy also have a i7 system:
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-sys...4af3d27b21

Here's M$'s official descriptions:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff557211%28v=VS.85%29.aspx



Ah but Dr. Paz, i thought i already mentioned this, but this bccode has existed since i first built the pc, happened during when i had the 2600k in it (switched to 2700k in june), and problem still persisted.. but sure, ill check it out..

Also, ive never recieved that BCcode with clock_watchdog_timeout... (as far as i can remember)


Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
john albrich Dec 04, 2012, 12:26pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 04, 2012, 12:30pm EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
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Might try a system monitor that captures min/max values of various parameters like voltages and temps. Something similar to...
http://majorgeeks.com/Open_Hardware_Monitor_d6396.html

Monitoring various parms might help show if a PSU voltage rail or a clock is behaving too erratically. While erratic behavior may be caused by something other than the actual device itself (e.g. an erratic PSU reading could be caused by AC mains supply occasionally being outside acceptable input specs...voltage or frequency). Or it might show voltage instabilities caused by excessive PSU internal temperature due to a fan problem or failing component...something not usually directly monitored.

GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 04, 2012, 01:05pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
john, i like ure thinking, i frequently use HWmonitor for this type of stuff, is there anything you want me to pay particularly close attention to?

also, im having a real hard time figurin out how to view the dmp files. i found 2 when searching %SystemRoot%\MEMORY.DMP in the start menu, but maybe im doin it wrong? %systemroot% only brought me into the C disk.

heres a pic right now when im running intel burntest.

http://i50.tinypic.com/2q1f8ra.jpg

have a look at the Apple SSD thats in my rig. Could it be causing the problems? i never made (or knew) if there was any windows firmware, i popped it into my rig, formatted it and installed, and at least to me has been working as a charm (no indications that it would be faulty), win7 has already enabled trim and garbage collection on it.. but i dont know, maybe an apple ssd isnt meant for windows?

Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 04, 2012, 02:36pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 05, 2012, 07:33am EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
been sitting now watching sons of anarchy and letting the intelburntest go for a few hours now, been passing without a hitch, reaching 64c max in temp.... i feel dumbfounded. its been running at this OC tuner overclock at 3.7 ghz..


UPDATE:

So ive been thinking of everything possible that could cause this BSOD... now it hasnt happened for 2 days and i might see a resemblance.

see i have a 640gb harddrive that i use as temporary storage for some games. since ive been reinstalling i havent seen any link but now that i havent installed anything in 2 days, (and these files are grabbed from the 640gb disk), the hdd hasnt revved up.

im gonna try now and go into the harddrive, then play some games. lets see how this pans outs!

Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 05, 2012, 08:06am EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Edited: Dec 05, 2012, 08:26am EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
There, i have the info now:
CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT (101)
An expected clock interrupt was not received on a secondary processor in an
MP system within the allocated interval. This indicates that the specified
processor is hung and not processing interrupts.
Arguments:
Arg1: 0000000000000019, Clock interrupt time out interval in nominal clock ticks.
Arg2: 0000000000000000, 0.
Arg3: fffff880032f9180, The PRCB address of the hung processor.
Arg4: 0000000000000006, 0.

Debugging Details:
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BUGCHECK_STR: CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_8_PROC

CUSTOMER_CRASH_COUNT: 1

DEFAULT_BUCKET_ID: VISTA_DRIVER_FAULT

PROCESS_NAME: System (these have also appeared in process name; winrar.exe
bfbc2.exe
explorer.exe
system"

