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Harris Walktin Jun 19, 2003, 07:40pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
ever think off opening a new post?

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
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1 Jun 19, 2003, 08:24pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
sure, leak me some info on the 3400+ and maybe a test chip to toss under my prommie for a massive oc and Ill open a new thread...lol :-)
I envy your job!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 20, 2003, 04:30am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Everyone face it, if cant get 9700 Pro working, y bother getting it in first place, Try the 9800 Pro on for size, Its extremely stable and faster. Oh and another thing about 256 Ramon 9800 Pro, can be used for Future USE! Trade in 9700 Pro, oh and another thing Buy the Vid Cards from ATI directly, not thru a Retail store. Actually that Goes for Any Video Card You Buy.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 20, 2003, 04:32am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
*Radeon

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 20, 2003, 04:35am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Harris y dont u open another Forum???

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jun 20, 2003, 09:56am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
nah, you are setting records with this one....trade in value I think is is a mere $75.....granted if you cant get yours working then it might be worth it but......I havent had any probs at all with 9700pros...and I have delt with more then 10 since december.....so theres no saying how the 9800pro will react in your systems. I do see awsome changes but....I still havent had probs and my 9700pro oc score came out to 20,202 which is hardly worth spending the $500 on the 9800-256 for 21,099. of course I havent modded the vdimm on the 9800 yet......anyway you get what I mean.

Harris Walktin Jun 20, 2003, 11:52am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
you mean post.............and i did!

- Harris W. -AMD Employee
AMD cannot be held responsible for any damage done to your PC by my advice. My advice is valid.
Killer'$ machine Jun 20, 2003, 05:53pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Well..,I tested the system without soundcard an had the same result. Also hooking the vidcard directly to the psu didn't do it. the only thing I'm starting to note is that i'm really flashing my bois a lot, after crashing a few times the bios gets corrupted. also adjusting the bios with lower-settings ,while i'm sure they are correct, sometimes causes such a crash, i need to reflash. finding that after flashing, the changes I made are still there(?), and following that...,windows comes up and works, sort of.
On 'the test' the machine will crash immediately.
Last night i left my system on, downloading...,when I woke up, immediately went to my machine to check. I found the desktop reduced to an 8-bit screen and a windows-message saying ''it had found an error and repared it'',restart needed.(downloads still running(?) After restarting, the whole flashy-thingy happened all over again

grtz
-If u use some background-lighting.., you can...:)

1 Jun 20, 2003, 09:05pm EDT Report Abuse
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wow, thats definately asus for ya.....I had one that I flashed and it died after about 2 days.....I bought a new bios chip from bios world and that didnt work so the board joined many others on the shelf. Then I ordered a open boxed one from Newegg for a steal and its been great. The other day I got the inkling to attempt a hot swap to reflash the old asus chip and it said the chip was bad....then tried the biosworld chip and that one too was bad....so then I grabed an old nforce 1 bios chip and gave it a go....it worked and is now my new testbed for tweaking my buddies 1900+ in the garage. Sure would be nice if asus could get their bios right!

Killer'$ machine Jun 22, 2003, 11:07am EDT Report Abuse
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Ok.......,that's it! I give up. Thanks very much on your assistance Matt, but i'm taking my entire pc back to the store. I still have warranties on everything, so that's no problem...I guess. I allready went back 4 times to swap motherboards, 2 times for swapping mem. ... :) I wonder how they gonna react.
-Not all the same motherboard tough, started out with :
msi 865PE neo-LS --------> asus P4S8X-X ---------> asus P4c800DL.
shortcuts on the first; usb+mouse+keyb.grill on back contacted with board on empty port-slot and a difficult bios-flash-procedure. second board ;difficult bios and did nothing anymore after flashing once.

Good thing this board has a 'flexible' bios, or is it....I've installed video/sound cards before, changed a cd-rom, swapped hard-drives,etc..there aren't any plugs on a pc that you can plug-in wrong,xcept4t'Leds,so...I'm no expert but,normally, an average 250pcs-puzzle is more difficult then building a pc,right? you have some pieces that are supposingly compatible and just fit them together,right...?

I copied all your related messages to my desktop. So the hardware-guy at the shop has some reference to whatever my problem is. Wil let you know if this worked out.
grtz

1 Jun 22, 2003, 11:43am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
your not updating? U must have a pirated copy then...we are all microsofts little beta testers....the updates that are in service pack 1 include opengl, processor support, and I do remember seeing other agp related updates back when you could do them individually. That could be a problem since I was having problems when xp first came out with a ti4600 not playing games. Actually now that I think about it I have that same problem with a 8500 before the updates.
Beyond sp1 I think their are another 22mb worth of updates.

