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Kris Richards Dec 12, 2002, 10:01am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Right well it turns out it IS a power problem, whenever I add the sound card (tried every pci slot and tested so I know its not a conflict problem) the system starts crashing again.

Sigh well looks like im going to have to buy a new Graphics card or have no sound :0(.

Pc has a 400watt lead, but I dont think its how much current it gets but how the mother board distributes it, ive heard of people with a 300 watt lead with no problems.

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Adam Martin Dec 12, 2002, 11:45am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Okay...this is what I tried...I unplugged every cord from my dvd drive and cdrom driver. I also unplugged my floppy disk drive and side panel fan. So the only thing connected was the power to my video card and hard drive. (plus my PCI cards). This time, BF1942 ran for 10 min instead of 5...but it still froze as usual. Anyone else have any ideas...new or along the power side. Thanks

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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94TransAm Dec 12, 2002, 09:21pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
what sixe PSU do you have Adam

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Gigabyte GA-7VAXP / KT400 Chipset
Athlon XP 1800+
512 PC2100
Antec Truepower 480w PS
Windows XP Pro
Radeon 9700 Pro
Soundblaster Live Xgamer
Sidewinder Strategic Commander
John Seether Dec 12, 2002, 09:52pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I *think* I'm having this problem too, only with a ECS K7S5A. Symptoms are pretty similar. The 5-15 minute hang on anything using Direct3D. Haven't tried anything with OpenGL. Running under WinXP if that makes any difference.

So far since initial install with my cd...
I've tested for overheating
Updated the Radeon Drivers
Updated the Onboard Sound Drivers (C-Media)
Replaced the cpu, video with the same from the computer shop
Updated the AGP Drivers (SiS)
Tried setting the AGP to 2x and 1x
Tried disabling the onboard soundcard, modem and NIC
Tried running in a bunch of different resolutions
Updated the ATI Drivers to those 2.5 drivers that somebody found; however the in-panel CATALYST display still reads 2.4

After all that, system still crashes on Direct3D after 5-15 minutes or so... in terms of 3DMark2001SE benchmarking program, that's usually near the Matrix tests...

Any help is greatly appreciated.
I love watching 3DMark for the 5-15 minutes before it crashes.

I suppose I'll try the 'bare bones' approach of unplugging everything later this evening (I added a new HD since the original setup) but I'm tired and need a break now...

Adam Martin Dec 12, 2002, 11:51pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
My Power Supply Unit is a 350W. PowerUp Switching Power System?

On one set of wires I have the Video Card, hard drive, disk drive, and side panel fan. On another set of wires I have my CD-Rom and DVD drive.

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Adam Martin Dec 13, 2002, 07:39pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
How many volts is safe? I want to try and get rid of this Loop problem and people have had success by upping theier voltage. How high can I SAFETLY put the Vcore, DDR, and AGP?

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Eclipsor Dec 14, 2002, 06:00am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
When you take everything out, take out everything except the video card, RAM, Mobo power (obviously) and HDD. Take out the pci cards too. I've had another experience yesterday and today. Yesterday I got paid. So the obvious place to be was the computer shop. My computer is nearly finished. I got a new case, Hard drive, burner and some lights. I had planned to get a new psu aswell, but my withdrawel limit for the day was reached :). Ok I got it all home and installed my other components into the case and plugged in the FIVE, yes 5 case fans that it came with. Plus the two cold cathodes and everything else. Pressed the power and it started powering up and then it just died. cut the power. Luckily the psu must have had some protection. so I took out all the fans and lights and it powered up fine. However when I tried running some of the radeon demos or UT2003 the computer froze and reset itself before it even displayed anything. So today I drove around half the city trying to find a good psu. I went all out and got a 550W Enermax. It has more pluggs coming off it than anything I'd seen before. I plugged everything in and it all worked. Even with all the fans and with original drivers that all the parts came with. That was what made me think that it might have been partly a psu problem way back with my original one.

