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1 Apr 21, 2003, 12:07am EDT Report Abuse
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Tom De Blieck Apr 21, 2003, 03:43am EDT Report Abuse
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Brian;

Bios version of GA-7VAXP Ultra: F4
Optimized (custom, but lan disabled) settings in bios for fasted working pc
Graphic card not part of motherboard
Drivers for 9700 Pro are same then 9500 Pro.

Perhaps try removing previous drivers...

Hope that works...

Joe Smolinski Apr 21, 2003, 10:38pm EDT Report Abuse
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Thanks for responding Matt. My only problem with removing the HS and fan is that I don't want to void a warranty. This exact card worked fine in my lower level pc(1.4 Tbird, 512 SDR, ECS mobo), and my airflow was nowhere near what I have now. Maybe because other things are running faster, the card also is(?). I had already thought about buying a better HS and fan for it cause I have a built by card and the stock one is not too good. I once looked at it to try and remove it and got scared(that is $350 worth of card, or was). Maybe I will do it anyway. I don't really plan on oc'ing anything, I just want it to work.

1 Apr 22, 2003, 10:12am EDT Report Abuse
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If you are at all worried about doing it then dont....that shim is seriously tuff to get off.....the better plan for you may be to just use arctic silver adheasive which is still conductive but its quite permanent. You just have to make sure you have enough on there to fill the gap.
If the card worked fine with your other system though then I doubt thats the problem. Now you should look at the differences between the 2 systems.
operating systems (updated?)
ram?
psu?

Thomas F Apr 23, 2003, 10:22am EDT Report Abuse
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Hi guys,
I'm running:
1.5 Gig 2700 Crucial
80 GB WD HD
Radeon 9700
Athlon 2400
ASUS A7N8X

I'm having game lock up and crash problems (the music will continue to play in a game, but the monitor stops recieving a signal from the video card.) As such, I've attempted to shut off Fast Writes, AGP 8X support, and jack the voltage. Still having problems though... any suggestions?

~Thom

1 Apr 23, 2003, 10:33am EDT Report Abuse
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I had that problem a year ago with my geforce 4 ti4600 and the problem turned out to be a bad stick of ram.....ocsystem (geil) pc3200.
I think they also have a eax patch which also relieved some of the problems. If you are running a creative sound card you might also consider using a usb keyboard instead of a ps2. I found that all conflicts with audigy cards dissapear when using a usb device for motion in games......dont know why though?

SurrealBeingX <> Apr 23, 2003, 10:57am EDT Report Abuse
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I just wanted to say that I found it very interesting that after I posted the link to a site for a Radeon 9700 Pro Retail for $266,I went back to the site about 5 days later, and they were sold out...so from now on...when I find a great deal, I'm truly sad to say I must keep it to myself! lol

but its ok.. I found another one somewhere else....(just go to pricewatch.com,its a great search engine for parts on many internet sites)

Microc Amers Apr 23, 2003, 11:16am EDT Report Abuse
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I have EXACTLY the same spec as you!!! And I have EXACTLY the same problem!!! My pc from Mesh!

1 Apr 23, 2003, 03:34pm EDT Report Abuse
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I have the same setup with the exception of the ram and the processor.......have you both tried running lower ram timings? I mean less aggressive? Cas 2 should be fine but you might experience those symptoms if you are running tras-2 and trp-2. Try changing them to 3 and if that doesnt work then you might try changing the cpu interface setting from aggressive to optimal. I am of course assuming that you are running your ddr in dual ddr mode (slot 1 and slot 3).
If that doesnt solve it then check your monitor settings in the ati control panel and be sure that you are not forcing a refresh rate that your monitor doesnt support. Disable v-sync could help too since then your card doesnt wait for a synch signal return from your monitor. Im using DVI so I cant say that I have really done too much with this board in the vga arena.

Thomas F Apr 23, 2003, 08:14pm EDT Report Abuse
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It looks like the Crucial 2700 512 sticks wreak havoc with the ASUS A7N8X boards, and possibly others as well. This has ultimately screwed me, as the date for refund/exchange has now past me.