CURRENT_IRQL: d

STACK_TEXT:
fffff880`035e7488 fffff800`03031963 : 00000000`00000101 00000000`00000019 00000000`00000000 fffff880`032f9180 : nt!KeBugCheckEx
fffff880`035e7490 fffff800`0308cc97 : 00000000`00000000 fffff800`00000006 00000000`00002711 fffff800`031b44b1 : nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+0x4d8e
fffff880`035e7520 fffff800`035fa895 : fffff800`0361f460 fffff880`035e76d0 fffff800`0361f460 fffff800`00000000 : nt!KeUpdateSystemTime+0x377
fffff880`035e7620 fffff800`03080ab3 : 00000000`86be3f52 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 fffff800`032bd220 : hal!HalpHpetClockInterrupt+0x8d
fffff880`035e7650 fffff800`030b9733 : fffff880`035e7898 fffff800`031fde80 fffff880`035e7898 00000000`00044378 : nt!KiInterruptDispatchNoLock+0x163
fffff880`035e77e0 fffff800`030924dc : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00002e73 00000000`00000000 fffff800`03212888 : nt!KxFlushEntireTb+0xb7
fffff880`035e7820 fffff800`03098630 : 00000000`00002e73 00000000`00000001 00000000`00000000 00000000`00002e72 : nt!KeFlushMultipleRangeTb+0x28c
fffff880`035e78f0 fffff800`0310573e : fffff800`0320fb40 fffff880`00000001 00000000`00000001 fffff880`035e7b70 : nt!MiAgeWorkingSet+0x651
fffff880`035e7aa0 fffff800`03098da2 : 00000000`000078c2 00000000`00000000 fffffa80`00000000 00000000`00000002 : nt! ?? ::FNODOBFM::`string'+0x48bd6
fffff880`035e7b40 fffff800`0309902f : 00000000`00000008 fffff880`035e7bd0 00000000`00000001 fffffa80`00000000 : nt!MmWorkingSetManager+0x6e
fffff880`035e7b90 fffff800`0332396a : fffffa80`0671f040 00000000`00000080 fffffa80`066f09e0 00000000`00000001 : nt!KeBalanceSetManager+0x1c3
fffff880`035e7d00 fffff800`03062ac6 : fffff880`009b2180 fffffa80`0671f040 fffff880`009bd0c0 d210b5b4`0d367829 : nt!PspSystemThreadStartup+0x5a
fffff880`035e7d40 00000000`00000000 : 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 00000000`00000000 : nt!KxStartSystemThread+0x16


STACK_COMMAND: kb

SYMBOL_NAME: ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

FOLLOWUP_NAME: MachineOwner

MODULE_NAME: Unknown_Module

IMAGE_NAME: Unknown_Image

DEBUG_FLR_IMAGE_TIMESTAMP: 0

FAILURE_BUCKET_ID: X64_CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_8_PROC_ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

BUCKET_ID: X64_CLOCK_WATCHDOG_TIMEOUT_8_PROC_ANALYSIS_INCONCLUSIVE

Followup: MachineOwner



it says winrar is the source program..

but guys this clockdog watch thing, people say its the processor, but ive switched between 2 processors and the other ones working great so how???

Ive check the other dmp files,

so all in all these programs have cause the faults;
Default_bucket_id is alwasy Vista_driver_fault

winrar.exe
bfbc2.exe
explorer.exe
system


Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm
Dr. Peaceful Dec 05, 2012, 12:10pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
I actually noticed you said you swapped your CPUs before. But then the CPUs you used were quite similar to one another. Not to mention, it's always the same clock generator chip on your motherboard that does the synchronization, regardless of what CPUs you used.

I guess you clocked it so high that it craps out sometimes, that's why you see the error.

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Edited: Dec 05, 2012, 12:25pm EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
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I think the Watchdog is internal to the CPU, so it suggests suspects are: either bad CPU (but you tried 2 different CPUs (2600K and 2700K), temperature (which I think you indicated was OK), bad motherboard (injecting noise into CPU), or CPU voltage level or stability.

Since it's a simple power distribution on that board, CPU voltage might tend to be less stable.
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Everything-You-Need-to-...cuit/616/4

Have you tried varying the CPU voltage slightly? (I notice you said your motherboard may not support manual Vcore adjustments...have you confirmed that?)

Also, one might try varying how the clocks are setup (e.g. change the multiplier and compensate with other clocks as needed). Varying how the clocks/multipliers are setup might eliminate a possible timing "glitch" that occurs only under certain clock generator conditions. I've seen clock issues on data busses (e.g. when trying to debug a PCI bus) because of a mistake in a Programmable Logic Array used to set-up clock generation. There were setup conditions in which clock edges were occurring outside their prescribed intervals, or they were blocked from occurring during their allowed window (hence an expected clock was "missed").

Other than those, you might try a totally different series of CPU and/or different motherboard if you can gain access to either.

There was one more thing I was going to discuss, but I've forgotten what it was. Once again, the meds I'm on are having their way with my brain. I'll come back to it if I remember.


edit to add:
I see that while I was writing up my post, Dr. řaz was thinking along some of the same lines.

