Hi Folks,
This was gonna be up about dawn my time here in aussie, BUT, my aussie ISP disconnects me every 4 hours & I had been up all night. I reconnected immediately again towards the end of completeing this, then finally clicked on Post ....BUT aparently my earlier login in didn't count.....

I LOST THE LOT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WASN'T IMPRESSED TO SAY THE LEAST.

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But the continueing saga needs to be told, if u haven't yet read :

Tyan MP S2460 Motherboard Problems PART 1

See this listing posted in the Problem Products Forum

I URGE U TO DO SO !!!!!!!

******** It may save you DAMAGEING your new TYAN MP S2460 MotherBoard / Ram / CPU's / PCI Expansion Cards & / or other peripherials. *********

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Continueing the ongoing SAGA

( TYAN TIGER or TYAN TYRANT )

FINALLY ......... i got the S2460 to post I went straight into the CMOS and changed that which had to be changed.

I enabled ACPI so my prior Epox Socket A Tower system Windows 2000 Professional Installation on the 2(two) IDE Ultra HDD's I would shift over to my new Server Cube Case Tyan MP S2460 based system would boot.

On my Epox board / win2k pro installation to " *** NOT *** " have ACPI enabled in the CMOS always caused Windows 2000 Professional to IMMEDIATELY REBOOT !!!!!

As i found out LATER **** DISABLEING **** ACPI in the Phoenix 4Meg Bios version / revision 1.03 on the S2460 was no different, Windows 2000 Professional, wouldn't, get close to the splash screen, before it rebooted.

So much, for the " so called, " EXPERTS, who claim, ACPI, must, be DISABLED, in the CMOS !!!!!!!!!

Makeing SURE i disabled my second com port to save valuable irq's & dma's always, changing as much AUTO as could be put to ENABLE rather than AUTO I saved my preferences that have always worked in any prior Motherboard's CMOS in their thousands over the last 20 + years and allowed the box to reboot to a 31/2" IBM PC DOS 2000/1/2 bootable floppy .........

just in case
just to test

SHOCK HORROR !!!!!!!!!

The white on black on board firmware generated the following advice / acknowledgements.

a) I definately had a Version Revision 1.03 Bios

b) the report on my 2 (two ) socketed AMD 1600 XP MP ATHLON CPU's read

Detected 1 Processor(s)

1 (ONE) PROCESSOR(S) ?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

After the hours spent which turned into days .... see.....
the reference to:

Tyan MP S2460 Motherboard Problems PART 1

further up this posting for the earlier nightmares.......

Detected 1 processor(s) .... indeed !!!!!!!!!

I don't pay out BIG BUCKS for crap that doesn't work !!!!!!

PERIOD !!!!!!!

BUT .... taking into mind that over the years the bullo , misleading error messages , error prone messages (wrongly generated) , erronious errors reported , baseless , crazy , bug ridden firmware error messages / text on screen being generated by :

firmware on the motherboard(s)(cmos / bios / roms )
firmware on a device ( internal or external )
dos
windows versions (ALL)
& software (most also bug ridden or trying to do the impossible getting round bugs in hardware & software JUST so the program could SLUDGE IT'S WAY ON TO OUR SCREEN's).

I'm sure some of u older , wiser computer literate user's will forgive me after the PART 1 drama's / saga for being rather:

peeved
irritated
disappointed
p**sethed off
feelin' a weeny bit defeated
wonderin' if murpy had taken up permanent residence at my right hand side.
and highly suss about :

detected 1 processor(s)

remembering all the asian eengleeeeesh we've seen onscreen and in manuals & imbedded in roms, the mind boggles .......

Going on PAST performance detected 1 processor(s) can mean:

1 processor ....../(s)
2 processor ....../(s)
3 processor ....../(s)
4 processor ....../(s)
or .... more !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TYAN it would be nice if the TYAN Supplied Motherboard User's Manual revision 1.03 / Manual's (ANY revision) carried detailed information of what the cryptic (whit) white on black text meant.!!!!!!!!!!


The dos system disk booted !!!!!!!!!

