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angryhippy Mar 10, 2013, 07:40am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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The fan just died on my XFX Radeon HD 6850. This is the 3rd card the fan has crapped out on. Thank God for lifetime guarantees. They said they are gonna send me a different card. I've only owned 2 ATI cards and they both were crap. This is not a knock on XFX. Their support is responsive quick and no complaints. Not the issue here. The first 2 6850's had a lot of dust in them, but that should be cleanable easily. This one was replaced on Dec 28th 2012 Barely 2 months old. No dust issues this time. And the fan according to them is not replaceable so they have to send me a new card each time. The only positive thing I can say about the 6850 is I don't start getting artifacts and stuttering till it hits 102C. Normal termps during game play is in the 70C's. Too hot for normal use if you ask me. You know that's gonna be lowering life expectancy for any or all of the parts

I have an nVidia 7800GT running in one machine still. An EVGA 460GT running in my sons. My 9800GT that is my backup is what I'm posting this with. Has a passive ARCTIC Accelero S1 heat sink w/o fans and will not let the card go above 55C even when the ambient temps are summer time scorchers. Still running fine. Someone please slap me if I ever buy another Radeon ever again. My only issue is I just installed Crysis3 and it gives a pop up saying the game won't run on anything but a DX11 card, so I can't play that. Unless anyone knows of a DX11 emulator or any app program etc. I can use to play it? that would be sweet. I can't wait the week and a 1/2 it takes for the exchange to happen.


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G. G. Mar 14, 2013, 07:54pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
Hippy,

sorry to hear about your 6850 woes......

For me it has been an opposite experience to yours. I have always run ATI cards for years. I only recently got an a new nVidia card GTX670 for my new build. In the past I have always gotten the whole All-in-Wonder line up to the AIW X800pro. Then when the AIW series died, I moved to a HD4780 and then finally to a HD6870 in my current primary system. All have been great. BUT....... my HD6870 is by XFX with the single fan in the middle. If I had known that the fan was sooooo loud even set to 30% i would have spent a few dollar more to get the dual fan model which is said to be quiet. Other than the fan noise, the HD6870 from XFX runs great. But on this card, i couldnt stand the fan noise anymore that I upgraded the card with a Arctic Cooling cooler with dual fan which cools extremely way more and is completely silent.

Now on my new GTX670 by Galaxy with 1006ghz core... it is the full size card with the blower that pushes all the hot air out the back and I tell ya..... this son of a gun can put out some heat while playing BF3. Kinda like a heat gun set on high. Prior to going into BF3, i will set the fan speed to 66% (noise not too bad) the card will get up to 70C. The card will get up to 80C any less than 60% fan speed. This card is by far the hottest, heat wise than all the ATI cards I have now and in the past. But so far i am pleased with my new card.

Hey.... good luck on the 4th card... maybe you will be lucky and someone screw up and send you a hd7990 instead.....


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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
I'm guessing it will be an HD6870 maybe. Either way I'm definitely going to Arctic cooling. too bad my water cooler for my CPU doesn't have a GPU block on it. Side note. XFX considers anything to 100C as within the normal operating range. Mine was hitting 105C on Crysis3.But that was without a fan even though it says fan speed is at 100%

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
G. G. said:
...Prior to going into BF3, i will set the fan speed to 66% (noise not too bad) the card will get up to 70C. The card will get up to 80C any less than 60% fan speed....


Have you ever tried using the automated dynamic fan speed control elements in programs such as MSI Afterburn, Rivatuner, EVGAprecision, etc? They let YOU define the fan speed profile as a function of temperature. (e.g. 30%@40C, 40%@50C, 80%@60C, 83%@70C and so on.

This would free you from having to control the settings manually on a per application basis. It also lets you decide how much noise with which you're willing to put up for a given gpu temperature.

