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Matthew Cook Jan 04, 2003, 04:23pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
After some performance problems (ie 3DMark of 7401! and jittery graphics in some D3D games), I finally got my Radeon purring...

My setup is like this..

Thermaltake Xaser II Case - w 3 case fans running (2 intake, 1 out-take)
Enermax 460watt PSU (w 2 out-take fans)
Gigabyte GA-7VAXP Rev 1.1 mobo
Athlon XP 2700+ CPU - w/ thermometer connected)
Thermaltake Volcano 7+ cooler (running at low speed, nice n quiet)
(CPU temperiture while playing Unreal Tournament - 45 Degrees C)
512MB Samsung PC-2700 (DDR 333) Memory
Seagate Barracuda 40Gb 7200rpm HDD
Saphire Radeon 9700 Pro
CD-RW etc

DX9 Installed
ATI 4 in 1 Drivers v4.45 Installed

After reading this forum topic I tried increasing the voltage on both memory and AGP by 2% ... this resulted in a 3DMark increase in score from 7401 to 12313 and no instability! (Note: In order to do this your pc needs to be well cooled my system still stayed at 45-48 Degrees C while playing 3D heavy games).

However I still had jittery graphics in Unreal Tournament and RTC Wolfenstein was very laggy in main menu and gameplay.

I then solved both of these problems by uninstalling the ATI Drivers v7.81 and installing the latest WinXp 'Omega' Radeon Drivers V2.3.55..

HEY PRESTO, I RECOMMEND THESE DRIVERS TO ALL OF YOU WITH PROBLEMS WITH THE RADEON 9700, I ALSO RECOMMEND THE VOLTAGE INCREASE (This board seems to need more power)

For those of you with crashing problems you need a well powered and cooled system (at least 350 - 450+ watt) with latest BIOS, VIA 4in1 and the Omega Radeon Drivers v2.3.55

Omega Drivers can be found here - (no spaces)
http://www.link-empire.com/modules.php?name=Downloads&d_op...amp;cid=53

Good luck to you all, the long hard troubleshooting is worth it - THIS CARD IS A BEAST

Here are some benchmarks if, would be nice to compare, please post em up LOL

3DMark 2001se, 1024*768*32 res - 12313
Sandra 2002 CPU Benchmark - 5897 / 2959









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Matthew Cook Jan 04, 2003, 04:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Forgot to say in Unreal Tournament (not UT 2003) I got average framrates of 200-250 ! on 1024*768*16 resolution

One more thing... 3DMark 2001se cores decrease when choosing anti-aliasing, is this right ? The more AA samples I choose, the lower the score goes, anyone else get this ?

Sorry for babbling on... I'm going now Honest LOL

1 Jan 05, 2003, 10:40am EST Report Abuse
>> matthew cook
Have you checked your ram settings??? With the 2700+ and samsung ram you should be able to get around 14,000 3dmarks. Your framerate sounds great but your running at 16 bit which is sacrifices a bit of the graphics candy this game has to offer.

3dmark2001se build 330- 16,353
ut2003flyby- 219.32 at 1024x768x32
botmatch-80.64

ram timings:2-2-5-2-1t-2 bank


Hiren Shah Jan 07, 2003, 12:11pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Hello,

I have recently built my new system with the following specs:

MSI K7D Master Motherboard
1 GB DDRRAM
160 GB HDD
2 x 2200+ MP AMD Athlons
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro
Soundblaster Audigy 2
Lian Li PC 60
Enermax 550W PSU
Promise ATA 100 Controller Card

Anyway I have installed DirectX 9 and when I went to the ATI site to download the drivers, I told me the best ones would be the new Catalyst 3.0, so I go and install those! The problem arises when I install a program and then reboot. The graphics display reverts back to its standard resolution in Windows XP Pro (800 by 600 at 60Hz)!

Can someone please tell me why this happens and how I can stop it?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks
H D SHAH

Outa Myhead Jan 07, 2003, 04:05pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I have just found out that on the GA-7VAXP boards the latest BIOS (F9) enables AGP fastwrite as default, the thing I don't get is that I have not seen or been able to find the fastwrite option in the BIOS has anyone else found it if so where is the little....blighter hiding?

See bio for system setup.
Bobby Marshall Jan 07, 2003, 07:30pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
go to display settings(right click your backround), settings, advanced,smart gear tm. There you can set agp speed and fast write settings. if this does nothing try in advanced going to trouble shoot and make sure enable write combining is off. this didnt help me but it did help other people.

ANd this card is worth it!!!!!!!