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Edited: Dec 09, 2012, 09:13am EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
guys let me make one thing clear for you; the stability issue has been using STOCK CLOCKS; basically it has not been OC;ed.

Now that ive let the OC tuner in ASUS auto oc it for me, it seems like the problem has dissappeared.

this computer has been left on in idle for like 3 days now (been sick so only been using my HTPC) and there has been no bsod as of yet.

My theory, (note that OC tuner has been known to kinda push the voltages high when autotuning, or so ive been reading on forums) is that the OC tuner is pushing the vcore up, and thereby keepign the processor stable. So maybe it is like im suspecting, it cant hold stable voltages @ stock??

this is what it looks liek when under minecraft load.. btw, what is a safe VID for my processor?
http://i48.tinypic.com/30tjbys.png

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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
If ram and cpu are fine then the most likely factor is the mobo itself. Have you checked to see if there's a bios update available? Maybe there are some compatibility issues. I noticed its a microatx mobo, I've never had one so I wouldn't know anything about it except that I sometimes read on Newegg reviews that bios updates fix a lot of hiccups many people have.

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Edited: Dec 09, 2012, 09:46pm EST

 
>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
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I didn't say the problem was due to you previously overclocking as causing the problem you described.

What I was talking about was pointing to potential motherboard issue(s). Potentially with the clock generation subsystem and/or the CPU voltage control subsystem (note that the CPU voltage control subsystem may have dependencies on the clock subsystem which could also affect CPU stability).

What my post came down to was suggesting that a possible error in the design of the "stock" clock subsystem on the motherboard could contribute to the problems you have been seeing.

When you used "Autotune" it basically performed the timing/clock manipulations I suggested you should try.

As you found, "Autotune" may have found a set of workaround clock timings and fixed the problem for all practical purposes. Note however that it may not be a permanent fix and other variables (e.g. heat, changing hardware configuration, firmware or driver changes, etc) could affect its long-term viability and you might have to manually "tune" Autotune's settings.


GtoX (capt Guns) said:
guys let me make one thing clear for you; the stability issue has been using STOCK CLOCKS; basically it has not been OC;ed.

Now that ive let the OC tuner in ASUS auto oc it for me, it seems like the problem has dissappeared.

this computer has been left on in idle for like 3 days now (been sick so only been using my HTPC) and there has been no bsod as of yet.

My theory, (note that OC tuner has been known to kinda push the voltages high when autotuning, or so ive been reading on forums) is that the OC tuner is pushing the vcore up, and thereby keepign the processor stable. So maybe it is like im suspecting, it cant hold stable voltages @ stock??....



edit to add:
I shouldn't just limit it to design issues. If there was a manufacturing problem it could also result in some of the circuitry being more sensitive to noise when operating at certain frequencies. For example, if a clock or data line's signal shaping components were damaged, missing, out of spec, or a wrong part installed (such does sometimes happen on the manufacturing floor), then that line might be unable to properly deliver/receive the digital signal at certain frequencies. Change the frequency of the signal and it might "get by"...at least under specific conditions.

Dr. Peaceful Dec 10, 2012, 12:24pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
If after OC, it's more stable than stock, by all mean leave it at OC. LOL ;) Problem solved! A bit counter logic for the board, but think about it that's why we need coffee to OC (Over Caffeine) ourselves, so we're more stable. XD

GtoX (capt Guns) Dec 12, 2012, 01:15pm EST Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Random Bccode x101, really need help!
yea ure right guys.. but from the forums ive been reading, my board doesnt support vcore changing, it only does it within OC tuner, which is like mentioned before, automatic.

i think i might need to change motherboards for peace of mind, however since i let the OC tuner kick in, the PC's been rock solid, played everygame i have now for a few days without problems..

i really am suspecting unstable vCore.

Main Rig--- 2700k @ 3.7ghz ,Scythe Samurai ZZ @ 54c load ASUS DCII GTX570 780mhz@64c load, P8P67-m Pro, 2x4gb xms3 1333mhz, 128gb SSD + 4x500gb lagring, OCZ Modxstream Pro 600watt, In-win Dragon Slayer 140mm+120+96mm,120mm

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