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1 Jun 14, 2003, 12:18pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
got a new psu brand to add to the jumk list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QMAX-

my sons just died while playing a game.....nforce 1 board too...lol, with nothing special in the system to draw....the power button on the back wont even go into the off position anymore.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 14, 2003, 05:15pm EDT Report Abuse
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MATT What would u recommend as a PSU? Ive Heard that the ANTEC True Power 480 Works Excellent, tomshardware said it produced its true Marking of 484 Watts(little bit more than what ANTEC said on Packaging lol)

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jun 14, 2003, 05:22pm EDT Report Abuse
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I never was a fan of antec till now, I just switched my vantec stealth 520 for a antec true control 550. That should be great for you. I also highly reccomend enermax....very stable power supplies!!

a Jun 15, 2003, 10:29am EDT Report Abuse
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I was just wondering if anyone has found ANY solution to the problems people are having because any day now I'll be recieving my ATI Radeon 9700 Pro card and if I have any problems I'd love to know how to fix them ASAP. Thanks





Computer thats on its way to my home
SY-KT400 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) mb
AMD Athlon XP 2700+
ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro
512 PC2700 DDR Ram
WD 80gb Special Edition HDD
Win XP Pro

Killer'$ machine Jun 15, 2003, 07:12pm EDT Report Abuse
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I think Ati-cards SuuUCK ----a lot of power :) , beyond that...,
the graphics produced by this card are <<<GREATest>>>,the best!!

Unreal2003 with highest-settings, an edited .ini-file(UseNPatches=true/
TesselationFactor=3.0), settings for vid-card at full (6XAA & 16XAF) and resolution at 1600x1200-32bit, damn, it looks almost unREAL 8), as if the characters could step out the monitor, and blast u of your seat

after a few times doing this, the performance went down, and now it just won't run at all, in certain high-detailed levels. Busted something? a little...?

I recently bought these new parts:
P4-2,6Ghz800fsb,Asus P4C800 deluxe,256corsairDDR400mhz(LL)x2,sapphireAti-Radeon9700pro,Audigy2 stuffed it all together in a new case + 2xtrafans using a 300wattPSU

Updated(+not-updated),flashed,exchanged parts(inc 4 dif. recent motherboards and other mem), everything I could think off, and read about, all sorts of bios settings nothing worx
I still can use the system tough and it runs fine as long as I won't taunt it with high settings. can even play games online np, as long as the server is not too crowded!
I've read a lot on this topic,caus i'm no expert on this ye know, every time i'm finished looking around, I'm allmost completely convinced that the new ATI-cards are great(er) power-consumers..., even read about people hooking their vid-card onto a second PSU.
So, now I'm going to buy a 550wattPSU,soon. will let u know if this worked.

grtz

btw. i have the same lock-up,reboot problems just, like everyone else seems to have.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 16, 2003, 01:06am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
suggestion would to get a better Heatsink and fan for the card and Ram Sinks for the ram, ATI Radeon/AIW cards dont have Ram sinks, that may be another problem besides PSU,oh and another suggestion
Buy the Hercules Version of the ATI cards. They have better stuff on them, and they stay cooler. Too bad GAINWARD Doesnt Make ATI Golden Sample 9700 and above video cards. They do for the NVidia TI 4200 128 8X Chip. Golden sample Cards have the best made chips, Copper Ram Sinks, Copper Coolers with High RPMs and great Airflow.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 16, 2003, 01:10am EDT Report Abuse
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Oh and too bad Hercules Doesnt make the AIW series cards, same goes with GAINWARD

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jun 16, 2003, 01:26am EDT Report Abuse
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check this out,

After a full weekend of testing the new 9800pro 256ddr2 board and oc'ing the heck out of it then comparing it to my oc'ed 9700pros.....I noticed a few changes they made as improvements.

1- the new heatsink and fan assembly actually drops down with a square that perfectly connects to the die and does not loose contact from the shim.

2- They used a new thermal compound which seems almost like arctic silver but a little bit thicker.

3- The heatsink and fan are held to the board by gold metal prongs that go through the board the same way as the plastic ones, but they are really hard to get out....so you dont have to worry about looking into your case one day to see your hsf hanging off your card...lol (someone posted that earlier).

