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mike bottom Dec 29, 2002, 11:15pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Hey, thanks for the replies--I'll definitely look into that.

To the person with the matrix game problem in 3dmark, I can tell you something that might help--I'm not sure how much, though.

Before overclocking my system, the matrix game would never crash the system. The reason I was overclocking in the first place was that I have DDR333 SDRAM, but the motherboard, a Gigabyte 8iexp, can only handle DDR226 (I foolishly did not think of that when I built the computer). I wanted to squeeze the most out of the memory, so I set the CPU Host frequency above the 133 (133*2=266) and to 160, which is closer to 333. Also in the Bios, to make things run more smoothly (or so I thought) I disabled Fixed PCI/AGP Frequency. This set the PCI/AGP frequency higher accordingly. At this point I also gave a +.2 voltage boost to the AGP card, a +.2 voltage boost to the processor, and no boost to the memory (since it was meant to run at 333 in the first place). Needless to say, the system crashed during the matrix demo on 3dmark.

I reset the settings to the previous ones, and things ran fine. Now, my advice to you (which should definitely be taken with a grain of salt):

The Matrix part of the 3dmark is really quite demanding on the system, especially memory, as someone previously mentioned.

Check your motherboard maximum memory frequency--make sure that the memory frequency is set accordingly, because if it is too high your motherboard is taking a lot of strain.

Check your PCI/AGP frequencies. Try them at the lowest setting (33/66 I think), or if they are at that already, underclock them using utilities suggested above.

If your power supply is lower than 300 watts, the board is probably crapping out on you--underclocking again should help with this.


Personally, I would bet it is the memory and CPU taking too much strain. Since overclocking is what did this to me, underclocking is what you could try.

Hope this helps, or at least gives some ideas.

-Mike

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Bobby Marshall Dec 29, 2002, 11:30pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
i got through the matrix part of the program on my first try. it stopped at the beginning of the nature part. and does it mean anything that i was able to complete 3dmark with all the same ram cpu and everything except different vid card (geforce 2 64 mb)

Bobby Marshall Dec 30, 2002, 12:20am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
now im really confused because i just tried to 3dmark again and finished with amazing results. i got a 15255. im extremly confused gonna go play some games and see if comp turns off.

Bobby Marshall Dec 30, 2002, 01:24am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
played soldier of fortune 2 for a while. a long while(about 2 hours) then like always the computer shut off. it restarted then i tried to run 3dmark and my computer shut off in the middle of the nature part.

so in summery with rest the card works for a long while(i think about 2 hours). REST= about 2 or 3 hours out of my computer with gefroce 2 taking over. but then without its needed "rest" the card wont run any more gaming programs for over 5 minutes. I am more confused than ever. and i dont think the problem is heat becase i have 7 case fans 2 blowing right onto to the card. i need help. gonna call ati tommorow but from what i have heard they are no help.

JC Bailey Dec 30, 2002, 03:17am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
just to let everyone know what fixed all of my problems,
i set the AGP voltage to 1.6 instead of default 1.5. have
been running fine for weeks now, no lockups, etc.....

soyo dragon p4x400 ultra platinum
p4 2.4ghz
512mg ddr400 pc3200
ATI Radeon 9700 pro
400 watt p/s
3dmark2k1 SE average 13,500


JC Bailey Dec 30, 2002, 03:56am EST Report Abuse
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also i turned off AGP fast writes.

Eclipsor Dec 30, 2002, 07:48am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
congrats. you've been on this post a while.:)

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Epox 8rda3+, Athlon xp 2600+, 512Mb 466MHzDDR ram, Hercules Radeon 9700 pro, Samsung 19" flat crt, Sony 15" LCD, Lite-On 52x52x24 burner, WD 80Gig with 8Meg cache, Enermax 550W psu, ThermalTake Xaser2 6000a
Sean Dec 30, 2002, 10:21am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
hi all,

I just (finally) heard from ASUS re: the A7V8X/Radeon 9700 combo. Here's the message I got:

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Dear customer:

This is because the ATI 9000/9700 designation is not fully compliant with Intel's AGP Spec. Please contact with ATI for solution ASAP.
We have made some modification on A7V8X PCB 1.04B or later to assist ATI to solve the problem, but to solve the problem completely
and improve the system stability, please also contact with ATI
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I'm not too up on video technology generally, but this sounds like a much uglier and darker version of browser wars to me... Does Intel really define what does and doesn't work in regards to AGP?

