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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Oct 19, 2004, 08:09pm EDT Report Abuse
hmm i thought there was gonna be the X16 Slots in SLI mode, so much for Nvidia and their NF4 chipset, dual x8 slots and no dual x16 slots, what a shame.


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Michael C Oct 19, 2004, 08:39pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
no dual x16 slots? does this mean SLI cards wont be able to take full advantage of the bandwidth ?!?

Carter Sudeith Oct 19, 2004, 08:45pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
'Tis a sad day when AMD's 64-bit procs break neck-and-neck with Intel's latest 32-bit under 32-bit mode.

AMD is going to take 1st place for sure once 64-bit apps go mainstream.

Kash Oct 19, 2004, 09:05pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
I think what it means, is that it is a x16 slot (possible software oc?... oooo) but only runs at x8, probably because of the drivers. I'm sure that if you use a single card, it's 16x, and if you use two cards it's x8 for each slot, in turn, splitting up the work between the two video cards. Think about it: if you had 2- x16 slots, that would be x32. Do you have any idea how much bandwidth that would be? I don't think the PCB could handle it, and I'm sure it would take about 2-3 more years to develop drivers, or even physical graphical hardware, to handle such speeds.

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Lord Coldfire

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Michael C Oct 19, 2004, 09:13pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
I was thinking EXACTLY that, wow your read my mind coldfire.

Kash Oct 19, 2004, 09:28pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
Now if only I had a Jamaican accent... and were black...

Screw it... I'll be a Scottish psychic..

"Uve jus gutta drrink yer werrae awae!!!"

Sincerely,
Lord Coldfire

Sincerely,
Kash

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Will Olson II Oct 19, 2004, 09:33pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
Then we can get more PCI-E slots and have x64 bandwith WOO HOO.... Yea I was thinking the exact thing about that too that it would split the work evenly along with the bandwith and such.

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Carter Sudeith Oct 19, 2004, 10:26pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
We might not need 64X. 16X can handle 50+Gb/s, and 32X can in reality handle 75+Gb/s. I don't think we'll be needing that kind of power any time soon. Oh wait! Unreal 3.0! Uh oh! Bring on the 256X!

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Oct 19, 2004, 10:48pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
i dont think dual slots would have much of an impact on Gamers as it would for Graphics/Video Producers.

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Kash Oct 19, 2004, 11:13pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
There isn't going to be x32, though, Carter... It's only going to be x16/2... The PCB couldn't handle the heat from the speed of the transfers of a x32, and they would need completely new drivers

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Karl Carroll Oct 21, 2004, 02:34am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
My understanding of PCI-E is that we are talking about a serial buss and with dual 8X you are just getting two slots with support for 8 serial channels as opposed to one 16X PCI-E slot. Other than for SLI this has no benefit and some drawbacks I would think.

Besides, NVidia 6800 cards are already close to $500 a piece for the premium models and $400 for the economy versions and just how many gamers are there that can realistically spend $800 to $1000 on video cards alone? Especially if someone like ATI comes out with a dual GPU performance card that runs in a single 16X slot configuration.

SLI sounds an awful lot like a dual Harley dragster. Sure they scream through the quarter mile but how many folks really have the money or the desire to build one. It doesn't matter that every one would love to have one if the reality is that no one can afford one.

Hell, who knows maybe NVidia will decide to give away that second GPU and sell an SLI setup for $500 just to try and shut out ATI. Stranger things have happened.

EB

Sander Sassen Oct 21, 2004, 06:41am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
Keep an eye on Asus for such a combo deal, what I've heard is that they'll be offering a Asus nForce4 SLI motherboard and two GeForce 6600GT cards at around $500.

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Rory Witham Oct 21, 2004, 03:19pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
The PCI 6600 Card are cheap, WE got them here for 205 GBP and the 128 MB card for 125 GBP,
I would think that the card will tandem hence the SLI connection with a 8x and 16X with it giving an effective 10-14X speed..
So from what you said sassen, The P4 is better... of are we still waiting on the SKt 939 FX53-55 on the PCI-express board?

and have we any idea when the dongle for connection the two card is gonna be available or it it come with the GPU cards?


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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Oct 21, 2004, 03:20pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
oh boy HWG with the instability issues again.

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viper bite Nov 28, 2004, 08:54pm EST Report Abuse
>> ok does anyone know if a motherboard exists....
hey everyone does anyone know of a motherboard existing at the moment with pci express capabilities and is for amd 64 socket 939? if not then does anyone know when it will come out... preferablly a name brand such as asus or something along thoes lines. i really dont care about price at the moment.

Sander Sassen Nov 28, 2004, 09:49pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?

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Rory Witham Nov 28, 2004, 10:00pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: PCI E x8?
Shame there is no FX55 test result to check against the P4 on link one


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