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Mithrandir Greybeard Oct 11, 2003, 12:07pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hey Everybody,

I've got some new information! It has come to my attention that if you Goback and then you defrag the hard drive it will cause delay write failure. Goback saves it's restore points in a file called gobackio.bin and when defrag or speedisk tries to defrag that file, it gets corrrupted and can start a chain reaction of problems. Speeddisk is supposed to have fixed this since systemworks 2002 but i have just seen it happen with 2002. Version 2003 seems to be alright but microsoft defrag does not skip this file. Anyway the solution is to disable go-back possibly uninstall. Reinstall later when the problem goes away and disable goback before running any defrag or disk optimization programs then re-enable after rebbot. I hope this helps some of you.

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Steve Le Oct 12, 2003, 10:14pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hey everyone. I'm having a similar problem with my computer. I changed the memory setting to "System Cache" from "Programs" (BIG MISTAKE!) and now when the computer boots I just keep getting "Delayed Write Errors" at the boot up screen. So, when the computer booted and after various errors i finally get into windows which is very slow and i changed the LargeSystemCache to "0" which to my knowledge is the same as changin back to "Programs". so thinkin i fixed my problem i restart my computer, but now i cant even get into windows i just keep gettin "Delayed Write Errors" over and over again in the boot screen. This is a tough problem... anybody kno how to solve it without reformattin cuz i have alot of important stuff on my harddrive. Here r my specs.

Abit is7-G motherboard
2.8 gig 800 mhz fsb
2x256 ddr Kingston hyper X ram
Radeon All-in-wonder 9800 pro 128mb
120 gb Maxtor SATA hd

thanks.

Rick Wilson Oct 13, 2003, 08:11am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/atiproblem.htm

Once again everybody; follow the instructions EXACTLY as they are at this link and you won't have anymore problems using Large System Cache with your ATI card...

Anonymously Anonymous Oct 13, 2003, 11:43am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
okay, as somebody else said, it's HDD problem apaprently, made worse by some other circumstances (like an IDE card) but i returned my new problematic HDD and got a new one, the new one works fine.
cheers ^_^

Rick Wilson Oct 13, 2003, 12:32pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I had the problem across all my drives (2 Western Digital, one Maxtor)when I enabled Large System Cache....I used Ghost to put on a previous image which did not have LSC enabled; all drives were fine again. I used the aforementioned reg tweak to enable LSC, and my drives are still working fine. So maybe different things can cause the problem, this fix worked for me.

Steve Le Oct 13, 2003, 02:06pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I juss solved my problem. I hit f8 when the computer restarts to get the menu screen. then i choose to run Windows in the last known working configuration and it was fine. hope this helps some people, it worked for me.

A Friend Oct 19, 2003, 11:00pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP


If you haven't made any other changes to your system trying to solve this issue, then try loading "last known good configuration". This may solve the issue because the backup configuration is still valid.

If, however, you have made a number of changes and the "last known good configuration" is no longer actually good... try:
1) booting in safe mode and making the fixes already discussed
2) if you cannot boot in safe mode (like me), try the following to lower the page usage during boot:
* change to AGP x1 (from x2,x4,x8, etc)
* change AGP aperture size to 16M or lower (from 128M, 256M,etc)
* disable unnecessary IO peripherals
This should allow many of you to boot in regular windows mode to make the fixes...

shars Oct 19, 2003, 11:29pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
i have got the same errors but it only happens when i optimze my system memory from the default "programs" to "system cache". the way i fixed it was to boot to safe mode F8 and reverted back to programs.

now my only worry that it is caused by a failing hdd. i just got my 120gb maxtor sata drive so im not sure whether all this is due to the hdd or hercules radeon 9600 card ?

i have been having problems with the latest nero 6 where it says internal failure when i load it up, click cancel on the "what i want to do wizard" and select the "file" menu. has anyone had this problem with nero? could this be caused by the delayed write failure thingy?

Gabriel Klein Oct 22, 2003, 07:12am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP - How to recover your datas
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IMPORTANT // How to recover your datas
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I have the same problem than everyone....
My way to recover my datas (and I've recovered everything!) is to make a copy of the partition to another hard disk.

