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Sophia Berkus Apr 19, 2005, 10:36pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
can i see the difference if i use:

80 GB 4200 RPM Hard Drive
instead of
80 GB 5400 RPM Hard Drive ?


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Poseidon Apr 19, 2005, 10:48pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
You guys have no idea what is going on here. AMD is the better CPU, Intel CPU's are crap, I should know.

Option 1 is the better choice due to the graphic's, but it would be nice to get an AMD based notebook. You will benefit in it's performance.

The 5400RPM is the better choice & YES, you will get better performance. If you can find a 7200RPM instead, then that would be even better.

P.S. Super XP know's his stuff. I should know.

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G. G. Apr 19, 2005, 11:04pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
I got my kevlar jacket on just in case Pinky goes postal at Intel...... poor fella... :-) AMD would probably be more than happy to put you on their payroll if you are not happy at Intel.


Sophia.... as in the rpm for the hdd. the faster the better for performance. It is nice to have the faster speed if you are willing to spend a little more money and a little lesser time while on batteries. The faster speed will consume more power while you are on batteries. While on AC then it is not an issue. The faster speed will allow the laptop to boot faster and load apps faster (plus write functions will be faster). What it will do is help in making the laptop overall a little faster. If the choice between better graphics or faster hdd then definitely go with the faster graphics. So if you can swing the $ for it and willing to give up some time in battery life then go for it.

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guru Shane Apr 20, 2005, 12:55am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
lol We have no idea what is going on here, but you chose the same package for the same reason... lol I guess you don't know what's going on here either.


[Edit] Please explain why you didn't side with Super XP. You seem to imply that we are idiots and he is a professional. Perhaps you want to make him feel appreciated, and well you should, but he is wrong to base every decision simply on a namebrand. That is exactly what he is doing here, and it is obvious.

[Edit] Unless you have worked for AMD, then you only know what shortcuts Intel takes. Surely you must know what types of shortcuts there are and how easily AMD could do the same. I would hope that you wouldn't so blindly believe that one company is geared strictly toward pleasing the community while the other is money hungry. You are misleading yourself and others, if you think that either company has any other goal in mind other than profit.

Brian Stewart Apr 20, 2005, 01:47am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Super - DDR2 is faster.
Certainly in this case it is faster.
Just look at the speeds!

The only difference would be LATENCY. Which, from that spec list, we know nothign about.
The trend is for DDR2 to have higher latencies, but that's been getting better and better.

I hate Intel. But I think Option 1 is better.

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Jonathan A Apr 20, 2005, 02:12am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
The Choice Is Clear Go With AMD Intel Sucks.
AMD RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Daniel Gibbon Apr 20, 2005, 04:57am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
well im in favour here if u want a desktop pc amd wins with there winchester, if you want a notebook u want intel p4-m i got a 1.7ghz version an that absoloutly spankingly great. if you want a really crap comp via used to make cpu's buy one of them lol

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Poseidon Apr 20, 2005, 07:05am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
You are all funny, I work for Intel. Super is not too far off from the truth, but I do admit that he is head strung AMD.

You all have to realize that "Like I said before" Intel's cheap politics is responsible for coming out with the cheap Pentium 4. If Intel listened to us engineers, then we would all be using Pentium M's @ lower temps, but with better performance than the P4's & would match clock for clock with the Athlon 64's despite there integrated memory controller.

Anyway, my point is that Super XP, despite his headstrong attitude with AMD, he seems to know his info. Listen to him, he knows & I among many others back him up.

AMD does rule!!!!!!!!! Until Intel opens there pathetic eyes that is ;)

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guru Shane Apr 20, 2005, 07:52am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Pinky, why is Intel not making a 64-bit processor? I am assuming that it has to do with AMD's patents or something and wanted some clarification. If that is the case, then why not create a 128-bit processor? That, combined with the speed they have already achieved, would blow out any competition. Is there an obstacle preventing the physical implementation there, or is it just more politics, laws, and other paperwork? I certainly wouldn't think it would be much more expensive to add 64 lines to each processor, so how cheap they are shouldn't even have an impact.

