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1 Jul 03, 2003, 09:44pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
very nice.....much better...hehe :-)

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Carlos Jul 06, 2003, 10:43am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
What are you running to be getting 21000 in 3D Mark2001SE ?????

Foozeball Jul 06, 2003, 12:50pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
36 pages!! And I have read every post. Now to the point.
I was hoping for some expert advice about which ATI video card to uprade to. I have the following hardware. P4 1.7Ghz, Intel Monterrey w/ Intel A 850 chipset motherboard(4X AGP), 768Mb RDRAM PC800, ATI Radeon 7200 VE video card, 40 Gb 100ATA WD HD, Sound Blaster Live Value, CDRW.
Would it be worthwhile to go to a 8X card? With this 2 year old Gateway should I go to the 9500 to 9600 range?.
I ordered a new computer with a 9700pro, 2.6 Ghz P4, 40 Ghz ATA 133 HD, SB sound card, CD reader, on an ABIT motherboard and guess what? Infinite loop! I had it for a total of 4 days in 2 1/2 months before Xtech in Ohio gave up on it and sent my money back. If I can improve my video card I will be satisfied with this setup for a while. I don't relly want to invest the money a 9700 or 9800 would cost for this computer.

1 Jul 06, 2003, 01:08pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
carlos....there is a link to my system photos about 3 threads above.


1 Jul 06, 2003, 01:14pm EDT Report Abuse
consider the 9600 pro since it has been rebuilt the same way the 9800 has....this meaning that if you study the 2 cards(9800 and 9600) side by side with the 9500 and 9700 then you see where ati is admitting their mistakes.
Its funny to see some changes that directly relate to complaints on this thread. For example.....someone further back had complained about artifacts and then when he looked in his case he saw the heatsink and fan hanging from the card. Ati has tackled that one with new metal pins that hold the new heatsink on.
Next, we have the new heatsink, attatched with a better thermal paste and redesigned with a stepped down center that actually coontacts the core even with the shim in place!. They also added heatsinks to vreg chips for the vcore. Amazing how this seems to directly attack alot of the problems in these forums.

1 Jul 06, 2003, 01:26pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Carlos,
sorry bout that it didnt realize that I hadnt put a system discription with my pics yet....
early morning bench
precooled to -47c on cpu, 19c on gpu, 1c on NB
xp2800+@13.5x208-2,808mhz@2.05v-phase exchange cooled
8rga (no plus) vdd@1.8, vdim@2.9-peltier and water cooled
radeon 9800pro256@510/405@1.77v-peltier and water cooled
1 gog of corsair xms3500c2 running at 208mhz
audigy 2, ovp mod, L12 cut, etc. :-)

Foozeball Jul 06, 2003, 02:39pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Thanks Matt! After going to the Rage3D site I was leaning that way. Many of us really appreciate the information you have posted about the ATI cards. Keep cranking up the vid scores!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jul 06, 2003, 04:09pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Any Secrete News on ATI's Next Cards Aka Radeon 10000 Pro and such???

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jul 06, 2003, 09:31pm EDT Report Abuse
>> THE R420
Thanks Foozeball, Here is the current info on the new R420...sounds promising however we all know that things can change rather quickly in the paper projects world.

1 Jul 06, 2003, 10:06pm EDT Report Abuse
>> DANGIT i clicked enter instead of the info
sure would be nice to have an edit button,,,:-)

Evidentally ati has decided to surpass the R400 for the R420....releasing both but stopping the funding for the development of the 400 to $150million

James Smith Jul 09, 2003, 10:49am EDT Report Abuse
>> Radeon 9700 Pro Conflict
Have just found out my Radeon 9700 Pro GPU is directly incompatable with my MSI K7N2-L motherboard (woohoo).

Are there any BIOS updates that will fix this problem or do i need to swap my motherboard (I'm keeping my Radeon and anyone that suggests an FX can...)

thanks ppl

1 Jul 09, 2003, 01:36pm EDT Report Abuse
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well, You wont truelly know the impact and how it pertains to your system untill you've tried it. You do know that along with various opengl references, direct 3d, and optimized instruction sets for different cpus, that some improvements will have been made however it seems that the 9700pro also has its diferences with the agp bios. That is depending on what version you have. I have several from a frist release board to a brand new 2 week old board....and havent had any problems with either one on any mobo that Ive tried them on. Im using a fully upgraded version of xp though. On the other hand I have had friends with bad 9700pros that I swaped out and installed in a knowingly compatible system of mine and it turned out that for what ever reason their card was just bad.
Looking at the difference and improvements they made to the 9800pro I would say that you could develope a pretty good troubleshooting list.
1) adequate case cooling
2) good contact between the core and the heat sink
3) a good quality power supply
benching differences between 8x and 4x arent very much so I wouldnt be too worried if you dont have an agp8x board. :-)