BUT

I rebooted & went straight into the CMOS to SYSTEM MONITORING / (Sometimes called SYSTEM HEALTH with other m/b manufacturers )

(which by the way doesn't seem to be listed in my TYAN Motherboard User's Manual Revision 1.03 )

Surprise ....... Surprise ........ Surprise

You won't guess in a million years if u really did read PART 1 or have followed right through PART 2 to this point what I saw in the CMOS System Monitoring Screen ......

FOLKS .... WITH PC TECHNOLOGY " ** ALL ** " THINGS ARE POSSIBLE or possibly impossible !!!!!!!

BOTH CPU0 & CPU1 were seen to be heatin' , vcore voltages were voltin' , the massive heat sink fan's were rpm'in ,

detected 1 processor(s) ... huh !!!!!!!!!

mmmmmmmm confusion reign's supreme

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TYAN TIGER OR TYAN TYRANT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????

Old Charlie Chan (detective) sayin' :

If you're:

confused
confusedacated
left out in the cold
defeated
reached a brick wall
fallen in a hole
got a TOTAL MIND BLANK
are speechless, mindblown, shocked, horrified or bloody p**sethed off

WITH A TYAN MP S2460 MOTHERBOARD

DON'T ....... ASK CHARLIE CHAN
He doesn't want to know !!!!!
and Aparently NEITHER does TYAN
or if they do know .......................

THEY (tyan) AIN'T SAYIN'

and .... worse local Australian (aussie) support is worse than hopeless !!!!!!!!!

and further.........

a lot of the threads in these forum's just add more fuel to the fire that worldwide support is next to useless & or hopeless !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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THE FOLLOWING OBSERVATIONS:

Why would the majority KNOW:

1) The Minimum --- through ---Maximum Heat Ranges of the XP MP Processors registered in the S2460 CMOS System Monitor Screen.

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Comment:

Even though we ALL should, ( know the temps ) where is a reference to the table of acceptable operating temps listed in the tyan Motherboard User's Manual for each of the cpu's that can be socketed on the s2460 ?


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VCORE Voltages and all listed voltages given in the CMOS System Monitor Screen

Who knows them .... mmmmmmm ?

Comment:

Where are the Minimum ------- through ------- Maximum Vcore & other voltages that are acceptable ranges for each listed in the Tyan Motherboard User's Manual ..... ?????????????

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We won't concern ourselves with Fan RPM's


NEXT:

Tyan MP S2460 Motherboard Problems PART 3

OR

What do ya do when the boot won't boot (win2k pro)

and or install a new install of win2k pro

and or repair an old install of win2k pro

and or get the files win2k pro repair / install ******** probably needs ******* to continue to do what we all hope it will do get to a repair screen and or install choice screen from the dos prompt with winnt typed in and our original windows 2000 professional cdrom in our cdrom drive.

The Tyan supplied CDRom Motherboard Disk does NOT have such suitable drivers .... instead it has update drivers for an already functioning win2k pro installiation for AGP ... POWER ..... & IDE ULTRA 100 that doesn't help at all at the point when win2k pro asks for mass storage device drivers.

By the way folks u CAN :

REPLY TO THESE POSTINGS

OFFER ADVICE OR SUGGESTIONS

I really WOULD like & love to hear from you.

And that also includes hardwareanalysis.com staff.

I'M STUMPED !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kindest Regards
Ray
ps. I now have to rush to post this so i don't have my aussie ISP disconnect me after 4 hours.
PART 3 may not be " UP " till after tea it's now god help me 8.05 PM (Evening) Sunday 10 march 2002 7 I still don't have a bootable win2k pro installation OLD OR NEW !!!!!!!!

HELP SOMEONE PLEASE !!!!!!

Just out of curiousity, are you using the MP processor or the XP Processor? In your posts you mention them as "MP XP" but I think they can either be one or the other.

HI Tony / All,
Thanks for your reply & interest , Tony, my two processors are marked on the rectangle on top of them (where your heat sinks centrally sit on) as MP, they were ordered & billed as MP 1600 CPU's. Probably my fault as I believe they are also the XP core as well.