You say you work for Intel, the largest CPU business in the world, but you don't seem to have the least bit of pride in your company. That right there makes me have my doubts. You may see things on the inside that no one else knows, but for you to think that the grass is so much greener at another company makes me want to laugh. You either don't work for Intel, or you are young and gullible.

Looking again at your last post, you say that the Pentium M is faster than the P4. I didn't realize they made a Pentium M that was faster than 3.8 GHz. Could you post a link showing the P-M as being a faster processor?

" Abbreviation for gigahertz. One GHz represents 1 billion cycles per second. The speed of microprocessors, called the clock speed, often is measured in gigahertz. For example, a microprocessor that runs at 200 GHz executes 200 billion cycles per second. Each computer instruction requires a fixed number of cycles, so the clock speed determines how many instructions per second the microprocessor can execute. To a large degree, this controls how powerful the microprocessor is" - http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/G/GHz.html

If the P-M hasn't reached 3.8GHz, then it is not faster. What's this "clock for clock?" The GHz rating is the clock speed, meaning the number of cycles per second. Unless we are talking 64-bit compared to 32-bit, the same 32-bits of information is being processed during each cycle, so there is no difference in "clock to clock." That quote even explains that each instruction requires a "FIXED NUMBER" of cycles to process, so you can't even say that one is processing more instructions with the same number of cycles or anything relative to that. Now I'm definitely wondering if you work for Intel, since you don't even seem to know how the processors work.

G. G. Apr 20, 2005, 09:58am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Sorry Pinky.....

But with your attitude as a company man at Intel (so you claim and you even make a sig to be known) and to be bashing the company that provides you a paycheck so as you can exists in society.... I have to say that if I was a hiring manager or HR at AMD... You would not be part of the employee roster just because of lack of pride. I for one am a company man for one of the large computer corp now at 20yrs. I have gone through the ups and downs and all the politics you can't even imagine and with my employment a question at times.... but I tell you what I would not want to work for any other company because I love the company that I am with. Yes there are times that I get fustrated and wonder why the heck upper management or the CEO are trying or attempting to do.... but I get over it very quick because in the end it all works out. Plus there are countless times that I cant do what I was meant to do because of politics but I manage and I let the upper folks deal with the much bigger and wider picture to lead us in the right direction. I tell you what.... I work hard for my company and I take pride in what I do and what MY company stands for. And every chance that I am confronted when a customer of my company is having difficulties I make it my responsibility, my ownership, and my goal to do everything I can possible to make that individual customer happy and this is both while I am on the clock and especially while I am on my own personal time. This is one part of having pride in your company but it seems that you are lacking it.

My youngest brother works for Intel in Phoenix AZ now for 8 yrs. He is a team leader in a group of technicians/specialists that keeps the equipment and tools running that runs to make the fabs. He is a company man that takes pride at Intel. He tells me all the crazy stuff that goes on there but he sucks it up and it is all part of a big company and things do and does get better. He always stand behind Intel. He too, like I have to do things that seems dumb or just not right at times but in the end it all works out. He will and willing to be at Intel for a long time to come.

So if you can't stand it anymore at Intel and your hands are soooo tied up behind your back so as you cant design what a processor should be.......... well.... know one at Intel is holding a gun to your head to stay there.... why dont you just get up and go..... Go over to AMD and see if the grass is greener on their side of the fence.

One thing for sure.... When it is Intel turn to come back to be king for a little bit ( it is a cycle that you want between Intel and AMD taking turns being top dog )...... I bet YOU will be first in line to flaunt it, claim it, whore it, and take all the glory and pride with being on top. But when the going gets tough you are the first to be bitching.... I have no idea of your claim to work at Intel or how long you have been there ( 2months or 2yrs or 20yrs who knows ), but if you actually work there and on Intel's payroll, ...... dude suck it up and take some pride in the company you work for.


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varun rao Apr 20, 2005, 11:30am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Blue buddy, yes that quote is incorrect in a way... the data handled per cycle is left to the CPU architecture ie the channel design. based on this and the overall CPU capability.. the data handled per cycle can be varied.
This is how AMD scores over the Intel..... aight either that was you too were trying to say or I just have too much time on me hands :D.