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Epox 8rda3+, Athlon xp 2600+, 512Mb 466MHzDDR ram, Hercules Radeon 9700 pro, Samsung 19" flat crt, Sony 15" LCD, Lite-On 52x52x24 burner, WD 80Gig with 8Meg cache, Enermax 550W psu, ThermalTake Xaser2 6000a
Eclipsor Dec 14, 2002, 06:04am EST Report Abuse
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new specs:

ASUS A7V8X
Athlon 1800+
512 PC2700 RAM
Hercules Radeon 9700 pro
Western Digital 80Gb with 8Mb cache
Lite-On 52x52x24 burner
Enermax 550W psu
Thermaltake Xaser2 6000a
5 x thermaltake 80mm case fans
2 x cold cathode neons

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Epox 8rda3+, Athlon xp 2600+, 512Mb 466MHzDDR ram, Hercules Radeon 9700 pro, Samsung 19" flat crt, Sony 15" LCD, Lite-On 52x52x24 burner, WD 80Gig with 8Meg cache, Enermax 550W psu, ThermalTake Xaser2 6000a
1 Dec 14, 2002, 11:08am EST Report Abuse
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I have 3 systems running xp home and radeon 9700 pros with no problems. Originally, all of them would have a glitch or two with no consistancy but I found that increasing the DDR voltage to 2.7 or 2.8 and the agp voltage to 1.8v cured everything. I now run a ut2k3 server on one and play for 5 hours at a time on the other.
xp2800+ (unlocked at 2,505mghrtz)
soyo kt4 platinum
512 mb corsair xms2700c2
enermax 550 watt psu
radeon 9700 pro

xp2700+ (unlocked by factory)
msi kt4 ultra
512 mb ocsystem pc3200
enermax 461 watt psu
radeon 9700 pro
IBM 36.4 scsi 10k
adaptec 39160 (pain in the butt)

xp2600+(unlocked at factory)
enermax 550 watt
msi kt4 ultra
1 gig corsair xms2700c2
radeon 9700 pro

Originally I recieved all sorts of freezes with no messages. Once voltage values were increased from the bios, I have recieved no more freezes of any kind. Strangly enough those freezes would only occur in ut2k3....so its fairly obvious that this game pushes the card. As for the guy that claims that their are no games out supporting pixel shaders......try commanche 4 with your geforce 4 and put your system next to mine and youll see the difference. By the same token I am running dx9 beta 3 and radeon catalyst rco drivers on all 3 systems. Something the geforce cant even imagine. On top of that running dvi into the lowest latency digital displays at 1280x1024x32bit with all visuals set at max, ut2k3 plays and looks far better then my internet system which has a ti4600 with voltage mod. Ut2k3 might not specify pixel shaders in the visuals option display however it is imbedded in the "highest" setting.

Adam Martin Dec 14, 2002, 11:13am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Okay...I have one back fan, one side panel fan, and a CPU fan. I also have a 350W PSU. Would it be safe for me to up to those voltages? What temperatures should I watch for and not let the computer get above? What are the 'safe' temperatures. I am really getting sick of this freezing.

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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John Payne Dec 14, 2002, 01:17pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I don't know what to think about this?

I got my new ati aiw 9700 pro RMA from ATI. Now I have two sitting here testing them. I put the new one in and all of a sudden I get more shut-downs when playing 3d games. Tweaked and manipulated all options in directx, still same results. I also purchased a 400watt power supply yesterday, from 300 watts.

This morning I put in the old graphics card and I have been playing gta3 now for 1.5 hours with NO PROBLEMS! Before I would play for 5 minutes and re-boot all by itself. The looping problem....

I could be bad memory on the graphics card itself. I am keeping the old one and sending the new one back. I did not really have a re-booting problem before just corrupted graphics, I think b/c of the 300watt psu. Now that I have the 400watt with the old graphics card I am running smooth as silk :)

The root of all of our problems may just be bad memory on the card itself?