1 Apr 23, 2003, 10:04pm EDT Report Abuse
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now I see.....you were trying to run 3 512 sticks! Try running just 2 of the 512 sticks at 100percent of the front side bus.....unless you are running a 266fsb xp2400 then you may wanna do the copper wire trick and crank that fsb up to 333. The nforce 2 boards are notorious for instabilities with a 266 chip And especially when combined with a 333 ddr. Dont forget to lower the multiplyer to compensate for the raised fsb or you will need some nice cooling. Synching the fsb to the ddr should cure any instabilities you have.
Inncodentally after reading your last post I tried my wifes Crucial micron 2x256mb sticks and they worked great in dual ddr mode but that doesnt mean much since I didnt have the 3rd stick throwing everything off.

Kuma Hinata Apr 24, 2003, 09:38am EDT Report Abuse
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Hi Matt,

Been reading thru this thread which took quite awhile :) Some real good posts.

I'd like to ask you opinion about the 9700 pro. After reading everything is sounds as if the major problems are Power Supply not supplying enough juice, GPU running too hot and some bad cards out there (bad as in defective). Is this how you feel as well?

I'm trying to get a handle on all of this because I bought an ATI AIW 9700 pro. Here are my system spec's as is:

Epox 8kha+
XP1700+
512 PC2100 Crucial Micron ram
120 gig WD HD
SB Live 5.1
Yamaha CDRW
Inwin Q500 Tower Case
300 watt PS (not sure of brand name if any)

From reading all the posts I expect to have problems right off the bat with my power supply not feeding enough juice for my 9700 to run. Would you agree?

An Epox 8kha+ will allow me to change voltage to my cpu and ram but not my agp slot. I check my bios health settings and my agp slot is at 1.52v and only goes up to 4x I believe. I don't think it has an 8x agp.

I'm a bit worried my mobo won't be able run this card. I don't have the option to increase voltage to my agp slot.

How would you approach this situation? Would appreciate any advice you'd card to send my way :)

Asus A7N8X Dlx Rev. 1.06 (1004 Uber|SATA bios)
XP1700+ JUIHB DLT3C 0310WPMW with SLK-800U (2341mhz=11.5x203@1.6v)
512mb Corsair XMS3500CPT
ATI AIW 9700 pro (Cat 3.4 drivers - Incredible card!)
120gig WD 8mb Cache HD|Yamaha CDRW
SoundStorm Onboard Aud
1 Apr 24, 2003, 10:08am EDT Report Abuse
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I would say yeah, the psu is definately a good place to start.....I saw that you have a 300 watt psu of unknown branding. You might read the entire description on the side of it because I have seen alot of 300 watt psu's that say 300 watt max but the average is only 190watts.
As for my opinion of the card itself? I love it....its the most overclockable card that I have ever owned. I own personally 3 now and each of them is volt moded and dimm modded...with lots of cooling I might add. I have never experienced any instability related to the card itself but then again I make sure to have ample power, round clean cabling for airflow, and lots of case fans if not H2O or pelts. Then again my main show system consists of 4 psu's linked and the radeon has a swiftech mcw50-T with peltier and a 120mm fan to cool the ram sinks.
I think that it is the majority's problem but then you do have some boards which are going to be incompatible.
I had a ti4600 in combo with an enermax 550 watt psu and a gigabyte ga-7vrxp. It wouldnt work for the life of me. Then I found out there was a revision to the board which involved some new regulator near the agp slot.
So I think there may be other issues with various people here too.

Kuma Hinata Apr 24, 2003, 10:10am EDT Report Abuse
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I should mention that I'm already looking at new power supplies. I was planning on getting an Enermax. There are a couple 431 watt, a 460 watt and the 550. I haven't decided yet on which one to get. 550 watts would be nice but just not sure if I want to spend that much on a power supply right now.

Also if it turns out I need to upgrade my mobo I'm considering the 8rda+, xp2400 with 512mb corsair 3200 ram.

Asus A7N8X Dlx Rev. 1.06 (1004 Uber|SATA bios)
XP1700+ JUIHB DLT3C 0310WPMW with SLK-800U (2341mhz=11.5x203@1.6v)
512mb Corsair XMS3500CPT
ATI AIW 9700 pro (Cat 3.4 drivers - Incredible card!)
120gig WD 8mb Cache HD|Yamaha CDRW
SoundStorm Onboard Aud
Kuma Hinata Apr 24, 2003, 10:18am EDT Report Abuse
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Thanks Matt for the reply,

I commented on the heat issue because I see so many posts where people are just absolutely convinced that its all a driver issue. And they are really beating there heads against a wall trying to resolve it rather than look at heat as a possible problem.