For example, I don't care if my GPU runs at 50C at a 30% fan setting using a fixed setpoint I defined (which by the way 30% typically yields about 35C for "normal" computer usage). If I simply used the card driver's default settings, it would be running the fan at "50%" even at lower temps and it would be much noisier, with no significant beneficial reduction in early card electronics failure...however at "50%" the cheap GPU fan is running at 1900RPM instead of 1000RPM (almost twice as fast) which leads to a significantly shortened fan lifespan. For some reason and something I'll never understand, most graphic cards (even the $200 models) seem to be manufactured with DIRT CHEAP crap fans.

Note: some of these programs may be limited to a specific manufacturer's graphic cards, but some can be used with just about any manufacturer's card.

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
Ya I use EVGA Precision and usually have the fan set to 100% for anything over 50C and use it for onscreen monitoring when I'm gaming. I use AIDA64 Extreme for monitoring CPU and CPU core temps and GPU temp and fan speed in the sys tray. I also use Razer Game Booster when I'm gaming which is a very cool program! If you've never tried it, it's worth checking out. It identifies then shuts down all non essential services needed while gaming, and can give you a 20-30% boost in performance. Great for Win7 which has a crap load of services running compared to what XP had. On my system it shuts down 28 services and some crap apps. I've never done a comparison between 7 and 8 to see if there is any advantages for gaming in 8. I'll have to check that out sometime.

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G. G. Mar 15, 2013, 10:48pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
yeah, right now I am messing around with Galaxy's own tuner app (my GTX670 is from Galaxy), just havent figured out how to make the profile stick. I can set the profile the way i want it and apply... it works... but if I leave the app and upon next boot up, everything is reset. I did all the usual as create profile, apply, save, and the sort..... but if i exit the app.... then upon the next boot and start of the app, all is reset.. but it's no big deal setting it up prior to gaming... I'm not much for having alot of software loaded up and then not using them.


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angryhippy Mar 16, 2013, 04:23am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
Download EVGA PrecisionX. http://www.evga.com/software/ don't know much about their other programs so won't comment on that. Install and open the program. When it opens click on monitoring. When the properties window opens click on Fan tab and check the Enable Software Automatic Fan Control box. A graph box will open. You set the temps with the fan speeds you want and click OK. Back at the main Adjustment module check the windows start up box. Then at the fan speed adjustment check the auto box. and if you want set your clocks up if you want to OC the card. Then click apply and minimize. It will minimize to the sys tray. You can also set up profiles if you want and hot keys for screen shots in properties. You can also set up monitoring fields in game or sys tray or both if you want on the monitoring tab. EVGA used to make you register to download it. You don't need an EVGA card to use it. If you'd rather not register you can download it from Guru3D or some of the other usual sites. Make sure you download PrecisionX and not Precision. That's the old one. Just don't forget to hit apply on the main window after you make any changes. I guarantee you'll enjoy the program. It's really quite good, or as the Harry Potter girl would say, "Brilliant!"

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G. G. Mar 21, 2013, 01:45am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hippy,

thanks a bunch... I got around to downloading EVGA Precision X and did what you said. It works nicely. But it didnt start up with windows even though the "Window Start Up" box was checked on the main display. I had to click on the Monitor and then into the General tab and enable it there. So now when I fire up BF3..... as the temps in the gpu gets higher, I can hear the fan ramp up and then when I exit the game, the fan ramp down as the temp returns to idle temp levels.

I may have to mess around with the OC portion of it but there is no need for it right now as my card is fatory OC already at 1006 on the core, i think 915 is default. Still, this son of a gun belch out some serious heat out the back of the case.

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They decided not to do the free upgrade after I've RMA'd 3 cards. But they are offering me a one time paid upgrade of $100 for a 6950 with 2gigs of DDR5 memory and the lifetime guarantee. I haven't decided if I should do it or not. 1st I gotta figure out how to get a $100...sigh. The card was originally $169 but I've already dumped $30+ on return shipping for the 3 RMA's. I gotta figure out if it's worth it. Anyone have any thoughts on that?

G.G. There's another start with windows on the properties window I forgot to mention. It's on the general tab. Start with windows and start minimized boxes.

