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Mort1616 Aug 12, 2005, 09:14am EDT Report Abuse
Geforces have more raw power than the Radeons, but the Radeons have better qualty features like truform and the gamma correction on the anti-aliasing, to name to metion the obvious ones. I have to ask if Sander is taking this into account when writing his conclusions. As a gamer who likes to dust off his old games and have truform make them look different again, I find this to be an immensly valueable feature.

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Beavis Khan Aug 12, 2005, 09:24am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI vs NVidia
*dons fire-retardant clothing*

I don't see many reviewers getting in to image quality issues, unless they are glaringly obvious and/or seriously distracting. It's far too subjective...one person may love it, one person may be indifferent, and the next may very well hate it. FPS are FPS, much easier to measure and present.

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Mort1616 Aug 12, 2005, 09:46am EDT Report Abuse
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John Alabata Aug 12, 2005, 10:04am EDT Report Abuse
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if nvidia was able to put ati out of business ( 0%) then the videocard market would be at a slower pace, a stand still. For us enthusiate who the hell would want that. Your logic doesnt stand the reasoning

Rory Witham Aug 12, 2005, 10:19am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI vs NVidia
Yes ATI image quality is better. I have read (and Nvidia states) that the FPS drop on the Nvidia card to get a better quality. - you just need to read the PDF that comes with the driver downloads.

From what I have seen the ATI cards are much better at graphics in the way they look.
Nvidia have faster cards - advertised as such which is correct. BUT when they update there BIOS's and drivers for their cards to get that better image quality the FPS drop.

Personally.
I prefer ATI cards over the Nvidia cards becuase of the better image quality. I also think its a a bit of a fake to send out cards to be benched with " special" drivers that would make it seam better than the actual real performance from daily use of the cards.


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Supreet Virdi Aug 12, 2005, 11:00am EDT Report Abuse
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! >>> I am 101% Pure ATI Whoop ASS ! <<< !

Supreet Virdi Aug 12, 2005, 11:02am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI vs NVidia
! >>> I am 101% Pure ATI Whoop ASS ! <<< !

Josh Aug 12, 2005, 11:07am EDT Report Abuse
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And I'm 110% NVidia Whoop-Ass;);)

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Supreet Virdi Aug 12, 2005, 11:13am EDT Report Abuse
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LOL Josh !! :D

You missed the "Pure" word though..I am "Pure" ATI WHQQP Ass !!!!!!!!

Deadcells Aug 12, 2005, 11:19am EDT Report Abuse
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I thought i might just add my 5 cents to this interesting debate...

I'm currently running the ATI X800 pro... having migrated from my Nvida 4200Ti... which replaced my Nvidia Geforce 2 GTS... which totally killed my original dual VooDoo 2's.

However, i must say that i've never regretted buying any of my graphics cards... until now. Yes... the X800 has excellent picture quality... etc... but the improvement doesn't quite make up for the lack in ooooomph! Also... i don't know why but i'm scared to overclock this baby... partly because i dished out a considerable amout of dinero's for it... but also because i'm not too sure it can take the kind of beating my Nvidia cards took.

Anyway... can anyone tell me how safe it is to run the X800 at 510(core)/500(mem) for prolonged periods of serious gaming. Everytime i start a game the fans go bezerk and i have to turn down the ratio.

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Supreet Virdi Aug 12, 2005, 11:25am EDT Report Abuse
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Cooling is all you need. For Xtreme overclock, use Water Cooling. Use ATI Tool and download Omega Drivers. You'll be amazed for sure.

What "Ooooomph" you are talking about though?....

Deadcells Aug 12, 2005, 11:30am EDT Report Abuse
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ooooooomph... as in... 3D mark scores... smooth gaming... you know.... OOOOOOOMPH!!! :)

anyway... i respect your opinion on the ATI front but alas... i don't agree.


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Bynar Aug 12, 2005, 11:36am EDT Report Abuse
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Stick an ATI silencer rev 4 on an x800, you won't be disappointed.

My X800 XT (stock 500/500), will goto 539/570 with this cooler, although I run it a little down from this at 530/560, and the temps are spot on. Not sure why it won't go to 540 and above on the core, temps are fine, guess its just its limit? Any thoughts people? Would a better power supply help possibly? I've got a 550W qtec cheapo that does the job, but its not brilliant.

Supreet Virdi Aug 12, 2005, 11:38am EDT Report Abuse
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Maxed AGP Voltage?

Pedro, sorry didnt understand that last part a bit.

Lou Bot Aug 12, 2005, 11:41am EDT Report Abuse
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FYI when you post a title with "VS" in it, you are hoping to start a flame war. Beside, Master Chief can kicks Predator's A55 any given day!!!! :P:):P:)

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Deadcells Aug 12, 2005, 11:48am EDT Report Abuse
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Question...

has anyone run 3D mark 2005 ... what kind of scores should i be getting? Currently hovering around 5500 without any GPU overclock.


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Josh Aug 12, 2005, 11:52am EDT Report Abuse
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"LOL Josh !!
You missed the "Pure" word though..I am "Pure" ATI WHQQP Ass !!!!!!!!"

Oops, so this is better
I'm 110% Pure NVidia Whoop Ass ;)

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Sander Sassen Aug 12, 2005, 06:36pm EDT Report Abuse
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Ben,

ATI lacks HDR, High Dynamic Lighting, and SM 3.0, Shader Model 3.0, support which are key features if you want the absolute best image quality. With games like FarCry, Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory and BF2 these are must-have features, these games don't look nearly as good on ATI hardware. Upcoming games will also use these features to a larger extent, further widening the gap in image quality between ATI and NVIDIA. Currently NVIDIA has the best product, in terms of performance and image quality, period.

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Mort1616 Aug 13, 2005, 05:38am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: ATI vs NVidia
Thanks to everyone who has replied to my thread. It's nice to find out more on the comparison of cards than just the raw power. So many times AMD have proved that raw power isn't everything, I lose faith in MHz labels.

Personally:
NVidia may have the best card AT THE MOMENT, but I have faith that ATI will come out of the dark kicking and screaming "we shall not go quietly into the night" and re-claim the performance and quality crown. I'd still consider the ATI for my old games' sake though.

Again a big thanks to everyone for making this thread interesting and useful.

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guru Shane Aug 13, 2005, 05:52am EDT Report Abuse
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I think that image quality is more an issue with monitors than it is so much the card. With people's preferences in brightness and all of the other options, (not to even mention what the different default settings are on monitors), then I would be hesitant to base the decision strictly on that. For me anyway, I am more geared toward raw speed and power. Nvidia currently holds this title and has held it since the release of the 7800 GTX. With all of the difficulties that ATI is currently facing, I am seriously starting to wonder about their stability as a business.

With all that aside, the x850's are superior to the 6800's in the majority of games. It has been proven time and time again. If ATI can get their act together, I'm sure that they will release another quality card. Personally, I think that ATI has been trying to do too many things at once. Let's just hope that things get back on track. I know they have made quality products in the past. We'll just have to see what the future holds. I haven't lost hope with them yet, but the clock is ticking. If they don't meet their deadline by the time I have the money for my system, they won't be getting my business. If they think that I'm going to wait on them, they are sadly mistaken.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Aug 13, 2005, 06:03am EDT Report Abuse
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time to ban this topic, This is stupid, anyways imho i think as long as your happy then who cares, i mean both companies have their Highlights and Lowlights, neither is perfect.

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