If you have an Harddisk with more than 137go... YOU MUST install Windows XP with SP 1 and "Maxtor Big Drive Enabler" (as they say on the WebSite...)


http://www.maxtor.com/en/support/downloads/index.htm

To copy your datas to another harddisk (copy a partition)
Download MaxBlast 3

To (resolve?) the problem
Maxtor Big Drive Enabler

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Best regards,
I hope it will help!

Gabriel Klein Oct 22, 2003, 07:13am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Note... the problem appear just after having installed Nero 6....

Jon Wells Nov 02, 2003, 10:02am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
I too blame the delayed write failure entirely on ATI. XP Professional, mirrored, with no problems for a year; changed from Nvidia to ATI Radeon 9200, instant chaos. Finally was able to remove all the Catalyst software and lots of cleanup, and it works again. What a disaster.

Mad Max Nov 03, 2003, 01:09pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Hi,

I had the same problem. Actually, there is another topic on this issue on this same site which helped solving this. For me, the solution was to lower the IDE bus speed from UDMA 6 to a lower rate (say, UDMA 2). Try experimenting with the IDE speed and find the highest value that still does not cause disk errors/warnings to appear in the Event Viewer. Also look for disk event type 50s (paging operation error), which also tend to disappear at lower IDE speeds.
Note that you need to do some "heavy" disk operations to check if your system works correctly (i.e. copying several GBs of data).
And as soon as you find the proper settings for correct operation, don't forget to format your problem hard disks (these errors tend to corrupt the directory structure which later on can cause data loss).

I hope this will help you as well. Anyway, it does not do any harm, so why not give it a try.

Have a nice day!

M.

Jon Wells Nov 03, 2003, 10:21pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Max,

As noted in my post, removing the Catalyst software fixed the problem - AFTER a whole day of cleanup.
I have done the other memory optimization fix, and when I have the nerve I suppose the ATI drivers may now load and work.

Also, one of my two RAID drives was apparently so badly corrupted that after several hours it failed to format at all. I wish I could recover the $150 from ATI. Since this is a known problem, even though it requires the combination of ATI software and memory optimization set to Programs not System Cache, I feel that ATI was absolutely irresponsible not to put a message in with their display board warning users about that setting before doing the install. They should bear full financial responsibility in a fair world.


Mad Max Nov 04, 2003, 06:44am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
Jon,

the interesting thing is that I have an NVIDIA Geforce in my computer and still got "delayed write failure". So this problem might not be 100% ATI specific.

/M.

Jon Wells Nov 04, 2003, 07:10am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
No, I agree that there are other causes than ATI. But since ATI is a known cause, they should have warned their users.

Jon

Suren Raju Nov 07, 2003, 11:31am EST Report Abuse
>> (Re: Karl's posting of September) on "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP

Phil B. Nov 25, 2003, 07:45pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
A little history here about how closely this problem relates to the ATI
side of the street. Hopefully a very advanced user will be able to take
this additional info and see where it is pointing and be able to take
ATI head on to fix this outrageous situation - obscure registry fixes
that take days on the web to find are NOT GOOD ENOUGH - right guys?

We should not be having to apply registry fixes to undo what shoddy software
has done to the ability to apply large system cache settings, which were
fine for me until the last 6 months.

At an earlier url listed here from ATI they admit that this much:
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4217.html

128 mb cards, large ram like 1gb, and larger hard drives like 80 gb
can have problems enabling large system cache. My system has all of that
and I am real P....ssed off that they have messed with xp basic memory
management functions in what I suspect is an attempt to make their
current drivers backward compatable with OS's that have less advanced
memory management capabilities than xp.

If I wanted crappy windows 98 functionality I would not have bought xp!!
Anyways, here are some of my best guesses and a little info to contribute
to solving this puzzle well enough so ATI can be confronted directly.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
This fix had to be applied to ATI drivers from the 7.83 version until the
7.93 version was released to eliminate some video corruption in Links Golf,
common enough problem but the fix had alarming and revealing results...

(in terms of releases the later 7.94 and 7.95 drivers are the 3.8 and 3.9
Catalyst drivers)

THE FIX FROM LINKS GOLF SUPPORT STAFF AT AN EARLIER TIME:

> Ok, I have some new info in regards to Links. There's something called
> Smartgart in the ATI control panel. Right click your desktop and click
> properties, then the settings tab and then on the advanced button.
> Click on the smartgart tab and then turn fast writes off and set the
> AGP speed to off and then reboot. Then go back and set both settings
> back to what they were. Reboot again. Links should play fine now.