Kindest Regards
Ray Couper

Ray,

Try one cpu at a time in the first cpu slot. See if one of your CPUs is faulty. If you think you are going to be moving your cpus around a lot you might want to invest in a couple cpu shims for when you are installing the heatsinks. I don't know what other people think about them - and their effect on the cooling of the cpu -- but they definitely do protect the processor.

If you are using multiple DIMMs you might want to try this with just one installed in the first slot.

Tell me how things go!

Tony

Ray,

I spoke with many specialist (incl. engineers from AMD). All they say that the core of MP and XP is the same (more - XP is the same MP). MP is just marketing trick to sell for more money !!!
You can believe me?
I biuld many mashienes with Tiger 2460 & 2xXP in different freq.
They work.
But I think the problem is in Tyan strability.
I test this mother board with both (registered & normal) DDR. It is the same (if you use Samsung memory). Any way - with other normal - btw. Kingston it does't work.

Tyan did't give any information about the problems with restart, or problems with Corel9, Adobe Photoshop 6 (theay just say - Photoshop 5 will not work with this 2460).

many problems
But if any problem - if I can I'll help with my knowledge.

Good luck!

Plamen Florov

plamen@magazinite.com

Ray,

I spoke with many specialist (incl. engineers from AMD). All they say that the core of MP and XP is the same (more - XP is the same MP). MP is just marketing trick to sell for more money !!!
You can believe me?
I biuld many mashienes with Tiger 2460 & 2xXP in different freq.
They work.
But I think the problem is in Tyan strability.
I test this mother board with both (registered & normal) DDR. It is the same (if you use Samsung memory). Any way - with other normal - btw. Kingston it does't work.

Tyan did't give any information about the problems with restart, or problems with Corel9, Adobe Photoshop 6 (theay just say - Photoshop 5 will not work with this 2460).

many problems
But if any problem - if I can I'll help with my knowledge.

Good luck!

Plamen Florov

plamen@magazinite.com

Tyan is known for quality. You may have gotten a defective or damaged motherboard.

I have the 2460 running AMD MP 1400 Mhz and 512MB Buffered ECC RAM. I think getting the right RAM is really important with the 2460 (and AMD 761 chipset). The rule of thumb I followed here was to spend a few extra bucks on quality RAM because doing so saves tons of headaches (maybe even $$) in the long-run. I also made 100% sure the RAM I was buying was compatible with the motherboard...And so far everything's worked great.

I ageee with the above post. Reduce the system config to one bootable device, CPU, RAM, and video. You can then devise an educated system to determine the defective/damaged part by swapping with known good CPUs and RAM chips. You probably already know this but the advice to go to one processor was very good!

Lastly, TYAN's site is one of the best as far as listing detailed specs and known compatible OEM parts. The listing for PC2100 compatibility with the Tiger can be found at http://www.tyan.com/support/html/pc2100_tg_mp.html

Hope this helps.

Tenacious

Hi everyone, I'm building a Tyan S2460 system (or trying to) and I thought I'd share my problems - and knowledge if I can.
The system consists of the motherboard in question, two Athlon XP 1800's, an Asus Geforce4 MX440, and an Enermax 350W PSU, all housed in an Enermax case. There are HDD's etc but at the moment they're not connected.
I'm using two different sticks of memory - a generic stick of 512MB PC2100 DDR and a stick of Kingmax 256MB DDR.
If I try to boot with the generic memory in, the fans etc spin up and the power light comes on but the PC Speaker is silent and there's no screen activity. If I try and boot with the Kingmax PC2700 memory in, exactly the same thinghappens except I get a beep code from the speaker, which goes a little something like this:

bip -- bip bip bip -- bip bip bip -- bip bip bip -- bip

I assume it's Tyan's arrangement of the No Memory beep.

My first thought was that the PC2100 memory was faulty and the board didn't support PC2700, yielding the beep error - but I got both sticks checked this afternoon and they both posted an Asus DDR motherboard.
I also tried a different video card to rule out that possibility - the Geforce2 MX out of my own computer that's worked perfectly for a year. Still didn't boot.
Then, I read in the manual and on the Tyan website that the board _only_ supports registered memory. However I talked to the techs at my local computer store and they assure me they've built at least half a dozen systems using this board with unregistered memory, with no problems at all.