Killer'$ machine Jun 23, 2003, 08:15am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
To test I tried it both ways,Updated and without...i have a copied version,yes, at first i had thoughts that this might be a problem. But after a while i'm convinced, that it's not. The system does run, as long as i don't let it multitask heavy applications too much, or play games at high-detail. windows works fine as it does, can get updates, no prob. changed serial and downloaded servicepack1, normally i just do without sp1, but as it was an optional cause...now I run windows fully updated, no need for reinstalling, since i discovered that after crashing, I just have to do a happy bios-flash. Well I can't be happy about that, so.....

tnx,grtz

~~ B I :( S

1 Jun 23, 2003, 10:19am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
lol, ididnt mean that whole thing on updateing. they changed the thread layout so I thought the last post was really the last post on the first page....hehe. God I hate change!

1 Jun 23, 2003, 10:22am EDT Report Abuse
>> bios flashing
flashing the bios really isnt that bad....its just one of those things thats intimodating untill youve done it...after that youll be doing hot swpa to rescue old boards and making a field day out of it:-)

a Jun 24, 2003, 10:02pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Just so everyone knows the ATI AIW Radeon 9700 Pro graphics card WORKS FULLY with the SY-KT400 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition)[VIA KT400 Chipset].

Ed R Jun 25, 2003, 04:19pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Strange, the VIA KT400 chipset doesn't dos**t for me.

I just bought this ATI Radeon 9700 pro piece of crap and I STILL can't get the latest 3.5 CATALIST drivers to install without causing "delayed write failed" errors.

I'm using an MSI KT4V[kt400], AMD 1600+, Dx9.0a, CATALIST 3.5 drivers + control panel, XP Pro - updated fully, and still the ATI card won't work woths**t.

1 Jun 25, 2003, 09:06pm EDT Report Abuse
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dang, 35 pages...someone should copy and paste this thread and send it to ati....lol!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 30, 2003, 08:30pm EDT Report Abuse
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POSSIBILITY a FIX for the Radeon 9700 Pro, ok heres the Deal, I have my system up and running finally with the 9700 pro under 8X mode, ok my BIOS is setup to 8X, i had SMARTGART setup to 8X, well card would lockup under games. So i figgured to change SMART GART to 4X, well that Helped no more lockups, but i wanted to run card at full speed, so i removed the SMARTGART utility that came with the Catalyst Drivers, well BOOM that certainly helped now my system is in 8X with everything enabled and this Card REALLY Kicks some Major ASS. But Before u Remove the SMARTGART, Create a Restore Point b4 u do this so if u encounter problems without the SMARTGART u can restore.
But Come Again, This was with Omega Catalyst 3.4 Driver set, I wonder if this will do same thing under the Drivers that ATI provides.(Omega Drivers are not Built from Ground Up,They are Optimized ATI Catalyst Drivers and have 2 options of Install, Hacked or Normal, Normal= Stock ATI, Hacked= Optimized and with Additional GOodies :))
My System is
ASUS P4S8X-BIOS=BETA 1005.012
Intel Pentium 4 2.4b GHZ(533 FSB)
512 MB Kingston 333 MHZ DDR
400 WATT PSU
ATI RADEON 9700 PRO 128 w/ Omega Drivers (Based off of Catalyst 3.4)
Sound Blaster PCI 512
Windows XP Pro (Corporate Edition-Build 2600)

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jun 30, 2003, 09:08pm EDT Report Abuse
>> kt4vl
that board is known to have major problems anyway...the delated write failure has nothing to do with the 9700pro. I have built systems using 2 of those boards thinking that the second time might be different...nope, they blow big monkies! Flashed over and over and no change...ussually happens when transfering files via network or writing extensively to an ata133 drive. I hosted a lan party for my sons birthday this weekend and he has one in his machine...however I let him borrow one of my oc'ed 9700pro that I have never had problems with and my vantec stealth 520psu thinking Ide head off any possible problems...the dang thing restarted a billion times throughout the day. At the same time I had 3 other machines running oc'ed 9700pros and one machine running a 9800pro 256.....for 11 hours straight marathon gameplay without a single crash. Its the MSI!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jun 30, 2003, 11:37pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
matt, i havent had any other problems besides the AGP 8X, until now that is, finally got all bugs out of system. This Board is a Great one tho, for an oldie that is.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write

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