Sean

1 Dec 30, 2002, 10:47am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
it doesnt happen to all of a7n8x boards....yesterday I installed my a7n8x deluxe with xp2800+, 1024mb corsair xms3500, radeon 9700 pro(buiolt by ati). I was able to bench without a problem and play ut2k3 instagib for about 6 hours yesterday. For those interested on whether or not its worth upgrading to this board here is my bench.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=5484122

Sean Dec 30, 2002, 11:09am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Thanks for letting me know it works somewhere. However, I'm not even vaguely familiar with water cooling, cold cathodes, spec heatsinks, etc. And yes, I'm a wimp box builder. If I absolutely need to learn about cold cathodes to get this card to work, then I'll do it, but...

Is there a "known good" board/memory/etc configuration for this card that simply works when you plug it in, without any BIOS tweaking or specialised cooling?

Sean

mike bottom Dec 30, 2002, 11:44am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
This is a message for Bobby Marshall:

Hey, I don't think it is your AGP board that is overheating--it's probably the CPU or the motherboard taking too much strain. There is a way to check this.

Go into your BIOS and go into the part that deals with system stability. It should display the temperature, in Celsius, of the CPU. If this is in the 30s or 40s, you should be fine. However, remember that a system that has had time to cool and is booting up is significantly cooler than a system running 3dmark or a high-end game. After your computer crashes and you reboot, go into the bios immediately, and check the temperature. Anything in the fifties is high, and a chip that is overheating causes the system to crash.

Hope this helps.

-Mike

Bobby Marshall Dec 30, 2002, 04:00pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
i checked the temp it was 46.5. i called pentium and they said overheating for my processor was at 75. i dont think the cpu is overheating.

1 Dec 30, 2002, 07:54pm EST Report Abuse
>> to bobby marshall
I used to play the same game (sof2) and have the exact same problems. I become a member of sierra message boards and found that alot of people have used this game as a tool to find problems that exist with their machine. Meaning that this game will use what ever memory you have and then use a massive paging file on top. I began by investigating the mother board. Turned out the version 1 gigabyte ga7vrxp was recalled for agp problems using the ti4600.....k, so got a new mobo, soyo kt4dragon platinum........wasnt the cure, swapped the ram.......... miracle cure! In the end I had 2 bad sticks of ram that would play all sorts of games but just didnt have what it took to play that dang game.
I sent the ram back to corsair for evaluation and replacement and they confirmed the bad ddr and gave me new stuff that was even better.
The problem has never come back since.

Eclipsor Dec 30, 2002, 09:58pm EST Report Abuse
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ok um. correct me if I'm wrong but isn't sean mcmullin talking about a completely different mobo than docmodgod? sean is talking about the a7V8x and docmodgod is talking about the a7N8x. Completely different boards. And apart from your motherboard doc, you happen to have an awsome cpu and ram. Back to Sean's original post about the a7v8x. I have one of these motherboards. Although I had original problems with it, after I upgraded my psu it works fine with a radeon 9700 pro by hercules. In regards to your next post. I don't have water cooling, and I don't live in some sub-zero climate. In fact quite the opposite in queensland, Australia. So I don't think that it's necessary unless you plan to overclock. Cold cathodes are lights. The "cold" bit just means that they don't create much heat. they don't do anything for cooling unless you have halagen lamps or something in your computer, in which case I'd strongly suggest swapping. :) just kidding. And finally with regards to heatsinks. I do have a non stock heatsink on my cpu. A zalman copper. But I don't know how much better than the amd one it is. It is just quiet. I also have the heatsinks and fan that the video card came with. thats all. Admitidly the hercules 9700 comes with ramsinks on all ram modules (both sides) and a heatsink on the underside of the vpu.

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Epox 8rda3+, Athlon xp 2600+, 512Mb 466MHzDDR ram, Hercules Radeon 9700 pro, Samsung 19" flat crt, Sony 15" LCD, Lite-On 52x52x24 burner, WD 80Gig with 8Meg cache, Enermax 550W psu, ThermalTake Xaser2 6000a
Bobby Marshall Dec 30, 2002, 10:12pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
ok. I called ati today. after a long wait i finally got advanced tech support. he told me in bios to change my cpu speed from 2800 to 2100. right now the games i want to play work fine but my 3d mark is down 3000 pts. from 15255 to 12500. Now this may not bother some people but i payed for a pentium 2.8ghz i payed a good amount and i dont want to be stuck with a pentium 2.1 ghz (which if i wanted i could have bought and saved a lot of money) so what does this mean. at 2800 it doenst work but with 2100 it works. could someone explain.

