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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 05, 2004, 04:51am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
hey Matt Do u happen to have Second to Latest Drivers on Hand for Nvidia Based Cards.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
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Arek Hall Jan 05, 2004, 08:42am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Hit return too early on that post...

Anyway, yes. I installed SP1, then updated vid drivers, and just last night updated chipset and bios. Don't believe I updated sound.

I notice a lot of people mentioning voltage and adjusting it in BIOS. What voltage is approriate?

Thanks again.

Arek Hall Jan 05, 2004, 09:34am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
UPDATE:

After tooling around in the BIOS settings, I changed one or two things and noticed a difference. Difference being my games run now. And I can Alt+Tab out, bounce back in, and no hangups! Check to see if you have Spread Spectrum Enabled or Disabled. I disabled it, and it seems to run better. I also disabled ICH Delayed Transaction. Not too many people knew much about ICH (and I may go back and see how I do with it enabled) but I saw a few sites (like tomshardware.com) that recommended disabling SS to increase performance.

Heading to work now, but I'll be back this evening to put my machine through a few hours of Raven Shield and see how it does. So far though, I'm happy.


1 Jan 05, 2004, 10:30am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
yeah, on some boards the spread spectrum funtion does something it shouldnt....like my epox 8rga for example. With it off my cpu remains overclocked however if enabled it boots at the chips stock frequency....that really freaked me out to accidentally start up a cpu with 2volts at stock speed :-(

Corvus Raven Jan 05, 2004, 12:43pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Ah.. :) Of cource. wanted to fix it. ;)

I too have Spread Spectrum disabled on my board.

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ASUS A7N8X Deluxe PCB 2.00 w/ BIOS 1005 (cause? Dunno.. ATM)
AMD XP 2800+ @ 0.0 GHz 0MHz FSB (overheating for no appearent reason)
(2) - Corsair XMS512-3500C2 (5-2-2-2T) @ 0MHz
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro @0
Enermax 500W p/s (ok.
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 05, 2004, 04:56pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
i assume that dissipates heat, ya my bros has it, older board tho ECS P4VXMS (Via P4X266)

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jan 06, 2004, 10:40am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
its supposed to be for emi reduction.....every board Ive ever had I just left it enabled at default percentage and it worked just fine. Seems that just my epox has that problem. I cant remember if my 8rda+'s had that problem (didnt last long enough to tell I dont think:-) )

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 07, 2004, 12:39am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
i assume mine doesnt have it or it doesnt produce enuf emi to have that feature, i dont see anything that states about spread spectrum in my mobo bios.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
1 Jan 07, 2004, 10:36am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
its not near in the same bios menu as your multi and frequency? I dont know many intel mobos but my max3 has it and then all of my amds have it too. All of my boards have it enabled as default and Ive never noticed any benifit with disableing it except with my epox and even then only when overclocked. All of my manulas show it as emi reduction though....I think its supposed prevent monitor problems if your monitor cable is so old it doesnt have the emi magnet in it.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 09, 2004, 01:38am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
in other words it just blocks interference with other devices near the system.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Arek Hall Jan 10, 2004, 09:43am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Back to the drawing board.

After a good few days of continuous Raven Shield (hors and hours) my card started acting up again. At first it was a lockup after 5 hrs of playing, so I just ignored it. Then 2 hrs after I booted back to Windows and started surfing. Then an hour and a half, mid-game. Now back to ten minutes, mid-game lockup, requiring a restart.

On a side note, I've sent ATI a very p**sed off e-mail both about the card and about the awful customer service they provided. Being in retail at a PC store, I've already managed to talk a number of customers out of ATI and into NVIDIA, and it's my goal to never sell another ATI card (until they get their act together).

Anyway, I have no options for assigning AGP voltage. Would a bigger PSU (I have 350W ATM) help?

