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Hugues Lamarche Sep 03, 2002, 07:25pm EDT Report Abuse
Hello all,

I just bought a new system, and am having a terrible time trying to run it... First, here are my components :

MSI KT3 ULTRA mobo (with ATA 133 onboard controller)
AMI BIOS 5.5 (latest)
512 mb ddr 333
Win XP, with all patches and fixes
Latest VIA drivers
80 pin cables
ATHLON XP 1900+ CPU
ATI RADEON 8500LE
SB Audigy Gamer
Linksys 100tx ethernet card
Antec 430 psu

Whenever i start adding programs after installing XP, i get "delayed write failure" problems (multiple pop-ups from xp) until all data on the drive corrupts and the drive becomes inaccessible, at which time i have to re-format and install XP all over again (I have done that 10 times since friday!). There is no identifiable pattern with this problem, meaning that it never happens after a particular program installation; I had the drive fail once after installing ATI's drivers, once after SB audigy's drivers, once after installing Norton Systemworks, etc.

What's odd is that XP runs ok as long as i add nothing on the drive : no programs, drivers, etc. That's why i can write this message now... Also, I tried putting the drive in PIO mode once, and I was able to install as many programs as i could. I then proceded to put the drive back in UDMA mode in windows, rebooted, and as soon as XP's GUI started, everything went corrupt : Lots of "delayed write failure" pop-ups, until eventually (10 minutes later) i could no longer use anything and the drive became unmountable.

I trimmed the pc down to the essentials and removed all non-important peripherals such as my scanner, printer, camera, UPS serial cable link, joystick, etc. And that didn't change a thing.

Also, i tried disabling just about every function that i knew could cause problems : I disabled the disk write cache once, disabled APIC, ICPA, APM, etc, everything, and nothing worked.

I tested the CPU, PSU, power outlet, UPS, Changed 80 pin cables, checked the jumper, etc. Everything turned out ok.

So i'm at a loss here... I'm sure the drive is failing, even though it passed maxtor's test... And I don't know what to make of the fact that it runs ok in PIO mode (although Very, very slow) but corrupts all data in DMA mode...

Has anyone experienced such a problem before?
Would anyone know how to correct the problem?

Also, does anyone have the same motherboard/Hard disk/OS combo? Have you had problems running xp? How has the drive behaved?

Thanks very much for letting me know


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Talis Man Sep 27, 2002, 07:21am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I'm having a similar problem, after many months of successful XP usage. Right now I'm working on a clean installation (no program on the affected drive) and the failure is beginning to occur as XP writes system restore info to that otherwise empty drive.

I saw on the net, but lost the link when my system corrupted and failed altogether, a reference to some sort of bios setting that causes data corruption in XP. That's one possibility, and if I find it, I'll pass it along.

Too, this began only after I applied several XP updates from the MS site. I've not aplied SP1 because I thought it was the culprit last time (my previous disaster occurred almost immediatly after I put that patch on).

I don't believe it is a hardware issue.

Timothy Dixon Oct 23, 2002, 03:52pm EDT Report Abuse
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I have been having the same error message since I bought my 120GB Maxtor HDD. It is not my primary drive so I have not had problems with having to reload. However, I have tried moving the drive to another IDE controller I have in the system and still get the error. I have a new motherboard and processor and have tried it on the new board as well as my old and still get the error. However, I have been able to limit the error down to happening only when I write CDs. I have tried with both NTI CD-Maker & Nero Burning ROM. Both seem to error everytime I burn a CD. However, the last CD I burned I used the built in XP burning capabilities and did not have a problem. However, the CD only contained 46MB and may not have taken long enough to burn for the error to emerge. It only affects the maxtor drive. I have been reading about this error on a number of forums and have found that there appears to be a trend with those who have maxtor hard drives. However, one of my other drives, an 80GB, is a maxtor and does not have a problem. As of yet I am stuck rebooting everytime I burn a CD. However, I have not had any problems with data actually being corrupt. It just disappears until I reboot.