So basically, I'm at a loss. Any ideas?
All help is greatly appreciated.

I thought I'd better mention that I'm not using those two sticks of memory at the same time; I'm using them seperately to troubleshoot.

Thanks again

Ray,

At the beginning of this message you state that you got the machine to post but you don't say how. I am having a similar problem. Please fill me in. Thanks.

Josh Young

Ray,

At the beginning of this message you state that you got the machine to post but you don't say how. I am having a similar problem. Please fill me in. Thanks.

Josh Young

with repect to memory on the 2460 you require 1 stick of registered DDR to post properly.

However several things from my story before I replaced the board with a 2466.
Ended up with enermax 450. Suggest that the 5V power needs require the larger supply.
Replaced earlier nanyma memory with ?? but it was much taller and had more buffering.Client wanted 1.5 GB and was only able to get 1Gb to function and not all slots functioned at the same time definitely BIOS and timing issues since a beta BIOS upgrade from TYAN was memory timing related. Was unable to flash the BIOS to try it.

The 2466 board has a much more robust power connection and seems to seperate out the fan supplies which seems to make sense also. the memory now loads in all slots and all 1.5GB functions.

Brendan falvey

with repect to memory on the 2460 you require 1 stick of registered DDR to post properly.

However several things from my story before I replaced the board with a 2466.
Ended up with enermax 450. Suggest that the 5V power needs require the larger supply.
Replaced earlier nanyma memory with ?? but it was much taller and had more buffering.Client wanted 1.5 GB and was only able to get 1Gb to function and not all slots functioned at the same time definitely BIOS and timing issues since a beta BIOS upgrade from TYAN was memory timing related. Was unable to flash the BIOS to try it.

The 2466 board has a much more robust power connection and seems to seperate out the fan supplies which seems to make sense also. the memory now loads in all slots and all 1.5GB functions.

Brendan falvey

Here's something interesting for you. I too have a Tyan multiprocessor mainboard. I'm running twin Pentium 3 1GHz processors parked on a Tyan Tiger 230 (Via Pro133A) motherboard with 512MB PC-133 RAM. 133Mhz FSB across the board. A might bit humble compared to your system, but interestingly enough I too have the same problem whilst in Windows 2000. The machine will lockup, the PC speaker will emit one low-tone beep, and I have to hit the reset button to unfreeze the machine. My rigorious driver collection and updating proved useless and I'm at a loss as to what to do to fix it. I'm actually lucky to have finished this post before it beeps and locks up again on me. Feel free to post any clues, everyone. I'm dying to figure this out.

I am also having problems with a Tyan S2460, and would appreciate any advice.

Ever since I got the board, it has exhibited the same symptom: it will not power on reliably. I have to turn it on anywhere from 2-6 times before the video comes on. I thought that there was EMI from other components, so I slid the backplane out of my chassis, but it still isn't reliable.

I've disconnected everything from the board and it still won't power up. Even with no video and no RAM, it doesn't always give the "no memory" beep sequence (but it does power up sometimes).

I've encountered this symptom with different processors as follows:
2 x Athlon XP 1700+
1 x Athlon XP 1700+
2 x Althlon MP 1800+

I've tried 3 different power supplies:
300W ATX 2.01 (burned the PS after 3 days)
425W cheap ATX 2.03 (burned the PS 4 days after I upgraded to the dual MP CPUs)
520W TTGI ATX12V w/24-to-20-pin adapter (currently working, but still won't boot reliably)

My memory ws purchased with the mainboard:
2 x 256MB Reg. ECC brand = Crucial by Micron

Everything else has been disconnected at one time or another without helping.

BIOS is version 1.03 -- I notice that there is an update, but I am loathe to flash if my system is unstable and might hang in the middle. Does anyone know if the specific changes will help?

I've tried two different AGP video cards, an eVGA clone (nvidia TNT2), and a RADEON (LE, I think) 8500. After updating the AGP miniport driver and the Radeon driver, the system finally seems to be stable port-boot, so I might risk the BIOS flash. I had been running the AMD AGP driver before, but it was an older version.