4- The voltage regulation is perfect. No fluctuations what so ever while under load in games or benchmarks. The 9700pro's voltage bounces all over the place whenever you open a 3d application.

5- they placed aluminum heatsinks on the ram, sometimes aluminum is better then copper because of its ability to release heat quicker then copper. Copper ram sinks will absorb heat faster but unless you have some intense fans cooling them then you can actually defeat the purpose of heatsinks all together by using copper.

performance is flawless in every application from gaming to benching, I have never had a single crash that wasnt brought on by excessive overclocking.....whereas the 9700pros voltage fluctuations have a tendency to make things a bit less stable under intense loads.

What Im getting at is that the 9700pro was really the first of its kind...I havent tested the standard 9800pro however I would assume that they applied the same lessons learned to it as well.
This is where you see ATI learning from their mistakes....even if they wont admit it! Amazing how obvious it is though.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 16, 2003, 02:17am EDT Report Abuse
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So do u recommend me buy the 9800 Pro 256 or go for the Hercules Version? Also Do u know if ATI is going to make an AIW 9800 Pro with 256 DDR?

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Killer'$ machine Jun 16, 2003, 09:15am EDT Report Abuse
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quote -The 9700pro's voltage bounces all over the place whenever you open a 3d application.

quote -performance is flawless in every application from gaming to benching, I have never had a single crash that wasnt brought on by excessive overclocking.....whereas the 9700pros voltage fluctuations have a tendency to make things a bit less stable under intense loads.


Thanx, Matt McFaul, these are some re-ensuring remarks you put there. Makes me feel more convinced, my problems will be solved by buying a 550w PSU for my system. Brandon, i'm thinking very hard to get watercooling for my cpu and gpu, more reading to be done on that first. I do want to be careful :) and save some money 1st.

pf,L:)L,stumbled accros this enlightning page while typing this reply, try to read the first part, ...at least :
http://www.aeiveos.com/~bradbury/MatrioshkaBrains/MatrioshkaBrains.html

hm, grtz

1 Jun 16, 2003, 09:55am EDT Report Abuse
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I would recommend any of the 9800pro's. They all are very overclockable even without the voltage mod. The problem with the 256 version is that the capacitors for the memory ic's dont stick through the board anymore and trying to find the points for measurement of vddq and vddr voltages have been a total failure for me. The standard 9800pro is easier to mode.

1 Jun 16, 2003, 09:55am EDT Report Abuse
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mod :-) I meant....its early,

Lt Gringo Jun 16, 2003, 02:16pm EDT Report Abuse
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Killer'$ machine Jun 17, 2003, 02:47pm EDT Report Abuse
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nah..,bought a new 550W PSU, ....that didn't d it. Swapped videocard still the same problem,so.?. checking memory, 1 dimm seems ok, inserting both dimms results in an immediate crash when I start up my hardwarekilling(?) test. Taking out the 'bad' dimm lets me watch Unreals-spectator mode in the above mentioned settings for a while but eventually also crashes... Do both memory-modules suck? 2 of the same type CorsairXMS3200-256mb-400mhz-LowLatency. i think of going back to the store where i bought them swap them for some other, they are supposed to be new! I can't believe I k?lled both of them by..., just giving them something to do.

grtz

1 Jun 17, 2003, 03:32pm EDT Report Abuse
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some boards have known compatibility problems with corsair modules....check for bios updates that relate directly to this.
For example, the a7n8x had a specific bios just for corsair ram....this is assuming you are aware of the optimal ram settings for those sticks. You tried 2.7v on the vdimm in the bios? Then 6-2-2-2 for timings?

Killer'$ machine Jun 19, 2003, 03:33am EDT Report Abuse
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Well..., I did the memory-settings you recommended, already put the timings lowest, only not the voltage..,so I set this to 2.75 (can be set on 2.55,2.65,2.75or2.85) and tried the test...
That did it...,for a while:(. While running 'the test' the system crashed, and would not boot into windows anymore, eventually BIOS crashed. After flashing AGAIN, and considering to reinstall XP(didn't), now the system seems to run ok..., again. ?(until i test it, that is)
--:)(later on I found, that settings above 2.8 scraps your warranty.):)--

-I think that this test of mine can't be the cause of what's happening here. it's really heavy on the system, yes, but however it should be able to run it !?!...,right? could it be a bug.., well.., then it's not one related to this game, because other games at high-sets act the same. Maybe something EAX...,no soundcard..-same result.