Sean Dec 30, 2002, 10:59pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Thanks very much for all the info Eclipsor, that's a big help. I had wondered a bit about the MB name difference, quickly found that it was a different board.

So, I thought this time of year they bundled all the computers out of Queensland and sent them down south for a bit of relief? jk, happy sweltering, it was -14C here on the tundra today.

One other dumb question: What's a psu? I'm very new to the nomenclature, as you can tell.

Sean

Kevin Stricker Dec 31, 2002, 04:03am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I thought I'd post my findings here. I had an infinite loop problem with my Radeon 8500 for almost a year, an a7a266 board/512mb pc2400 memory running @ 266, tried everything.

On the advice of numerous people I recently replaced my mainboard with a MSI KT Ultra 333, and my psu with an Enermax 350w. I unfortunately continued to have the same problem (I found a VERY repeatable bug in Warcraft III I could quickly test with)

Upon discovering this thread I downloaded the radeonator software (which, by the way supports 9700s now apparently) And underclocking using that software eliminated the problem.

Knowing that AMD systems tend to have this problem more often I decided to do some testing. I did three trials using a cpu/mem frequency of 265.50, and three trials @ 270.00. All three trials @ 265.5 were successful, and all three trials @ 270.00 caused my PC to get the infinite loop error.

The data rate my memory is running at (266MHz) falls right in that range.

One or more success stories on this thread involve switching from pc2100 to faster memory.

Is there a chance that isn't a coincidence?


Eclipsor Dec 31, 2002, 08:30am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
In regards to bobby's post about the p4 underclocking. Some of the things that would change by underclocking the processor would be the decrease in heat. So have a look at your temps and maybe think about a better heatsink. It would also use more power. What power supply are you using? Before just accepting the speed. Have you tried increasing it back up little by little? Just some thoughts?

In reply to Sean. psu is a power supply. I guess p for power and su for SUpply. Go figure. or maybe u for unit? Could someone let me know. I've always wondered. There seems to have been alot of problems with some motherboards distributing current to different sections on the motherboard. A bigger power supply supplies more current to different to each voltage line. You lucky bastard. -14 degrees. I'm going down south for a holiday soon, where I'll hopefully see snow for the first time. :) cya

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Epox 8rda3+, Athlon xp 2600+, 512Mb 466MHzDDR ram, Hercules Radeon 9700 pro, Samsung 19" flat crt, Sony 15" LCD, Lite-On 52x52x24 burner, WD 80Gig with 8Meg cache, Enermax 550W psu, ThermalTake Xaser2 6000a
1 Dec 31, 2002, 10:42am EST Report Abuse
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psu does mean power supply unit, sorry bout that board mix up. Underclocking the radeon does one other thing and that is use less power. Have you already tried increasing the voltage to the radeon? Why did you go with the kt333? The MSI kt4vl is $82 and has all the same stuff + agp8x and the board will unlock your thourobred chip without any mess or self mutalation! I have one and though Im not to impressed with the layout of the board at all It is really convienient to not have to unlock the chip with any pencil or silver compound. Run it at 333 anyway because the performance is better then 400 at this point.
Lets not get to complicated though....looking too deep into may cause you to overlook something as simple as you forgot to uninstall one of the radeon drivers before installing the new ones?
Always uninstall your previous drivers before installing the new one!

One other thing is that if you are using dx9 which Im sure that most of you are.......you MUST install dx9 before installing the ati dx9 drivers.
Make sure that your os is completely updated too!

Kevin Stricker Dec 31, 2002, 11:05am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
>> Underclocking the radeon does one other thing and that is use less power. Have you already tried increasing the voltage to the radeon?

This is one thing I didn't try yet with the new configuration.

>> Why did you go with the kt333? The MSI kt4vl is $82 and has all the same stuff + agp8x and the board will unlock your thourobred chip without any mess or self mutalation!

Actually, the board was a christmas gift ;)

>> Lets not get to complicated though....looking too deep into may cause you to overlook something as simple as you forgot to uninstall one of the radeon drivers before installing the new ones?
Always uninstall your previous drivers before installing the new one!

I tested on a fresh install on WinXP, with all my drivers up to date. I am a software support specialist, so if I overlooked something it was almost certainly hardware related.

I'll try increasing AGP voltage. I tried increasing my CPU FSB to 138 without underclocking the card and it appeared to be marginally more stable than the "normal" value. Odd.


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