I sent the motherboard back to the reseller for testing before I knew my 300W PS burnt out (yeah, I know I was dumb to try one so small)

Does anyone have any ideas? Should I unscrew the mainboard from the backplane?

I'd also like to know if anyone makes a software package to read the CPU temps & fan speeds inside Windows 2000, since Tyan didn't provide one.

OKAY GUESS EVERYONE IS GOING TO JUMP THE GUNS @ ME

Tyan S2460
Two AMD XP 1700+ (Not MP)
1 Gig (512 each) Crucial RAM
2 IBM 40 HDD Raided together on PCI using Promise FastTrack TX2
1 WD 40 HDD on Primary IDE
2 CD (1 DVD and 1 CD R/W) on Secondary IDE
ABIT GeForce 4 Ti4200 64MB (AGP)
Creative Labs SB Live (Lite version)
D-link Ethernet card
DV Raptor RT video editing card.

I have installed XP Pro as my OS. Downloaded the latest drivers from the manufacturers web site.

The system is running stable without any lockups whatsoever. REVISION 1.03.

Yes the temps show 73 INITIALLY when you go to hardware monitor in the BIOS. I think that is a bug. Just hit ENTER when you see this and you will the actual temperature and FAN speed. My CPU0 si 49 and CPU1 is 52. I think the reason here is that I didnt put the Arctic silver properly in the second CPU fan. I am using copper based fans that run at 6200 rpm.

I dont know why you guys are having problems. My sound is not choppy, there are no lines on the video. Everything is stable. No reboots and I have noticed that its actually faster than my ASUS A7V133 single processor even at bootup time.

This board is rock solid so far.

Ally.

I finally did figure out what the deal was with my machine locking up. Again here's my specifications:

Dual Intel P3 1Ghz processors (FC-PGA 133MHZ FSB)
Tyan Tiger 230 (Via Pro 133A chipset)
512MB PC-133 SDRAM
30GB Western Digital UDMA/100 IDE
Hercules Prophet 2 MX (GeForce 2 MX 32MB AGP)
BTC 50X CD-ROM
NEC 4X4X24 Writer
Intel Pro100+ LAN 10/100 NIC

Apparently the problem was with my optical mouse. I plugged in a new mouse and my machine runs flawlessly. I have NO idea why, either...

I finally did figure out what the deal was with my machine locking up. Again here's my specifications:

Dual Intel P3 1Ghz processors (FC-PGA 133MHZ FSB)
Tyan Tiger 230 (Via Pro 133A chipset)
512MB PC-133 SDRAM
30GB Western Digital UDMA/100 IDE
Hercules Prophet 2 MX (GeForce 2 MX 32MB AGP)
BTC 50X CD-ROM
NEC 4X4X24 Writer
Intel Pro100+ LAN 10/100 NIC

Apparently the problem was with my optical mouse. I plugged in a new mouse and my machine runs flawlessly. I have NO idea why, either...

I have also encountered a lock-up problem with my s2460's. I have win2k installed, and have upgraded to service pack 3, everything boots up into windows fine. But after a few minutes the system locks up and i have to restart. I have 2 Athon MP 1500's, a 512, and 256 stick up registered ddr ram. a visiontek geforce2 GTS. I'd appreciate it if anyone could help me solve this problem.

Note re the optical mouse. I was an early user of the 2460 board and when building the box I had to disable USB support in BIOS to successfully load Win2K using an older PS/2 mouse. Once loaded I re-enabled USB support and Win2K found the USB mouse without any problems. If your mouse uses USB it is more to do with the port than the mouse. you could try disabling USB support and delete the USB mouse in device manager using your functional mouse. Turn off and attach your optical mouse then re-enable USB support and allow Win2K to redetct the mouse. worth a try

Brendan falvey

Also, something that other people may not be considering. If you have flashed your mainboard's BIOS then you will need to reset the NVRAM on the board ("Reset Plug and Play Configuration Data"). I have a friend who's a network engineer and he says that it has something to do with the Hardware Abstraction Layer. Dunno if this helps any of you...