I'm hoping to upgrade the cooling on my 9700 pro with maybe a Thermaltake Blue Orb? or Crystal Orb? with some BGA ramsinks? Short of going with water cooling does this sound like it would be effective or would you suggest some other alternative?


Asus A7N8X Dlx Rev. 1.06 (1004 Uber|SATA bios)
XP1700+ JUIHB DLT3C 0310WPMW with SLK-800U (2341mhz=11.5x203@1.6v)
512mb Corsair XMS3500CPT
ATI AIW 9700 pro (Cat 3.4 drivers - Incredible card!)
120gig WD 8mb Cache HD|Yamaha CDRW
SoundStorm Onboard Aud
1 Apr 24, 2003, 10:20am EDT Report Abuse
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I would recommend the enermax EG465P-VE . It has come down in price drastically and its not too overkill. Enermax claims to have increased stability to allo for cleaner power to high end video cards. If you can get a current release they come with the atx, aux, and p4 cables presleeved and steel braided for sheilding.

Pricewatch.com has them for as low as $78 shipped

1 Apr 24, 2003, 10:27am EDT Report Abuse
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one of mine uses a crystal orb but then I have 2 80mm fans on the window along side of it and it clocks stable for games and benches at 410core/371mem. It is volt moded but I dont think you need to for those frequencies. Whatever you do make sure you at least use arctic silver adheasive to fill the gap between the chip and the hsf.....you see what I mean once you take the old setup off.

Kuma Hinata Apr 24, 2003, 10:41am EDT Report Abuse
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Yes my main objective is just to get my system stable before I start overclocking anything. Even then I'd keep it to the more conservative side. No water cooling or anything. But I would like to add effective cooling. Our house doesn't have central air and in the summertime my pc is going to be in a very warm room so cooling will be critical for me. Its why I'm so intent on keeping my 9700 cool.

I read how you added a cold plate? and cut it to size and put on a crystal orb? does this cold plate fill in that gap where the shim plate fits above the chip? I'm wondering if I should just use artic silver (permanent) or try doing what you did and replace that stock heatsink in favor of something better? Do you prefer the crystal orb over the blue orb because the blue orb is anodized alum.?

Asus A7N8X Dlx Rev. 1.06 (1004 Uber|SATA bios)
XP1700+ JUIHB DLT3C 0310WPMW with SLK-800U (2341mhz=11.5x203@1.6v)
512mb Corsair XMS3500CPT
ATI AIW 9700 pro (Cat 3.4 drivers - Incredible card!)
120gig WD 8mb Cache HD|Yamaha CDRW
SoundStorm Onboard Aud
1 Apr 24, 2003, 02:42pm EDT Report Abuse
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A copper or silver cold plate will work best then you can use the arctic silver compound which is temporary instead of gooping on the adheasive. Either way it is conductive though so be carefull not to put too much on there or when you sandwich everything together you will end up with overflow. The cold plate will have to be trimmed to size so that it fits just inside of the shim but not to small or it will be hard to balance while putting everything together. You will also have to get some longer screws and maybe some thumb nuts because of the extra height that the cold plate raises the fan. To avoid a dialectric delema you might want to go with a copper plate and a copper vantec fan...this way you have like materials and dont have to worry about transference between dissimilar metals so much. The copper plate will add to the mass over the chip which will also add to the cooling effect. another little thing that I did on one of my systems to cool the ram since they dont make anything more then heatsinks for it is to remove the floppy and mount a chrome filter where the face of the floppy used to be, then I added a 120mm fan at the back of the floppy cage to suck from the front and cool the chips. It works well, looks great, and only cost about $30 in parts to do everything here.
I play ut2k3 instagib for 8 hours at a time overclocked in a house where the ambient temp is about 74F so I too value cooling over noise. Assuming you play your games with the sound cranked I doubt youll ever hear any fans anyway.

oscar siby Apr 25, 2003, 06:14am EDT Report Abuse
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I need some help. My computer locksup in games and when watching movies. Ive been trying the alot of stuff mentioned here on the board nothing helped sofar. one thing thought where do up my dram voltage cant find it in the bios. My comp is:
Intel p4 2.4ghz
Msi 648max (sis 648 chipset)
Sapphire radeon 9700pro
512 orginal DDR ram
SB live 1024
Codegen 300W


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