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john albrich Aug 15, 2013, 02:06pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/...62280.html
(Google says to a US court) Users of Google’s email service Gmail should have no “legitimate expectation” that their emails will remain private

Consumer Watchdog (CW), a US pressure group, described Google’s statement as a “stunning admission” of the extent to which internet users’ privacy is compromised.

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(Google) adds: “Indeed, a person has no legitimate expectation of privacy in information he voluntarily turns over to third parties.”

CW(Consumer Watchdog) spokesman John Simpson said: “Sending an email is like giving a letter to the Post Office. I expect the Post Office (a "third party") to deliver the letter based on the address written on the envelope. I don’t expect the mail carrier to open my letter and read it. When I send an email, I expect it to be delivered to the intended recipient with a Gmail account based on the email address; why would I expect its content will be intercepted by Google and read?”


Note: read those Terms of Service for any online service, and use encryption and anti-keylogging/tracking software as needed. A number of organizations including lawyers, doctors, and clergy use Gmail and similar services, opening themselves and their clients' personal and business data to other parties. You may even want to ask your attorney, doctor, etc if they use Gmail or other email/cloud services that provide data to third parties.


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Naveen Goud Aug 23, 2013, 02:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Google-Email Users Have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY
Hi,

May be the following post might be of some help.

http://storageservers.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/google-cloud-no...ncryption/

It implies to email services as well. The last para might will surely need your attention.

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Naveen Goud Aug 23, 2013, 02:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi,

May be the following post might be of some help.

http://storageservers.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/google-cloud-no...ncryption/

It implies to email services as well. The last para might will surely need your attention.

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john albrich Aug 23, 2013, 02:31pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Naveen Goud said:
...May be the following post might be of some help.
http://storageservers.wordpress.com/2013/08/16/google-cloud-no...ncryption/
It implies to email services as well. The last para might will surely need your attention.


Google's server encryption by Google does nothing to address the privacy issue from Google itself (the original topic of this thread), and clearly (as per the last paragraph in the article) doesn't address the secondary issue raised by the article itself vis-a-vis government surveillance.

(replace Google with Krang in my first sentence :) )

Naveen Goud Aug 26, 2013, 06:53pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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John,

I understand your concern. But nothing much can be done in this aspect.

At the same time, I have a question for you- I have seen people yelling out at government that their privacy is being invaded due to PRISM program. You can turn to LinkedIn and you will find n number of discussions leading to this argument.

My question is why you want to hide your emails. I mean, I understand that it is your personal stuff, but what does it offer to the government if at all they have access to your account. One thing is for sure that government will not expose your personal emails or photos to online hackers as it doesn’t get any favor in doing so.

If you can use a good password which is an amalgamation of alphabets+ numbers+ special characters, then I am sure that it will secure your account from hacker hits as well.

So, why is this security issue being blown out of proportion?

Hope, you understood what exactly what I want to convey!

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Dr. Peaceful Aug 27, 2013, 01:13pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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>> Re: Google-Email Users Have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY
Naveen Goud said:
John,

I understand your concern. But nothing much can be done in this aspect.

At the same time, I have a question for you- I have seen people yelling out at government that their privacy is being invaded due to PRISM program. You can turn to LinkedIn and you will find n number of discussions leading to this argument.

My question is why you want to hide your emails. I mean, I understand that it is your personal stuff, but what does it offer to the government if at all they have access to your account. One thing is for sure that government will not expose your personal emails or photos to online hackers as it doesn’t get any favor in doing so.

If you can use a good password which is an amalgamation of alphabets+ numbers+ special characters, then I am sure that it will secure your account from hacker hits as well.

So, why is this security issue being blown out of proportion?

Hope, you understood what exactly what I want to convey!


Very simple analogy. Everyone has a place of residence, be it an apartment or your own house, all need a key to the door for entry. Just because there's nothing of importance in your place, it doesn't mean you want to have people to freely enter and walk around your place any time they want without prior notice. If you allow those people to go on, one day it would not be just walking around, they may want to search through your drawers, closets, etc. Even if they don't steal your stuffs and most of the stuffs they look through are harmless to you, it doesn't mean one day they would not plant something (e.g. crime evidence of something you never commit) to be used against you for whatever their benefits.