If anyone has a solution to this I would greatly appreciate it.

--Tim
timd@nicon.net

Gopi Oct 24, 2002, 07:03am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hi, it sounds to be a problem with the drive. try connecting the drive on a different system and see if it bypasses the "delayed Write failure" error. i tried to get information on the Maxtor's site but it requires the exact model number and other information. Why dont you try that website?


Sky Ryder Feb 18, 2003, 11:10pm EST Report Abuse
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Been having the same problem. Maxtor 60G drive Product 6Y060L0.
One suggestion was to change the UDMA mode from the manufacturer's setting of 6 down to 5. Well, WinXP and 2000 for that matter, don't support mode 5, so I changed it to Mode 4. Well, it worked for a while....Now I'm getting the same message again. Sigh...... This is the second Maxtor drive I ever bought.....had problems with both of them.....

Anybody else have a suggestion?

Talis Man Feb 19, 2003, 04:03pm EST Report Abuse
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Hello everyone!

Turned out to be a hard drive failure; second one on the original version of the 100GB WDC drive with the large cache...replacement drives, with new WDC version numbers, solved the problem. I've not seen a reoccurrence since I originally posted my reply.

Chris Gehlke Feb 20, 2003, 01:44pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I currently own a maxtor diamondmax 6Y080L0. bought brand new a couple months ago at local Staples Store. 7200 RPM ATA 133, fast. I was amazed.better than the IBM deskstar 75GXP and 60GXP i used to own, you know IBM has a class action suit filed against them,, enough of that.
here is what i have been expreiencing. Whenever i go to play GTA3, I would be playing, and all of a sudden i hear a "click" or more like a clunk, from my computer case, i found out its coming from my HDD, the maxtor i just bought. When this sound happens, the HDD would spin down, and spin back up, release the heads and freeze the computer. I rebooted my computer and when loading the Windows XP GUI, "Click" and respin up, and then continiues loading. I tried changing IDE cables, and the problem has seemed to go away for now. I had one other time where i rebooted my computer and got the infamous "UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME" blue screen. i rebooted again and i was back into my OS. i dunno what is going on. the drive seems to run beautiful now, no problems at all. This drive does have a 3 yr warranty from maxtor still. i bought before they switched to 1 yr. i was just asking if anyone else had this problem, where the drive would park its heads, shut off and then turn back on real quick, and release the heads, and go on with what it was doing ,or freeze the computer. If it keeps doing this , i will be forced to go seagate barracuda ATA IV, as my thoughts of maxtor were they made awesome drives. I still think they make good drives, but if i keep getting problems, I am definitly going seagate, i will RMA and sell the new one.

Chris Gehlke Feb 20, 2003, 01:44pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I currently own a maxtor diamondmax 6Y080L0. bought brand new a couple months ago at local Staples Store. 7200 RPM ATA 133, fast. I was amazed.better than the IBM deskstar 75GXP and 60GXP i used to own, you know IBM has a class action suit filed against them,, enough of that.
here is what i have been expreiencing. Whenever i go to play GTA3, I would be playing, and all of a sudden i hear a "click" or more like a clunk, from my computer case, i found out its coming from my HDD, the maxtor i just bought. When this sound happens, the HDD would spin down, and spin back up, release the heads and freeze the computer. I rebooted my computer and when loading the Windows XP GUI, "Click" and respin up, and then continiues loading. I tried changing IDE cables, and the problem has seemed to go away for now. I had one other time where i rebooted my computer and got the infamous "UNMOUNTABLE_BOOT_VOLUME" blue screen. i rebooted again and i was back into my OS. i dunno what is going on. the drive seems to run beautiful now, no problems at all. This drive does have a 3 yr warranty from maxtor still. i bought before they switched to 1 yr. i was just asking if anyone else had this problem, where the drive would park its heads, shut off and then turn back on real quick, and release the heads, and go on with what it was doing ,or freeze the computer. If it keeps doing this , i will be forced to go seagate barracuda ATA IV, as my thoughts of maxtor were they made awesome drives. I still think they make good drives, but if i keep getting problems, I am definitly going seagate, i will RMA and sell the new one.

godsun godsun Mar 02, 2003, 05:16pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hello, I just want to make a record of my experince with this problem, Im using a Western Digital Caviar 120GB 7200 ATA100 etc, After building and Installing this system (P4 3.06ghz, 1gb RIMM4200, ASUS P4T533-R).