1 Jan 10, 2004, 12:50pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
ug, sorry to hear that...I had a guy from here take me up on my offer to anyone local to me for help in troubleshooting their ati. He came by on wed night with a 9500pro that had worked fine for a year but then seemed to die after the cat3.10 installed. In the end I got it all going but then I wanted to make certain it was totally stable and we looped 3dmark for a bit while I showed him my gameing rig. I watched the resulted scores get lower and lower till I decided to place my hand inside of his case just to see how the airflow was. He didnt have a gaming case by any means but more of an office case that he had modded to his liking. we cant stress enough the need for cooling in a gaming system. 5 hours is a long time for a chip to be running intense apps so it will likely get hot anyway but you can always do what I did and get a couple thermaltake duct mods...then mount them inside the door with 80mm fans to cool the gpu. I put 2 50cfm sunons in like that and hit 409 on the memory of the 9800pro256 or 400 on the 9700pro...cheap insurance for some long term gaming, here are 2 pics so you can better see what I mean:
http://www.docmodgod.com/9800pro256.jpg
http://www.docmodgod.com/DSC01038.jpg
The first pic shows the big picture so you can see how well these things cover the card while the second is just the door from above so you can better see the angle of attack:-) I believe I bought those at http://www.svc.com

The bottom line was that there was not nearly enough cooling for the gear in this thing. He did have several case fans but they cooled no better then a stock cheiftech case. He is coming by this weekend to install a door fan for the card and Ill prolly give him a 120 or something for the top since he has a ton of hdds and an athlon chipset:-). Im seriolus if any of you guys are in the monterey,ca area and willing to drive over then I have machines with different chipsets to test cards in and loads of extra fans and stuff that I pulled from systems that I got bored with....it all sits in a drawer till someone wants them or I toss them.

Arek Hall Jan 10, 2004, 02:47pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
Well, I have an 80 on the door blowing in, an 80 CoolerMaster on the back blowing in, and an 80 CoolerMaster on the top blowing out. I also have thermal on the CPU. Is this sufficient? If not, what do you recommend? (Keep in mind, I just started fooling with the hardware end and haven't yet gotten comfy with case mods)

If it overheated after 5 hrs I'd understand, it's the fact that it goes down after 10 mins that bugs me. Even if there were no fans, I'd think it would last longer than that.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 10, 2004, 08:27pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
u should have a fan in the back blowing out and then maybe another fan in top blowing out(heat rises)

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Outa Myhead Jan 10, 2004, 08:42pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I have seen a case with two 120mm fans both intake and exhaust in a system....shame the CPU was busted though (guys first time build gone wrong) I would have liked to have seen how effective that would have been. I could get the system to power up but the chip wouldn't function so you could only feel how much air those fans moved about, and there was quite a bit being moved;)

See bio for system setup.
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 10, 2004, 08:54pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
ya id probably mod this case to support 2 120 fans in rear and 2 120 fans in front

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Corvus Raven Jan 10, 2004, 09:57pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
I had a case with 2 - 6" fans. :)
just over 900 cfm. (kina noisey though)
maybe 'rack' would be more appropriate then 'case'. ;)