I searched for other BIOS or maybe something else related, but no clear warnings of incompatibility or so..,it should be compatible. eventually i found bios-file 1007-008,.......th!nk!ng.........flashed it,but no improvement.
(i really don't like flashing...)

hm, maybe i should take my cpu back to the store and have them measure it through..,although it runs fine as it does, its one of the only components i haven't replaced
-when I put in an old Gforce3ti500-64mb, and put the setting highest for this card(no Npatches on this one), the test ran,horribly though; I put in 16 characters instead of the normal 6-8. One game-round allmost finished, and then again,it crashed. Allmost thought I had it there, the test ran much longer than before.....put in my new Ati, Npatches back on, .....immediate levelcrash again, on load up-as the game appears on screen. It's ehm, eeehm,........(4th,week by now).....?

thanks for your reply,
grtz

Andy Parker Jun 19, 2003, 05:25am EDT Report Abuse
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Don't bother with any video card that has 256MB of RAM - there's nothing around at the moment that makes use of 128MB, so you're paying for stuff that ain't gonna be used for the forseable future.

Crucial 9700 Pro - runs perfectly on the Gigabyte GA-8IRXP (using 2x256MB Crucial/OEM PC2100 RAM, Chieftec 360PSU) and the GA-8IG1000 Pro (using 2x256MB OCZ PC3200 RAM, Chieftec 420W PSU). With a P4 2.8 (overclocked to 3.1), performance - 15496 in 3DMark2001SE and 5086 in 3DMark2003 Pro. Only issue - the demo in 3DMark2001SE won't run, and that's it.

If you want a stable board - get the 8IG1000 Pro.



Andy

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!!!!"
1 Jun 19, 2003, 09:56am EDT Report Abuse
>> 256 cards....
actually that isnt entirely true, if you play alot of games on full detail and max aa then yes a 256 will make a difference. I gained 1,000 points over my highest 9700pro score in 3dmark01and experienced an even larger difference in 3dmark03 since the scenes in 03 do make use of the extra ram. The testers that were testing and reviewing these cards dont go through a very good setup process....since you can see most of the scores are always really low. Half life 2 and doom3 will definately make use of all the on board memory as will most of the games coming out from now on. The only thing that everyone seems to agree on is that if you already have a 128mb version of the same card then its probably not worth it to upgrade to 256 for such a small gain. I would hold out thought since Crucial has released their ddr3 to ati....the 990 should be right around the corner.

Killer'$ machine Jun 19, 2003, 04:02pm EDT Report Abuse
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I've tried all sorts of biossetting in all the biosses i could find but nothing seems to work right.(100..,2,4,6 and 7-008)

P4-2,6Ghz800fsb,Asus P4C800 deluxe,256corsairDDR400mhz(LL)x2,sapphireAti-Radeon9700pro,Audigy2

I think that my pc should be able to coop with these settings, heavily though, but it should work. Or not?

-Unreal2003 with highest-settings, an edited .ini-file(UseNPatches=true/
TesselationFactor=3.0), settings for vid-card at full (6XAA & 16XAF) and resolution at 1600x1200-32bit (try at your own risk)

Is something wrong or is my system supposed to crash on these type of settings,...I don't think so. btw,the crashes and hangups are not test-related, they just randomly appear.this test points out to me there is something wrong. After adjusting my pc, once again..,I use this test to check my pc, if it crashes....i did not succeed on fixing my system.

I've seen the test run at these settings, perfectly, (no pixels):)
plz, let me know what you think about these settings..are they ludicrously insane, and am i killing my pc or do you agree there is something wrong and it's supposed to run.

grtz

1 Jun 19, 2003, 07:20pm EDT Report Abuse
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what slot is your audigy 2 plugged into. Check with asus to see what pci slots share resources with the agp. Also, not only do you need a stable psu but you should note that having the 9700pro power supplied directly from the floppy plug with other high draw devices on the chain before it will result in a better chance of experiencing voltage drop. You dont want to go on one psu line to a cdrw, dvdr, hdd, and then radeon. Try to isolate it as much as possible or use the included adapter to place it at the beginning of the chain. Other devices are less likely to be affected by the voltage drop. Let me know how that goes :-)


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