We Installed Windows XP Professional on it every thing went smoothly, we installed all drivers, updated it from windows update, Installed DirectX 9, Benchmarked it with 3dMark2003, Installed a good few games, and there was no sign of a problem.

Directly after we Installed (XTEQ SETUP) windows tweaking program, and applyed what we thought were sane settings and rebooted, Straight away when windows next booted up (DELAY WRITE FAILURE) on just about every file needed to properly boot windows no doubt, Xteqs modifications are mostly in the registry if not entirely, so I have a serious suspiscion that this problem is being caused from changes in the registry.

Any way I was not to pleased as I like many others have had pretty much had no grief of this serious kind with XP.

I repaired my installation of windows using the windows installer and managed to get the system back in shape (god knows i should of just reformated) , every thing seemed well again,,,, Until i decided that the registry would probably do with a good cleaning since there was likely to be allot of dead useless links as result of windows being installed twice with the same registry, the program I chose to use for this was Systools Advanced system optimizer.. after running this and performing a Registry optimization it asked me to reboot, when i did so the beloved DELAYED WRITE FAIL error was back..

Now i have never had a problem with either XTEQ or ASO on my personal PC which is using a WDC 40GB, I do not belive hardware is to blame.

Im going to totaly reformat and reinstall, this time aviod XTEC SETUP like the plague... its pretty annoying though since allot of people seem to experince this error in difference conditions.

excuse my bad spelling

godsun godsun Mar 03, 2003, 09:51am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
YO KEEP BUMPING THIS TOPIC...


1) HEH MICROSOFT ENGINEER IF YOU ARE READING THIS FIND OUT WHAT THE f**k THE PROBLEM IS AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT YOU MISSERABLE f**kINGs**t.

2) MICROSOFT YOU TOTALY f**kING BLOW AGAIN FIX YOUR STUPID BUGGY f**kING CHILD LIKE EXCUSE OF A OPERATING SYSTEM AGAIN.
STOP BLAIMING BUILDERS AND DIY'ERS HARDWARE RIGS OUR RIGS ARE JUST f**kING FINE MOSTLY.
MOBILEIS MISSERABLE f**kINGs**t ENGINEERS INTO ACTION..

3) DISK CACHE BEING ENABLED CANNOT BE A POSSIBLE CAUSE FOR THE ENTIRE PROBLEM AS YOU REALLY MASWELL TAKE YOU 112+ BUCKS HARDDRIVE AND THROW IT IN THE BIN WITH OUT [A] DMA MODE [B} DISK CACHE.

HERE A DAMN HINT SINCE YOUR MICROSOFT YOULL PROBABLY NEED THIS ... I THINK IS COMMING FROM SP1/SP2 UPDATES

godsun godsun Mar 03, 2003, 10:26am EST Report Abuse
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SEE HOWs**tTY MICROSOFT BE MAKING THE WORLD, THIS TOPIC IS f**kING ANCIENT THEY HAVE YET TO DO ONE SINGAL THING TO RECTIFY TO PROBLEM, AND GIVE A DECIANT EXPLINATION OF POSSIBLE CAUSES.

DNA _ Mar 03, 2003, 10:39am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Godsun
No offense, but would you drop the Caps and clean your posts up.
This is not a bashing forum.
Thanks,
DNA

Quote from my father.
"GET A JOB!"
godsun godsun Mar 03, 2003, 11:14am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I didnt start this, Microsoft did when they thought it would be cleaver to have there operating system as the only one in the whole world and use anti competitive moves to keep it that way for the last nearly 2 decades..

