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Thirsty Boy Dec 18, 2003, 09:40am EST Report Abuse
Ive got a theory ,but dunno if its right

The 9800se is a downgraded/broken 9800 , with only 4 pipelines , however its cooling capacity is still equal to the 9800 .Since the pipelines produce heat , and the se only uses 4 rather then 8 , does this mean that its cooler then a 9800 , and therefore has a better potential to be o/c compared to a 9800 . am i right ??

mine produces artifacts wen softmodded , so o/c is my only alternative.


-AMD Athlon 3200+ Barton Core
-ASUS A7N8X-X Mobo
-512MB PC3200 DDR400
-128MB Radeon 9800se (400/725)
-160mb Maxtor 8Mb Cache 133ATA
-450W Zorro Case 4*int 8cm fans
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Alex D Dec 18, 2003, 09:50am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
I want to confirm that the Saphire 9800SE SamSung DDR will allow you to overclock it to a 9800pro successfully. Just make sure the ram on that video card is a samsung.

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Omniscient Dec 19, 2003, 02:10am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
Not quite sure about the 'better o/c' potential but you can do us both a favour tell me what settings you manage to get your card to run at.

I find that if I o/c my ram even a little bit my card just keeps on crashing. Which is rather strange cause it's samsung, what I'l do is get some cooling for it... eventually.

I've modded an old socket A heatsink and fan onto my AIW 9800PRO - not an easy job. The only stable o/c settings are Core 391Mhz and RAM only o/c'd one notch above stock. This get's me like a hundred 3dmarks01 more - which considering all the work i've been through is depressingly frustrating.

Before I modded the hsf I could actually overclock the card more i think, however regardless of the settings I always had artifacts appearing, which is why I modded hsf so I could o/c and remove artifacts. Well artifacts are gone completely but now I can't get any decent performance out of the card.

Anyone else around here got some good info on the 9800 and o'cing it?

Wildwood Dec 19, 2003, 02:19am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential

grant fanning Dec 19, 2003, 03:06am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
answer to the first question


Thirsty Boy Dec 19, 2003, 03:58pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
ok i got rad linker and ive started to oc my 9800se, got a stock core at 337.5 and stock mem at 378.0 (mite be wrong way round), whats the maximum people have clocked it without getting artifacts , upping both by a notch gives me +90 3dmark03 points. which value is more important to oc , and which is more likely to fry my graphics card if i do oc it too high


-AMD Athlon 3200+ Barton Core
-ASUS A7N8X-X Mobo
-512MB PC3200 DDR400
-128MB Radeon 9800se (400/725)
-160mb Maxtor 8Mb Cache 133ATA
-450W Zorro Case 4*int 8cm fans
-- 3dmar
Wildwood Dec 19, 2003, 07:04pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
Do as I did. Up both by 5MHz and run 3Dmark 2003. Watch for pixelations or anything wrong in the picture. If all is well, oc another 5 MHz. Keep going until you see probelms. Then back off 5MHz. And increase only the GPU 5MHz. If no problems continue on until you see problems, then back off 5 MHz. Do the same with the memory. Until you've maxxed out both. Make sure you have good case cooling and you'll get more out of the card. I placed a fan in the side panel blowing onto the card. It runs cool. My stock speeds were 325/250(500). Now they're 400/305(610) Remember that the memory speed is doubled. I get 3400 score in 3DMark2003 with 4X AA and AF @ 1024 X 768. I haven't run it with AA and AF off.

Floydy UK Jan 05, 2004, 07:43pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
Hercules 3D Prophet All-In-Wonder 9800SE

Samsung 3.3NS Ram (256bit interface)

Softmodded out of the box to 8 pipe-lines using RivaTuner's patchscripts under Windows XP Safe Mode

Added 2,000 marks to 3D Mark 2001 SE

Overclocked BIOS using Radedit -> 398.3 Core x 715.5 Memory

Added 800 marks to 3D Mark 2001 SE (without artefacts - white dot screen)

Could have gone higher but 3D Mark 2003 shows artefacts in Nature test ONLY!!! where they did not appear in 3D Mark 2001.

Benched using out of the box drivers Cat 2.2 from Hercules (shows correct card info) - later drivers show lower figures for some reason...


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AMD Thoroughbred Athlon 2600XP @ 2088 Mhz
FN41 Motherboard Revison 2
1 X 512Mb Samsung DDR333 PC2700 RAM
120Gb Hitachi IC35L120AVV207-0 ATA100/7200
ALL-IN-WONDER 9800SE 128Mb (Softmodded 8-pipes) Cat 2.2
NVIDIA(R) nForce(TM) Audio
Shuttle Bluetooth Adapter

15860 3D-Mark 2001SE
5744 3d-Mark 2003


Alpie Lah Jan 19, 2004, 09:04am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
Today I took my chances and purchased an Hercules All-In-Wonder 9800SE, which is known to be a good softmodder.
Aquamark score increased from 19.90 Fps to 28.47 Fps!! I have an Athlon XP 2000.

I didn't overlock after softmod, as I don't see any need for that.

So now I have an ATI All-in-wonder 9800 PRO for only 478 SGD (280 USD) (156 GBP).

You can see the results:

Josh Butler Jan 19, 2004, 09:50am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: 9800se oc potential
I had hella cooling on my card(I used to have a 9800SE AIW), I overclocked itand flashed the BIOS to pro..I had speeds that were pretty aggressive, seeing as how they were faster than a 9800 Pro's stock speeds...I had NO artifacts on my card until about a week ago...I put the clocks back at stock, and put the bios back to what I had(always have the original BIOS for a card on a floppy)..And I was still getting artifacts...I took the speeds about 20mhz down on core and mem, and was still getting artifacts....Then on Friday, I couldn't even get the stupid thing to boot, so I took my little brothers TNT and slapped it in my machine....I now have a 9800 Pro, and its faster than my old card overclocked at then my new card stock...So, don't push the limits of these cards...I'm not blaming anyone but myself for doing so much that stressed the card...ATi still has my vote as the best card maker at the moment still....Waiting for R420, so I can get back with nvidia, or at least dream about it....

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