That is my .02 worth :)

Thanks
John

1 Dec 14, 2002, 05:46pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Its doubtfull to me that the ram on the card is bad.....but the aiw cards have always had incompatibilities, I dont know of anyone that has succesfully gotten all of the features to work.
The power supply is definately a good thing though. One that states 350 watts might peak at 350 but average at 250. Running an athlon xp chip will take a bit of that. I always get good psu's since they will last forever and see their way into many systems in the future. They are sort of like a nice case....you dont grow out of it!
As for the 350 p4-2.8:
I would definately consider getting a nice hard drive, you already have nice hardware, why not just do the finishing touch?

John Seether Dec 16, 2002, 05:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I just got a call back from the computer shop where my system's been sitting for the past few days. They replaced the ram with DDR ram (it wasn't using it before because I figured I could buy some later from someone else) to match the DDR ram the Raedon was using and they're saying it isn't locking up anymore.
Clock Cycle difference? Hmmmm.

Kris Richards Dec 17, 2002, 05:37pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Well things can get pretty damn obscure using this card! im glad we have people covering everthing!.

Joe Smolinski Dec 18, 2002, 07:18pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I'm also going nuts over a problem. I have just bought a 9700 pro, just installed the lates drivers, and my problem is in games like UT2003 and Hitman 2 (only ones I've tried since the upgrade), the game will either lock, close completely, or change to garbled graphics. I have an AMD 1.4, 512MB of SDRam, a ECS K7VZA mobo. Any help would be appreciated. I just upgraded from an NVidia (cruddy GeForce2, but never had problems). Also sometimes after the game just closes, I'll re-boot and the pc will run scandisk and when windows opens(XP) it says my system has recovered from a serious error. Help Please!!

Joe Smolinski Dec 18, 2002, 08:23pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
BTW, I once tried to upgrade my via drivers and my pc moved slower than an old woman at the supermarket. It took like 5 times longer to boot, and was very slow. I also have never had the loop whatever error, but I checked the watchdog and I guess that I have had it. My pc does not re boot though, it just closes the program. I've played a few other games (older) and dont seem to have any problems with them.

Joe Smolinski Dec 18, 2002, 08:23pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
BTW, I once tried to upgrade my via drivers and my pc moved slower than an old woman at the supermarket. It took like 5 times longer to boot, and was very slow. I also have never had the loop whatever error, but I checked the watchdog and I guess that I have had it. My pc does not re boot though, it just closes the program. I've played a few other games (older) and dont seem to have any problems with them.

Joe Smolinski Dec 18, 2002, 08:23pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
BTW, I once tried to upgrade my via drivers and my pc moved slower than an old woman at the supermarket. It took like 5 times longer to boot, and was very slow. I also have never had the loop whatever error, but I checked the watchdog and I guess that I have had it. My pc does not re boot though, it just closes the program. I've played a few other games (older) and dont seem to have any problems with them.

paul andow Dec 19, 2002, 03:33am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
After reading all of the above and carrying out some of my own investigation, you may want to look at this link...it tells you which boards are compatible and which aint. Simple as that. When you get into the site, choose "radeon 9700" from "tech support" heading. Then choose your motherboard manufacturer and voila.

My advice to you if your board is problematic with this card is to return your card and get a gf4 4600.

Hope this helps.

http://www.rage3d.com/


JC Bailey Dec 19, 2002, 05:35am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
my system is finally running stable.
i get 13,400 benchmarks from 3dmark2k1 SE.
p4x400 soyo dragon ultra
p4 2.4ghz
pc3200 DDR400 Corsair XMS memory 512
radeon 9700 pro and 400 watt power supply
running at DDR333 in bios instead of DDR400 (slower, benchmark @ 11,300) things ive done to correct the freezing/lockups/reboots :
AGP fast write disabled.
Vcore 1.55v (displays 1.50 instead of default 1.47)
DDR set to 2.6v (displays 2.57 instead of 2.47 default)



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