Resulting in extremly annoyed and agitated system builders, who are just trying to look after the clients intrests.

My febel little bussiness dosnt have multi-million pound labs with equipment and people with expertise in the area, but I found the problem like countless others, but it takes the internet community to even get the issue explorerd. Now Tell me they shouldnt of addressed this problem along time ago.

Im not in the bussiness of bashing microslop I have better things to do, My statements above came out of a moment of blind rage, Since after reinstalling my system prepareing it for my customer and taking a great deal of time and effort to get it ready, I run one program to erase our traces and wam Im presented with a error that I
[1] Cant solve.
[2] Cant get any clear explination of

All ths means I have to totaly reinstall my system again, and run the risk of the same problem occuring for my self and on my clients end.

NOW THIS OPERATING SYSTEM ISNT FREE OK. WE HAVE DAMN RIGHT TO BE FURIOUS, WINDOWS XP PRO IS 89 POUNDS AND I EXPECT A SUPPORTED WORKING OPERATING SYSTEM.


DNA _ Mar 03, 2003, 11:23am EST Report Abuse
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I feel your pain. There are many out there who feel the same as you. Micro$oft has been pulling this same stunt, and to know the loop wholes is ingenius. But, all I can say for you is to stay away from proprietary software if you feel this harsh about the subject.
There's always open source.
Well, good luck with your "leased" software. (hehe)
-DNA

Quote from my father.
"GET A JOB!"
godsun godsun Mar 03, 2003, 11:52am EST Report Abuse
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DNA, at home I run 2 100% stable, 100% reliable, 100% flexible, Slackware Linux systems running 2.4.18-grsecurity which could probably do with a upgrade ;)

We also have a aleing Mandrake Linux box at work, which has been up for 2 years, on 2.2.18 kernel *chuckle* yes this ones a little less flexable.

sorry about the caps, I think im going to aviod ASO (which is what appeared to cause the problem when it happened last) At all times this program was involved, Mabye meaning XSETUP whatever its called isnt a prime susepct, Its all a bit questionable though cause they both tinker with the registry.

Do you recommend a safe peace of software to erase our tracks from the system ?


sashi raveendran Apr 24, 2003, 06:03am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Guys,
I too got the delayed write failed message on a raid 0 array with 2 * maxtor 80gb diamond max 9. First the error message was for a file called $Mft. After a while it started moaning about some other files too. Whenever any sort of activity occurs on the drive the message appears.

What did I do?

I think I may have deleted a pagefile or some important system file from this drive by accident. Also I recently read a post on trimming ide cables so you only have a mother board connection and 1 (master) connection for a drive. Well I chopped the 3 plug ide cable and made it into a 2 plug (Big mistake). Did this twice for the 2 drives. I then reconnected it and booted.

Took about 20secs for the onboard promise fasttrack to detect the raid array. Any way soon after this operation ( i think) or the pagefile delete, im not sure which, i started getting the message.

Anyway I tried all sorts of things. Nothing worked but then....

What worked?

(I did lose the data on the disk cos of a format operation but it was no biggie, I had just started using it so there was not much data on it)

Deleted the drive reference from My Computer > Manage > Disk Management

Deleted RAID 0 array

Actually paid some money and bought 2 properly cut ata133 cables and used those (from http://www.kustompcs.co.uk - they have some great kit)

Swapped the connectors on the drives so that a different maxtor was on the primary and secondary raid motherboard connectors

Went back into Raid setup screen during boot and built a new performance raid 0 optimised for a/v (which is what i intend to use it for)

now when the pc rebooted the raid array was detected immediately, this lead me to believe that I seriously screwed up the cutting of that ide cable as previously it took at least 20 secs.