////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Also, for a short period with a couple of driver releases previous to the 3.8
Catalyst ATI mysteriously (with no explanation) offered an uninstaller
for the SmartGart function. I strongly suspect this was a feeble attempt
on their part to offer a fix for the types of problems encountered here,
but typical of their closed mouth silence about ATI programming errors
they offered no info as to why Smartgart should have to be removed.

However, at that earlier time when I used their uninstaller it removed
the ability to apply the fix from the Links Golf staff, and the corrupt
video images returned so I had to reinstall it with Smartgart.

HERE IS THE KEY - THE BIG TIPOFF I SUSPECT...

After applying Golf fix I noticed an INCREDIBLE difference in the most important
of all task manager stats. The ATI driver process had, by applying the Links
Golf fix, apparently been loaded right into the non-paged kernel memory!!
To put this in perspective, a clean install of xp had this stat in the 12000 K
range, then installing the Application Accelerator from Intel (only for Pent IV
Intel boards guys) which reduces memory bottlenecking, brought the non-paged
kernel memory up to 24000 k. Now after the ATI Links Golf fix was applied the non-
paged Kernel memory shot up to 34000 k !!

Even loading the OS Kernel directly into ram (only do it on xp with 512 or better
ram) did not vary this important stat, and the large cache setting did not vary it
either. Anyways, after the release of the 7.93 ATI driver, I found I could no
longer use the large system cache setting, and nothing else had changed and
my system was rock solid stable to that point.

ATI IS MOST DEFINITELY MESSING WITH THE XP MEMORY PROCESS AND NOT OWNING UP
TO IT IN MY OPINION. I suspect this relates to how they have to have their
drivers compatable with earlier OS's that do not manage memory processes
as well as xp, so something they have done has perverted xp's ability to
switch to a large cache setting.

I have submitted this info to Sapphire who supplied my ATI 9000 Pro card, and
they use the exact drivers from ATI through a link, and their techs gave me
a big runaround and did not address the problem whatsover - actually passed
me around the globe from Hong Kong to U.S. to Canada.

ATI has since fixed the minor video corruption problem, but I still have booting
problems when the large cache is enabled so will try the fix for that here.
I would be curious to to know if after applying that fix and then having to
change to a newer ATI driver down the road, if it has to be re-applied or
large cache turned off for the install or what?

Anyone tried installing a new driver after a successful fix for the large
system cache?

A footnote:... for people with Intel boards that had 1.1 USB capability when
released - my board the D845BG is very common from the 1.6 processor time
period before USB 2.0 was built in, and Intel screwed up their motherboard
drivers with the June release this year (chipset software install utility)
and it has taken them 2 more releases to fix. The problem they temporarly
created was creating a 10 sec additional hang when loading the OS as the
bios was looking and expecting to find USB 2.0 functionality. They have now
removed this built in USB 2.0 functionality so USB 1.1 boards are not getting
rattled!

Just thought I would mention another cause of hangs and error messages at the boot

createdby a software vendor who at least was responsible to immediately fix it
and own up to creating the problem if one read the release notes for later
INF motherboard files. WISH ATI WAS A TENTH AS RELIABLE!!!

Phil B.



Phil B. Nov 25, 2003, 09:40pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
ABSOLUTE CONFIRMATION IT IS ATI RESPONSIBLE FOR PROBLEMS WHEN SWITCH FROM
PROGRAMS to SYSTEM CACHE (large system cache on xp)

Here it is guys, if you read my earlier post you will see I was about to try the registry fix from Mr.Wilson
but decided to try the ATI fix I got from Links Golf support months ago for a vid corruption problem with the 7.83 catalyst.

I did this "fix" listed below BEFORE switching the radio button from programs to system cache.
So do this first - this is the whole content from Links support staff:

Ok, I have some new info in regards to Links. There's something called
> Smartgart in the ATI control panel. Right click your desktop and click
> properties, then the settings tab and then on the advanced button.
> Click on the smartgart tab and then turn fast writes off and set the
> AGP speed to off and then reboot. Then go back and set both settings
> back to what they were. Reboot again. Links should play fine now.