Garrett G Jul 11, 2003, 10:32pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I purchased the DFI AD77 Infinity board and had this same issue. Someone posted earlier that they could not get the Radeon 9700 Pro to work with this board. Here is a fix that worked for me:

First I upgraded to the latest bios, which reports many Radeon 9700 Pro fixes, but that did not help.

However, in the Catalyst driver "SMARTGART" settings tab, disabling fast/write AND setting AGP to 1x fixed the hard lock-up in 3D-acclerated games for me. Try this with other boards and report if it works.

I might try another board if I am forced to run all games at 1X. One of the main reasons I upgraded to the board, after all.


Mike Lynsd Jul 13, 2003, 08:49am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
When I turn my computer on from a cold start, it seems as though my monitor is not picking up the feed from the video card.

I can get an image when I press ctl-alt-del and select Normal startup. After that, everything works fine.

I am working with a 9700 PRO.

I have tried the latest drivers, different settings in the multi monitor function, flashed bios, different directX drivers, windows updates (plug-and-play).

Can anyone help me?

1 Jul 13, 2003, 02:53pm EDT Report Abuse
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hum, you are the first person to bring up that problem and funny thing is that I have had that problem since the frist 9700pro. it doesnt always happen but only sometimes right??? I ussually just hit the input button on my monitor and the monitor reaquires the signal. Actually now that I think about it...that only happens to my overclocked systems. Looking back I can remember every overclocked system doing that but the system that I am typing this on has never done it....strange. I am using the DVI out on all of my cards too so I doubt thats it....maybe its a synch problem.:-(

will smite Aug 16, 2003, 08:30pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
how the hell did you get 21000 on 3d mark? hella-extensive overclocking or what?

AMD 64 3800+
1gb pc3200
ATi x800XL
Crative SB XF-i Xtreme Music
1 Aug 16, 2003, 08:37pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
9800pro 256 volt moded running 510core/405mem
xp2800+ running somewhere around 2,800mhz (forget exactly)
1 gig of xms3500c2pt running at 208mhz 5-2-2-2

kind of sucks though cause for the money I spent I expected to do better
:-( swap out the amd with a 3.06 and I could pull 23-24k

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Aug 17, 2003, 03:46am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
For all those who do more gaming than Bench Marking, Get the Omega Drivers (Based off of ATI Catalyst)

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Anthony Martino Aug 20, 2003, 11:47pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700

alright, I was just typing a HUGE lengthy post on this issue, but then the stupid page decided to refresh itself and I lost everything, so I'll make this short and sweet.

I thought my ATI card was my problem, since I was having the same problem as everyone else:

* system hangs/freezes

* system crashes to desktop

* systems reboots on its own

It turned out that my problem was a Vantec Copper Heatsink & Fan. The fan had messed up the connector on the Gigabyte mobo I had, and it was no longer spinning. The copper heatsink kept my cpu cool enough that I could get into windows and play for 10 seconds to 10 minutes before having trouble.

Then the cpu would reach the point where the mobo rebooted everything. That damn fan blew out my fan controller when I tried plugging it in there, and also took out a couple of motherboards at a local OEM shop that was trying to help me with the problem.

So, while I had believed that my generic ram and 350W generic power supply weren't sufficient (and I have 4 blue LED fans, a fan controller, cd-rw drive, 120GB seagate drive, 2.4Ghz cpu, neon sound activated light, etc.) it was just my cpu overheating cause the fan wasn't spinning.

I have since updated my negative review on to reflect this change and I apologized to ATI tech support for wasting their time. I hope my story helps some of you, be sure to check EVERYTHING cause you really never know. :)

1 Aug 21, 2003, 12:22am EDT Report Abuse
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word up.....nice to meet an honest individual willing to admit mistakes! Happy to hear that you have identified your troubles and cured them! Now you can enjoy the pure bliss of running a card like the 9700pro.
BTW to all.....just burned in the 9800 pro 256 at 510.75/409.5 at 1.81volts core and 1.8vddq in bios, consistant stable full bench scores of 21,414 with amd. so if your thinking twice about the 9800 upgrade...dont!

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