Here in United States, we have the Constitution and the Amendments to the Constitution (with the first ten being the Bill of Rights). There are several Amendments mentioned the Due Process, in particular the 4th Amendment mentioned that authorities should not conduct searches and seizures without Warrant and Probable Clause. This Amendment was further extended by the Supreme Court in the 60s to protect not only physical searches / seizures, but also to protect the person's privacy, including electronic privacy.

Because the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, it is the government's responsibility to follow this law, and it is the people's responsibility to make sure the government is not breaking the law.

It's not "blown out of proportion" as you described it. It is our rights, which we are entitled to protect.

Naveen Goud Aug 28, 2013, 07:04pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi,

Yes, I understand that government should follow certain rules in order to keep the privacy of its populace intact. At same time it is the duty of government to keep its nation's populace safe & secure on an overall note.

Nowadays, internet is acting as a good communication medium in this digital world. But it is also being used by criminals for their activities and that is why the US government is monitoring all the internet activity of its beloved citizens.

As you know, nothing is going to change if government issues a press statement that people should use internet only for good cause. There is no meaning in such statement and so it is monitoring everything which is going on the internet.

Again my question is when the government is just monitoring the metadata, then why some people are concerned so much. Coming to telephonic conversation interception, if you are not doing anything against law, then why should you be concerned?

This also implies to the topic initiated by the OP of Gmail users privacy concern.

When something like Boston bombing happens people start blaming the government for its inability to provide security to its populace. But when it comes up with a plan to isolate terrorism or crime from the nation, it gets booed up from all directions and the best example is how people are yelling at Prism.

Please feel free to clarify on my thoughts and let’s keep this discussion health and going so that more inputs can be expected.

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Dr. Peaceful Aug 29, 2013, 01:02am EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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I think you're either very naive or you actually work for the government. You're under one assumption, that the government is always kind-hearted and caring to the people, and they won't change. When it's proven time and time again in history, that it was not the case in this world.

Remember: politicians, no matter left, right, middle, or whatever ideology, lie for their own benefits; government manipulate the truth and sway public opinions, when it's deem necessary to protect their interests and to push forward their agendas. When comes power and control, there comes great temptation for corruptions. It takes great balance to prevent that from happening.

I will leave it at that.

Naveen Goud Aug 29, 2013, 06:39pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Hi,

Since, my response was not as per your expectations, you cannot label me as naïve or a government official/patron. Remember ,thinking changes from mind 2 mind.....anyway have a great weekend!

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>> Re: Google-Email Users Have NO EXPECTATION OF PRIVACY
Here's a respond to John's original post. So, you think it's bad that "no expectation of privacy" for google mails storing somewhere in the Cloud. Wait till you see this warning below. Anybody with an Android phone or tablet, with OS version 4.2 or above, when you first setup your on-screen keyboard, a warning dialog box will pop up with the following message.

"This method can collect all of the text you enter, except passwords, including personal data and credit card numbers. It comes from app Google Keyboard. Use anyway?"


Here's an article with a screenshot. http://news.en.softonic.com/stock-android-4-2-keyboard-now-ava...oogle-play

In fact, they actually store your key presses in their Cloud! In the "older" PC days, something like this is called a keylogger. Nowadays in the smart phones age, it's called user "convenience" because the keyboard can give smart suggestions as you type and as it collects more history of what you typed.

Would you find it convenient to have every key press you made store in a server somewhere you don't have access to, but others may be able to see them? LOL ;)


Gerritt Sep 13, 2013, 07:57pm EDT Reply - Quote - Report Abuse
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Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both. (Benjamin Franklin)

Part of liberty is the ability to shout out anonymously.

The internet could be considered to be anti-libertarian, or anti anonymous.

I wrote an op-ed piece for PC magazine back in the 90's that stated that you had NO internet anonymity expectations guaranteed, but you could have it, as an option.

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We all know what we know, and everyone else knows we are wrong.
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