When back into disk management once in xp and formatted the drive as a simple volume 160Gb monster :)

Anyway took about 30 nerve racking minutes (i was just waiting for it to fail as it had done so during a previous format) to format but it did eventually complete(remember, not a quick format)

Next step, I tested the drive with SiSandra. All I can say is I am happy I got that delayed write failed message because, after a lot of blood sweat and tears, my drive is now performing better than it has ever done before, no other reference scores came close.

Word of advice: dont be too hasty chucking those maxtors in the bin, the diamond max drives are excellent especially on raid 0 array (SiSandra proves that). I doubt that delayed write fail is to do with the drive, I think its more to do with XP.

Thanks for all the informative posts

$@$#

Day Walker May 19, 2003, 06:51am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hello all

I also got this strange "Delayed Write Failed" error message after
installing a new WD800JB HDD. I used to have a WD800JB and a Maxtor
40 GB in my PC and never had any problems with that setup. After
replacing the Maxtor drive with a second WD800JB, the WDF errors
started occuring. My first guess was that the second WD drive was
defective, but before i removed it, i reformatted and installed a
clean XP Pro and the DWF problem didn't occur again. Untill I apllied the "DisablePagingExecutive an LargeSystemCache" register hacks. Basically these tweaks keep the XP kernel in the Physical memory to improve performance. As soon as i applied them, the DWF error started again. Rebooted in safe mode, disabled the tweaks again and the problem dissappeared. Now this is very strange because before i installed the second WD HDD, these tweaks worked like a charm on my PC (1024 MB DDR RAM). I don't have an explanationfor this, but i am planning a fresh install with only 1 drive attached to see if the problem still occurs with these tweaks aplied. I'll post result later.

If anyone has a solution to this I would greatly appreciate it.

Finally, look here for some more info about the DWF error:

http://www.tektips.com/viewthread.cfmspid=616&newpid=616&a...qid=224562


Day Walker May 19, 2003, 06:53am EDT Report Abuse
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James Robinson May 29, 2003, 02:59pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Got news for you guys. Simply put I have been using the LargeSystemCache tweak in the registry forever.....and am currently using it in an XP Pro environment...I have been using NVidia cards for the last several years (while they were on top : )) and recently I purchased a Radeon 9700....I carefully removed the Dets cleaned out the .inf and registry references to all things NVidia installed my Radeon and rebooted in VGA mode and promptly installed the latest catalyst drivers...on next reboot delayed write failed brougnht windows to its knees. I couldnt figure it out. So eventually I decided with the changes I had made to several HW componants I wiped and re-installed from scratch. Got all my crap installed updated and stripped down XP all I have left was to trick it out for performance (memory mangement..I/O....etc...) As soon as I enabled LSCache in the registry it happened again. I snapped the reset to minimize damage and got it using last known good....did a CHKDSK fixed a pile of errors. and recovered. Uninstalled the Catalyst drivers and rebooted with the GeForce3, turned the LSCache backon and no prob....I suspect ATI is playing around to increase performance. To quantify this if anyone has had this happen without a valid reason using a non-ATI card. Please let me know.

James Robinson
Director of Tech Services for Software Dev company.

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Lar shedenhelm Jun 03, 2003, 10:14am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I got this same error when I upgraded the video from Voodoo to the GeForce, Radeon9800. I'm going to try James method wish me luck.

Robzzz Jun 03, 2003, 05:20pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I had this problem trying to upgrade ATI drivers in the past. I blamed everybody and everything. ATI, Microslop, Maxtor, you name them I blamed them. Anyway, I recently just did a clean install of XP home on the offending system, and did an easy install of Catalyst 3.2 drivers with no problems. The thing is I had all these delayed write problems with my computer loaded up with all kinds of crap and left over stuff. Who knows what conflicts cause this problem. My guess is that any number of things can upset microslops' code, it just depends on what crap you have going at the time. Personally I keep my "clean working XP" cloned on a spare HD, so I can always go back to it.

Rob


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