Note when you reboot the AGP will be back up to 4x, at least it should be if you have ATI Smart on auto in services and not disabled. When you are going to set it back all that is left to do should be to enable fast write again and reboot.
Then after that reboot you go into the Performance tab and switch it over to "system cache" from
"programs" (leave the TOP radio button for programs alone, leave it on that setting)
Now you reboot again, and this is where my system would lock up and hang before so bad it was frozen.
Now it boots through fine, and checking the Performance settings is on system cache button as well.
My available ram program shows an increase of 8mb of increased "available" ram, and the task manager
non-paged kernel memory stat went up about 9000k meaning the AGP functions were loaded right into
the ram.
This is all fine on systems of 512 ram and up, but not even the OS kernel should be loaded right into ram
with any less, so a word of caution - you have no business using a larger system cache without a minimum
of 512 ram, it could really mess you up, and with this additional ATI stuff in there I would be more comfortable recommending at least 1gb ram like me at least until ATI explains this anomoly!
Good Luck guys - I suspect this accomplished the same thing as the registry fix but would be curious to know for sure if anyone knows how to confirm this.
Email that Links fGolf fix off to the Catalyst drivers feedback program after this works for you and complain like hell that it is absolute proof their driver software is not up to scratch and is corrupting xp ability to use the larger system cache setting without all this esoteric nonsense!!
Hope this helps.
Phil B.


Phil B. Nov 26, 2003, 11:34pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
... hate to take up so much area here - please forgive me guys - but this issue has affected so many people
with the ATI cards and large system cache setting I'll make a final post here that resolves the issue for me.
I will paste in the letter I fired off to the ATI Catalyst crew, I suggest you fire one off to them as well. The url is easily available at their site.
One final thing - I am a new signer here and can't find a way to start a new message thread or I would
have switched this over to something like "ATI Cards & Large Sys Cache Setting" where it would come up
more on topic... in fact, I am still trying to figure out how to search the message boards here - all I get is
product info. No big deal, great community site.
Here is the letter off to ATI on Nov 26 2003, mark the date - I predict at least one year before it is addressed!

Hello Catalyst,
You make great video cards and give them great features for graphics control - why
on EARTH can't you design a control panel & driver that allows the system cache setting
in the xp performance tab to be used properly?
Attention to your own url at this FAQ address makes this even more puzzling:
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4217.html
Here you note that systems with a large amount of RAM like 1 gb, that have decent
memory on video cards that should be accessing increased AGP aperture settings, and
have large hard drives, can have problems using the large cache feature in XP with ATI
video card software installed.
Man does that tick me and my gamer friends off! I went and spent a lot on these
hardware features to get me better gaming results and they showed no benefit until
I finally came up with a workaround that would allow me to enable the large system
cache setting. The performance boost was undeniable.
Finally I can properly load the OS Kernel directly into ram, turn off the prefetch
mechanism, load critical threads ahead of time, increase the AGP aperture and get
the results I had anticipated.
Now I am able to use anti alias settings on demanding games like Combat Flight
Simulator 3, my NHL hockey game plays with no stuttered graphics when I increase my
AGP aperture to the proper recommended setting for my ram and vid card, and so on.
To make things even worse, the fix I finally came across that 2 of your own
technicians posted at an obscure web site to alter the registry yields no performance
boost whatsover, in fact benchmarks drop 2 % and they want user input to increase
them.
The fix I use allows the system to boot normally and use the large system cache
setting properly, and it came from a user writing in to Links Golf Support in March
2003 as a workaround for "snow cam" video corruption your drivers caused in that game
from the 7.82 driver up until the 7.93 finally fixed it.
You were made aware of this fix in March by several of us Links Golfers as well as
Microsoft contractors, and Microsoft themselves. It still took you many driver
releases to fix it. Isn't it ironic we now have to resort to the same mickey mouse fix to
allow us to manage XP memory options as intended when large amounts of ram are
involved?
I am so ticked off at you guys! I only have the AGP 4x on my Intel D845BG board
right now, and am going to upgrade the motherboard and processor to an 8x AGP board
soon. I was hoping to go and get the state of the art 9800 ATI card, but with this
track record of not addressing as serious a problem as memory interference I don't see
the point. Do YOU?
FYI here is the url that describes the inferior fix your technicians recommended to
an over appreciative web site operator:
http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/atiproblem.htm
And here is the fix I maintain has the best results instead. It was supplied by a
Links Golf Support contractor, and has all the correct statistical impacts - something
the registry fix above does not do. For example, non-paged kernel memory increases as
it should and available ram increases as well, cache clearing software works properly
and the loaded OS Kernel and extra critical threads show up in task manager stats.
The simple fix that works best as laid out by Links Golf Support:
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
>"Ok, I have some new info in regards to Links. There's something called
> Smartgart in the ATI control panel. Right click your desktop and click
> properties, then the settings tab and then on the advanced button.
> Click on the smartgart tab and then turn fast writes off and set the
> AGP speed to off and then reboot. Then go back and set both settings
> back to what they were. Reboot again. Links should play fine now."
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Ok there you have it ATI, and there will be no shortage of this info floating
around the message boards in the near future. I really hope you address this problem
of ATI software slaughtering XP memory management functions so we can upgrade our
cards with confidence. You definitely have the best cards but your software is highly
suspect and it takes you years - literally - to fix common user complaints!
Thank you for your time...it may be worth noting my config just uses the control
panel and video driver - there is no All In Wonder capability.
Phil