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guru Shane Apr 20, 2005, 03:19pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Hi Varun. It is my understanding that everything works with binary. That is basically a group of 0's and 1's that together make up the data. These 0's and 1's are represented by the lines as either having current on them or not having current. Every 8 lines is a byte of data, (which is 8 bits), so therefore every 32-bits (sound familiar?) contains 4 bytes of data. Therefore 4 bytes of data are processed during every cycle. An Intel processor (32-bit) processes 4 bytes of data every cycle. An AMD (64-bit) processor processes 8 bytes of data every cycle. The length of the "pipes" (lines) determines latency, or basically how much time is lost from the time the current is turned on, to the time the current actually reaches its destination and is read as a 1. I'm not sure exactly how that would have an impact, as each bit is processed before the next cycle.

Anyway, in conclusion, it looks to me as if the cycles can only process 4 bytes of data in a cycle with a 32-bit processor and 8 bytes of data with a 64-bit processor. Please explain how it can handle more or less than that. I'm not seeing how a difference in architecture would make that fact any different. I may just need a better understanding, but I would like to see some links here. That is, if I'm wrong.

Poseidon Apr 20, 2005, 03:35pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Blue & G.G.

You have no idea what is going on here @ Intel. If Intel would listen to us engineers for once in there political life, then we wouldn't be selling GHz, but instead architecture. We have been using the same crap called Net Burst for a while now.

I'll get you the link, Pentium M's are faster than Pentium 4's hands down. This is more than FACT.

Intel has a pure 64-Bit CPU called the Itanium. I worked on the first one, but no the second one which is called Itanium 2. And yes, they are not a success, because "once again" Intel's political bullshit didn't want to make a good workstation CPU, but instead build a cheap 64-Bit CPU, which performs very slowly with, 32-Bit.

AMD licensed their 64-Bit technology to Intel for their CPU's. If Intel listened to us in the first place, we engineers would have had 64-Bit CPU's out 6 months after AMD's release.


I'm calling myself Pinky so that Intel won't know who I am. ;) Get It

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SuPeR Xp Apr 20, 2005, 05:12pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
I don't recommend standing by a company (Intel) which lies about there products & sells them way too $much$ for what they are really worth. I call that company a blood sucker.

If it wans't for Intel's recognition in the PC industry people would have already opened there eyes to see a company which cares less for us & will sell us there garbage for load's of money.

Umm, thanks for your input Pinky, Didn't think you liked me or something. ;)

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guru Shane Apr 20, 2005, 05:40pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
I'll be waiting to hear your explanation of how a 2+ GHz 32 bit processor is faster than a 3+ GHz processor. I'm surprised that you, as an "Intel procssor engineer", couldn't provide any feedback as to how that would be possible. You didn't even comment on my breakdown of how a processor works, right or wrong, and told me that the Pentium M was faster AGAIN "FACT" without posting anything to back up your story. If you are truly a processor engineer, then you should, at the very least, be able to explain how the architechture could "supposedly" affect one 32-bit processor being faster than another 32-bit processor. The direction, shape, and length of the lines will not affect the speed, as long as each bit is processed before the next cycle is started. Tell me then how architecture affects anything, unless we are referring to the number of lines that are available to carry current? The clock speed is the clock speed and the processor either carries 32 bits of info per clock or 64. You saying that a slower clock speed is faster looks like an oxymoron to me.

G. G. Apr 20, 2005, 06:21pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Super XP,

You dont have to stand by a company (in this case Intel) and you can say whatever you like (you are doing very well I might add), because like you and everyone else, we all have one - an opinion (others with more of it that the next guy, i think you fit here about intel). But..... when you are on the payroll of a company (in this case Pinky with Intel) you should have some respect, dignity, and pride for whom you work for. If you can't stand the BULLS**T that goes on then the exit door should be greeting you. Find some greener pasture somewhere else or start your own company and run it the way you want it. When you go off and start shooting of the mouth and bash the company you work for to strangers..... well....... that is just not right. I sure would not want him to be on my payroll and if they know about it, I am sure his days will be numbered. Guess that is why he is hiding behind an alias " Pinky " ? Why hide when you feel so strongly about it and just go ahead and display in the sig your full name, employee number, department, managers name and number, office location and so on. I am sure Pinky wont care because in his profile he says that he has a resume in with AMD and he is waiting on their call. I'm sure Pinky is good enough that AMD will snatch him up in a heartbeat...... Pinky.... dont hold your breathe too long... you starting to turn blue.... "oh.... sorry about that Blue"...hehehe

Pinky

Pinky..... just leave fella.... I know you cant stand it being there.... Oh you not gonna leave... waiting on a call from AMD... ok.... What about starting your own company so you will be the boss and not have to deal with bullcrap from others. oh... wait.... you cant leave just yet.... that PAYCHECK is just too important for you.... cant do without it heh ?????