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
I would the 6950 is a better card than a 6870.

opps didnt realize you had to pay the $100 i thought they were giving you a $100 upgrade over the 6850

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angryhippy Mar 25, 2013, 05:25am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Don't have a spare $100 laying around so it looks like I'm getting my 6850 replaced with the same card. Then I'm definitely dumping the fan and going for an Arctic Cooling after market solution.

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
yes, definitely the 6950 would be much better. BUT..... kinda weird that Newegg does not sell this model anymore. Not a single one. :(

My XFX 6870 was NOISY.... even at medium speed. Didnt cool as well either.

So..... decided to get one of those Arctic Coolers

This one - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186052

it is also compatible with a 6850 per this link - http://www.arctic.ac/en/p/cooling/vga/375/accelero-twin-turbo-...tml?c=2182

Pro's -
Silent (even at full throttle), I have mine on a fan controller.
Cools way better.

Con's -
end up having a 3 slot card
long install time (due to ram/pwr heatsinks letting the thermal bond to cure) BE patient and take your time.
be aware that by swapping out the factory fan to an aftermarke can and probably will void the warranty. Not sure about this. There are stickers on the screws that you need to remove the cooler that will fall apart when you remove them. You know.... the warranty stickers that fall apart once attempt to remove.

Besides the last point of the Con, if you dont mind that warranty has the possibility of ending.... I say go ahead and do it. If a video card can last 4 yrs and if it dies after this point its time to get a new one anyhow.


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Ya I have the Accelero Coolio 1 (or some such name) on my 9800GT without the fans. XFX lets you use aftermarket cooling if you can replace it with the stock fan when sending it in for RMA. Makes it kind of hard if you use the cement for the memory cooler heat sinks. Kind of a catch 22. I found if you use a cheap brand of superglue and a very thin layer, to attach the heat sinks, it gets brittle after a while and you can easily pop them off. The one on my 9800 was originally on my 8800GT Both lasted two or three years so there didn't seem to be any adverse effects not using a thermal glue.The cooler on the link you provided is the one I am planning on getting. The one on the 9800 was pretty amazing. It dropped the full tilt temps by 20C without fans.

EDIT: I think XFX is gonna be dropping the 6 series GPU's and moving on to the 7 series. I'm having a long wait for the repairs because they have been waiting for a shipment of 6 parts. They were out. Seems like (though no one there is saying so) that the cooling on these 6's were schite!

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
angryhippy said:
...Makes it kind of hard if you use the cement for the memory cooler heat sinks. Kind of a catch 22. I found if you use a cheap brand of superglue and a very thin layer, to attach the heat sinks, it gets brittle after a while and you can easily pop them off....


If you need better cooling than using superglue alone, you might consider trying this method of attaching the heatsinks.

I have NOT tried this on smaller memory chips, but my thinking is that it would provide superior cooling yet retain the ability to more easily separate the heatsink while reducing the chance of causing damage on removal. I'd experiment on one chip/heatsink first, and on a cheap or even failed card before committing to a more expensive card. I successfully have used a variation of this technique mounting temperature sensors in the lab.

1) Apply a smaller than normal amount of GOOD NON-adhesive/cement thermal compound to the chip and then seat the heatsink onto the chip. The intent of using a smaller amount than normal is to leave a very small amount of chip surface at the edge of the chip that has no compound.

2) Apply a very small bit of "thin" superglue on at least 2 edges of the chip/heatsink interface. Capillary action should draw in a small amount of glue at the interface. It can make things easier if you have access to and can use a superglue curing accelerant.

An alternative to step 2 would be to try using a non-superglue and rely on mechanical adhesion by "connecting" the heatsink to the chip without relying on any interior interface surface area to attach the two pieces. In this case, you would use the normal amount of thermal compound in step 1 to maximize compound coverage on the chip. Of course, this glue would have to be able to withstand any expected max temps, so the convenience of using a quick dab of "hot-glue" probably wouldn't work...even high-temp hot-glue might fail if it softens even a bit and the weight of a heat-sink allows it to "walk" down and/or about the chip over time with thermal cycling. Maybe a couple of dabs of "Goop" like glue or maybe even a couple of dabs of fingernail enamel paint applied on the edges would adequately secure a small heatsink. I don't know if thermal cycling would be a problem with fingernail enamel, but it's mechanically brittle enough that it would easily fracture if one needs to remove the heatsink. As with most superglues, acetone could be also used to remove any leftover fingernail enamel. Remember, I haven't tried this on any of the relatively small surface-mount video memory chips. It's just the result of me kind of free-thinking late at night.