NT Doc Dec 04, 2003, 03:36am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: "delayed Write failure" in WIN XP
"Delayed Write Failed" Error Message When You Manage Files in Windows XP


I am looking for someone (MICROSOFT?) to correct this issue.

Here is the information that I have available to demonstrate that this problem
mainly appears to be related to Windows XP and Large Hard Drives.

There is so much different affected hardware (on XP) that it is difficult to find a real
lowest common denominator. So far I have not found anyone claiming to have this issue
on Windows 2000. I'm not saying that someone doesn't have the issue, I just have not found
a link on the Web saying so. That does show that at least XP is one common denominator.
There appear to be more people with a ATI cards complaining of this issue then there are with
other video cards. That would tend to indicate that ATI video cards "may" be at least partially
another common denominator. Maxtor and Western Digital hard drives appear to be mentioned more
then any others but I would guess that this issue effects all new large EIDE/ATA drives that
require 48Bit addressing to use.

I am unable to find the KB on Maxtor's site but I've included the URLs from Western Digital
that at least acknowledge the issue.

So far though it appears that NO ONE (Promise, Western Digital, Maxtor, Microsoft, etc) has done much
about it. The KB articles suggest a few things, but most of the suggestions are futile for
everyone. So far I have not found anything that CONCLUSIVELY fixes the problem for EVERYONE involved.

I have not modified the Program memory settings in the Advanced tab, they are as set by the XP installation.
On my system I get event viwer errors and system freezes.
Disk Management says the WD1200 is Healthy (but at risk)
There are physical clunking sounds at random times from the Hard Drive/s
When system was running Windows 2000 and only WD1200 and WD800 there was no such
issue with Delayed Write Failed
If I unplug the new WD250 and plug in my old WD800 with Windows 2000 and use the built-in IDE ports
on the Motherboard there are no Delay Write issues and the occassional clunking sound goes away too.
Once I plug the new WD2500 back into the Promise Ultra100 TX2 the issue comes back.


Running Windows XP Pro w/SP1
ASUS CUSL2 Motherboard
BIOS 1009
Intel PIII 933
Micron CAS 2 SDRAM 133MHz 512MB
ATI Radeon All-In-Wonder 8500DV with Catalyst 3.9 Drivers
WinXP Promise Ultra100 TX2
Western Digital 2500JB-32FUA0 8MB Cache (Primary on Ultra100)
Western Digital 1200JB-00CRA1 8MB Cache (Slave on Ultra 100)
Using brand new 80Wire/40Pin Cable
WD2500 is Basic Disk
WD1200 is Dynamic
WD2500 Bus 0, ID 0, LUN 0
WD1200 BUS 0, ID 1, LUN 0
Sony DRU500A DVD/Writer
Plextor 40/12/40A CD/Writer


"Delayed Write Failed" Error Message When You Manage Files in Windows XP
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http://www.tweakhound.com/xp/xptweaks/atiproblem.htm
http://www.bustrace.com/products/delayedwrite.htm
http://www.ati.com/support/infobase/4217.html
http://www.eventid.net/display.asp?eventid=26&source=ultra
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/13302/
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/2459/?o=20
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/2458/
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/7888/?o=60


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