Pinky... I'm sorry dude for being such bitchie about the pride topic. Having pride in the company that you work for is important to me. Decisions are made above you. You are the grunt that does the work, you follow orders as they say in the military, decisions are out of your hands and are made from way above that trickle down. That is why they say " s**t rolls down hill and it just gets deeper ". You just can't send it back up hill. Intel has made some decision in the pasts, presents, and future that only Intel will have to deal with. In other words Intel have made their bed and now they must lie in it. The good times and the bad times comes and goes.

Pinky just find that pride knob of yours and turn it up a little bit. Heck maybe it will show through and someone at Intel will finally listen to you and others and take on yours and other engineer's recommendations and put it into action.

As for lie's..... well all I can say is someone's Lie's is someone elses truth... It depends on which side you stand on. Somebody stands on their version of truth and trying pass it on to someone else could be a lie in their eyes. You can pass on data after data and so on about your version of the truth or lie, but the one that is receiving it may not want to or gonna believe it is a truth or lie.

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SuPeR Xp Apr 20, 2005, 06:27pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Pinky I got this one.

Now I wouldn't say that the Pentium M is faster than the Athlon 64's but they make all P4's look slow.
And when compared clock for clock, say bye bye to the P4's.

http://anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2382&p=5

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SuPeR Xp Apr 20, 2005, 06:35pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Pinky T's topic's

Intel Stole 3DNow & made it incompatible with SSE.
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38749/

Intel Sucks Big Dogly Balls (The Moderators seemed to totally Modded the whole topic, so I don't think it's Pinky T's comments at all)
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/38750/

A64 3500+ OR A64 3700+ w/SSE3?
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/39934/


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G. G. Apr 20, 2005, 06:40pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Blue,

Wait a minute...... I just got a thought...... Maybe "Pinky" actually works at Intel.....but... actually his job is in the Mail Room between business hours and that he is a Junior Technology Officer in the CPU Architecture Department at INTEL CORPERATION during after hours at home. :-)

Maybe that explains why he cant rattle off immediately how a cpu actually works down to the nitty gritty and enlighten us without giving "Secrets" away (or that would lead into trouble with the company's own STANDARD OF BUSINESS CONDUCT policies) and that he has to go talk to one of his friends in CPU Architecture Department for the info and come back with it. :-)

Heck..... even my brother that actually work for Intel in Phoenix AZ, can rattle of exactly what his job is, what he does, how the machines work, how and what exactly what it takes for a fab to be process from start to end when I ask him on the spot and I have. He doesnt have to come back with it. :-)

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G. G. Apr 20, 2005, 06:56pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: AMD vs. Intel too...
Super XP,

Why are you covering for Pinky????? We want to see,,,,, actually Blue wants to see for himself, the info from Pinky...

Plus....... You are so dog gone BIAS'd for AMD and such an Intel hater, so much it ranks up there of not wanting to get an heart attack on purpose or wanting to get some crazy plague....... it is so hard to tell what is truth, lie, or just pure hate for Intel that you dish out.... Heck your website is dedicated to putting AMD high on the pedistal and every word about Intel with hate of what Intel did wrong with this that or whatever and not one of any saying good.

If Intel were to come out with a cpu that would beat the crap out of anything that AMD has (remember.... this is a hypothetical statment)..... would you start bashing AMD and get an Intel ?????? Well..... the way you have been about Intel you would find something or make it up to discredit Intel in anyway you can. That is how much I think you are Bias'd with AMD.... It is sad for me to think this way of you but this is what I end up with your postings and your website.

And those links that you provided..... to me that these sites are trending for AMD and trending on the bias'd side to the point that if any good that is legitimate that comes from Intel is not brought forth.


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