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ASUS A7N8X Deluxe PCB 2.00 w/ BIOS 1005 (cause? Dunno.. ATM)
AMD XP 2800+ @ 0.0 GHz 0MHz FSB (overheating for no appearent reason)
(2) - Corsair XMS512-3500C2 (5-2-2-2T) @ 0MHz
ATI Radeon 9700 Pro @0
Enermax 500W p/s (ok.
1 Jan 10, 2004, 11:19pm EST Report Abuse
>> its long but please read this...........sorry for the book:-)
they should work great....I use them in one of my systems which has a stocker 9700pro in it. One thing to be aware of though is the l.e.d. wire that wraps around the fan as its easily damaged during installation and it cant be one heck of a nightmare to figure out whats causing an awsome psu to occasionally go into power protection or become unstable. I just traded my son my acrylic case with all fans and stuff for his case (cheesey chieftech) due to my inability to keep any one thing in my system for too long. "scratches"
Anyway, back on topic, I couldnt figure out why my benchmark kept crashing. I had just put in a ic7max3 and a 3.2c and it took several trys just to get windows formatted again. I kept thinking that there could be no way I messed up this card since im so anal about using a static wrist strap for installations now. After a full weekend of troubleshooting and finding no answers I noticed that one of the coolermaster fans was blinking....strangely enough it seemed to sync with the hard drive too-coincidence though. I yanked that puppy out faster then I had put it in and reformatted with ease. Benched for hours on end to test for stability too.
This is the only 9700pro that I havent done anything to and I havent had any probs other then that, which makes me think that something in your systems may either be incompatible, not properly setup, or simply a bad card. First though you might consider the less obvious stuff as dumb as it sounds. Try SPD settings in the bios for ram timings....make sure the ram is compatible with your current bios as most people dont do anything to keep their gear current. If your bios doesnt have optimizations for your ram manufacturer then high end apps with cause instability. The way xp interprits those errors is according to what your system was last doing when the error occured. Ussually device accessed a non paged area is the resulting error and then it will indicate nvdisp for nvidia or atidisplay for ati. ITS NOT ATI. Bring agp aperture down to lowert numbers in the bios in this case like 32mb or 64mb and then allow xp to manage your page file size if its not already. Those are some workarounds if the ram is guarenteed compatible.
For example; I let my son have one of my old 9700pros....it ran great along side the ocz pc3700 el gold ddr which was not suppose to be compatible with his via chipset. OCZ indicates full compatibility with i875 chipsets only for this ram....but it worked fine for 3d apps because I had his agp aperture set to 32mb which will lessen the impact on the system ram for gaming. He got impatient and fried the card while overclocking and I bought him a cheapo fx5200 to hold him over till I upgrade mine again (tommorrow:-) ).
The cheesey fake ddr on that card caused a heck of an impact on the system ram and the incompatibility began to show itself. Today I switched it out for some corsairxms2700c2 and the system became rock solid....and by rock solid I mean hours and hours of looping 3dbenchmarks without a single crash. We are smart enough to know better then to shout immediately that nvidia sucks and then run out and get another ati so we took the time to properly identify the cause:-)
On another note I have seen numerous system builders that are used to building office systems start tinkering in building gaming systems. I walked into one of these stores and saw the owner on one knee in disbelief that his 9700pro would just keep crashing. I asked what was up and introduced myself with an offer to assist by bringing in one of my systems to try his card in to eliminate that as a problem.
Well, I didnt even have to go that far because the first thing that I noticed was that he was using dx9 drivers with dx8.1 on a cracked copy of xp that he was affraid to update. Im like come on dude I know first off that microsoft is royally screwing all of us but hey...you can get a c.o.a. sticker legally all over the net for around 50-60 bucks. Cheap for a $2k system like that. Once he aquired a legal copy he goofed it up again by allowing xp to install the drivers in the update and then immediately installing ati new drivers with no previous uninstall proceedure.....time to clean out the registry and try again. In the end he was happy but the point being that its ussually not the card. Those things are less obvious to some then the whole 350watt minimum stable not peak power supply, or moving wires out of the fans way so the air can flow.
I over 15 9700pros that have passed through my hands I have only found one to be bad and the truth is that we tried everything in the book on that card and watched it crash in every system we tested before finally exchanging it for a working one. I beat the crap outta my cards...for real! I have even had a pump die to the water cooler that was cooling the pelier while volt modded and supplying 2v to the core and while playing ut2k3 so i didnt know the pump failed untill screen started fragmenting horrible. It cooked worse then any and it still ran fine for 6 months after that (till my sone fried it on air).

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 10, 2004, 11:22pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
i like Metal Cases anyhow. By the way My Case is Antec SX830 Workstation, I have a L & C Technology 460 Watt PSU in it.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 10, 2004, 11:24pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI Radeon 9700
oh matt so far the Catalyst 3.10s are excellent, i can run UT2k3 v 2555 at max resolution without making adjustments to graphics any, Who Says "The Way Its Meant to Be Played"Games are Optimized for Nvidia Graphics lol. At Moment Im downloading No CD patches so i can preserve my disks.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write

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