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
Well I tried to let them know i couldn't afford the upgrade to the 6950, but their website has been down. Last night when I came home there was a box on the porch. I figured they just replaced the 6850 with another one, but when I opened it there was a 6870, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150506
Needless to say i was very pleased. At idle the fan is at 23% and the temp is at 46. I kicked the fan up to 100% and...jumpin' jesus on a pogo stick, that thing is at least twice as loud as any card I've ever heard. But since I almost always wear headphones when I'm gaming it's not an issue. Gonna go check out Crysis3 now. SEE YA!!!!!!!!!

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
Always nice when you come home to new stuff.I have a brand new H80 sitting in the box from a corsair's rma.Anyone intrested in a brand new H80 for $75 shipped still sealed in the box.Actually i like the H80 better tha the H80i

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I like that H80. I wish they had a model with CPU and GPU capabilities. got the 6870 up and running. Already having issues with intermittent artifacts...sigh.

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i have been in Duluth GA all last week for work.. Went to Fry's Electronic on 3 different occasions.. it was painful going into this store because trying to not pull out the wallet... lol.. BUT..... I was unsuccessful... in the end, I ended up getting a CM Storm Sirus headset and Corsair H80i (to replace my H50 in my new build).

Hippy -

Very glad that XFX bumped you up to a 6870 (most likely due to they are totally out of 6850 parts and no backfill on the horizon). I have a 6870 in my current system and she will do you just fine. great card. You may still want to consider getting the Arctic Cooler in the future to lower the temps and noise.


Mot -

What happened to your original H80 that you had to do a RMA?
Why do you like the H80 over the "i" version?
As far as the software utility for the H80i, I understand that it auto adjust the fans to cpu temps, but does it adjust the pump speed or is the pump speed a set speed???
Can you run the H80i without the software utility installed?
I may be interested in your H80


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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
angryhippy said:
I like that H80. I wish they had a model with CPU and GPU capabilities. got the 6870 up and running. Already having issues with intermittent artifacts...sigh.



Uh ohhhhh

Even though your installed Catalyst is valid with the newer card.... did you try completely remove the drivers and then reinstall with the latest to the new card?

When I replaced my 4870 with a 6870, i did the remove and reinstall of Cat.

Also, is your system OC'd? you might want to set the system back to default speeds to see if that makes any difference.

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
No my backup card is a nvidia, 9800GT so the catalyst drivers weren't installed. I'm checking out the Beta driver but same deal though not so bad in game play. I already have spent $30 on shipping 3 of their cards back. Lifetime guarantee but at least EVGA paid for return shipping. I'm gonna be totally pi$$ed if I have to send this one back too!?! Ya it's OC'd to 4.3GHz but it didn't bother the 6850's. All the returns were for faulty cooling fans. When it boots to the desktop there are artifacts. Didn't anyone frickin test these before they shipped 'em out??

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>> Re: POS ALERT! Radeon HD 6850
I feel your pain hippy I had a similar experience this past December when my 8800gt began acting up more than usual, where I would lose my monitor signal constantly to the point that the usual tricks of disconnecting the main PCI-ex power cable and changing it will not work anymore. So I RMA it to EVGA, note that this was the first time in almost 5 years that I RMA'd the card and after $30 in UPS shipping, they told me the card had rust damage and that basically it was my fault and it would cost $70 to fix. I made a thread on Tom's Hardware seeking advice.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/382231-33-evga-rust-consider...ge-charged

So in the end I got a GTX550Ti and managed to lower the "fix" price to $40 but I wasn't too happy with they way I got treated.

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