Matthew Cook Jan 08, 2003, 04:02am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Re: GA-7VAXP F9 BIOS and AGP Fast Write.

When you get in to the BIOS press Ctrl + F1, This enables more advanced options which for some reason Gigabyte decieded to hide (Dont ask me why).

Then you should see the AGP fast write option. (Sorry cant remember which section of the BIOS it's under). Gives you a chance to become familiar with it ... :-)


Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 10:57am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I am starting to get really p**sed off. My computer is still freezing after five minutes of gameplay. I have tried everything except taking it down to nothing and then reinstalling in the order above. Would that really make a difference? It shouldn't and I have heard people trying it and it not working. My system is set up perfectly (took months) and I don't want to have to do it all over again. I have tried everything from new drivers to bios settings, etc. The only think I haven't done was try and underclock my system (have no I idea how)...there is no bios setting to slow down below 2.8 Ghz I would take the slight cut in performance to actually be able to play a freaken game! If anyone has any more useful suggestions please share!

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Andy Elliott Jan 08, 2003, 12:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Just my opinion ... but has anyone tried the Catalyst 3.0 drivers together with DX9?

Andy Elliott Jan 08, 2003, 12:22pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Also if anyone is having a problem where your machine resets - I suggest it's a power thing. The radeon card takes a floppy drive power cable and therefore needs a more powerful PSU (I'd say at least 300w).

Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 12:30pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I have a 350W PSU in my computer. Would it help any if you powered the card with another power supply...say a 200W or so from an older system? Thenn, it would have its own...hmmm...if it worked then, it would prove to be a power issue...at least with how the board handles it. Just trying to brainstorm. Still willing to listen to any suggestions...I have a lot of free time right now and would like to be able to play some games on my system!

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Hiren Shah Jan 08, 2003, 12:58pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
When someone said that when the graphics resets were they reponding to my problem, because i have catalyst 3.0 drivers and dx 9 and a 550W PSU and I still have my graphics resetting!

Andy Elliott Jan 08, 2003, 01:03pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Hiren - what speed is your AGP slot set at?

Andy Elliott Jan 08, 2003, 01:05pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Adam - switch off your pc, disconnect the power from the radeon but leave the card in and switch it on. what happens?

Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 01:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Andy- I did what you told me and two red lines (with text) appeared on my screen along with constant beeping from system. The first line said that the power cable was not connected to the Radeon 9700 Pro and the second told me to look in some manual to fix the problem. What was this suppose to check?

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Andy Elliott Jan 08, 2003, 01:22pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
ad - just checking the power system's ok to the card. what speed is yr agp slot set @?

Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 02:16pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Andy- AGP Speed? Where do I find this out. This is what my bios says under AGP.

AGP Aperture Size 128M
AGP Driving Control Auto
AGP Driving Value DA
Fast Write Disabled
Master 1 WS Write Disabled
Master 1 WS Read Disabled
DBI Output for AGP trans Disabled

Also, What is Frequency 1 MHz Stepping and Dram Clock? They are both set at 133Mhz. How would I slow down my system. I would rather take the reduced speed of a 2.1Ghz, etc, for being able to play and use my computer.

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 02:33pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Still havent found a game that doesn't freeze after five minutes.

Ones that I have tried:

Hitman 2
X-Plane
WinQuake (Cmon...this should work)
Links 2003
BattleField 1942

Other Programs:

Avid Xpress DV
Screensaver (another cmon!)
Adobe After Effects


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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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RiHa Jan 08, 2003, 02:51pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
pls read this thread from the beginning

it is a voltage problem on your 9700

Adam Martin Jan 08, 2003, 03:00pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I upped the voltage of the AGP once and it became unstable (what should my AGP, DRAM, and Vcore voltages be at). I have read the entire thread. Yes, for many it seems like it may be a voltage problem, but there seem to be a lot (many many many) of exceptions also. So...what should my course of action be? I have a 350W PSU...should I up it...probably not since there are people with 300W that are having no problem and people with 450W - 600W that are having the same problem (so I am not going to go buy an expensive power unit and rewire the whole thing for something that has no real proof of working). I have read the whole way through and still can't come to a conclusion with exactly how to fix this problem. If it is a voltage problem then maybe lowering my processor speed would work...but I do not know how to do that. So...since you have also read everything and seem to know the answer, could you be as polite to help me out. Thanks.

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Intel P4 2.8 Ghz 2x 512mb ram (OCSystem Overclocked PC3200)
Soyo Dragon Lite P4X400
Radeon 9700 Pro 128
120GB Hard Drive
CD-RW and DVD drives
Creative SB Live w/ 6 speaker system
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