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CyRuS the Virus Nov 03, 2001, 04:59pm EST Report Abuse
Hi,

I recently bought an Athlon 1800+ with Abit's KG7-RAID and 512 MB Infineon DDR-RAM (2100, one stick).
Now I'm facing an interesting problem. If I configure the BIOS for an XP 1800+ (got the BIOS Update) the system will freeze either before the operating system is about to be loaded OR around the windows xp login screen. If I change the settings for 100 MHz FSB and the same multiplier (11.5 -> 1150 Mhz) the system runs properly. I tried all updates and newest drivers (VIA, ABIT, AMD) but the problem stays...!
I've tried to replace the RAM with one 256 MB stick (which I borrowed from my local computer store...) but the problem stays the same! So I dont think it's the RAM... Is it possible that simply the BIOS isnt ready yet (wait for another update) or is my Enermax 431W power supply to weak?

Thx... Cyrus


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Fcastro NoSpam Nov 27, 2001, 04:02pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
I am in the same boat as you except I am running a 1.4 on an abit KG7, here's my story:

Hello everyone,

Im excited to finally find a forum outside of the abit site.

I just put together a new system with the following:
Abit KG7
Athlon 1.4 (266)
Viper II Ultra (AGP 32 megs similiar to TNT2 Card)
IBM Drive
Floppy
Cd-Rom
350 Power Supply from Ethermax

I put together the bare basics as recommended. My hardrive, video card, and cd are from my previous system.

Anyways after booting up i left everything at defaults and reinstalled windows 2000 into the drive. Somethign was wrong and it couldnt boot. After I did the reinstall the machine booted fine.

Then after that I restarted and went into the bios so I could change the default speed that was selected to its correct speed which is 1400 (133). It is the last speed option on the list. After selecting that I rebooted and nothing. My monitor would even turn on. The computer was on but I did not see anything on the monitor...no memory count nothing.

I have spent the whole day printing and combing for info at abit and amd but have found nothing. I am not sure as to why the system will not operate at its correct speed. Its very puzzzling to me.

Now when I get home I will have to take the battery out the board and turn the power off in order for it to go back to its default values so that I may boot. I am not sure what the problem could be...I don' think its hardware at this point...But I could be wrong...

Any advise would greatly be appreciated...

Justin Nov 27, 2001, 05:11pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Fcastro,
I have that problem when changing the values in my Bios its the wrong speed settings and it wont boot, are you sure you have a 133 FBS 1400?

Cyrus,
What kind of CPU fan do you have and is it ratted for that processor?

Fcastro NoSpam Nov 28, 2001, 12:20am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Hi Justin,

Well today i got home and upgraded every possible driver including the bios. No luck.

I am pretty sure that I am suppose to set it to:
1400(133)

Becuase I have a 1.4 (266) chip in there...

But maybe I am wrong...I figured 1400 = 1.4 and the 133 is half of the fsb which is 266.

Am i right?

Justin Nov 28, 2001, 01:38pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
yes you are right but i have a question does it boot with the CPU set at 100 FSB?

Fcastro NoSpam Nov 28, 2001, 09:02pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
justin you may have hit the problem on the head.

I spoke with AMD and A-bit today. AMD said its either the board or the ram (Which is what i thought) A-bit said it was probably the ram. They said use Crucial, Corsair, and or Kingston.

I just tried a lower 1000(133) and rebooted and my system hung. Apparently its choking on the 133 settings (not sure why). It boots fine when I select 1050(100) in addition when I select 1400(100) its turns it back down to 1050(100) where as if I had selected 1400(133) it completely freezes.

Things seem to be pointing to faulty memory.

I just ordered a Kingston memory piece again today and it will be here monday. Orignally I ordered akingston but the company tried to be funny and ended up sedning me transcend memory. Eventhough I had confirmed with them that they had kingston memory.

I will keep everyone posted, thanks for the help Justin!!

John Deaux Dec 03, 2001, 12:59am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
I think there is more to this then bad ram. I had a 1.3 t-bird in my system with a front side bus of 137 and a mulitplier of 11. It ran great untill I installed the XP processor. Theres too many people having this problem for it to be bad hardware in all of their machines. I've been looking all over the net tonight trying to find an answer to this problem. Here's other people with the same thing happening,

http://www.amdforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=78122

John Deaux Dec 03, 2001, 11:41pm EST Report Abuse
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Fcastro NoSpam Dec 05, 2001, 02:56pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
OK my problem is fixed. Turns out it was the memory. I picked up a Kingston 512 chip and boom my system is completely working now. No problems. I have to install software now and games to test it out.

Ben Liblit Dec 07, 2001, 07:42pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Several of us are running into the same problem: system instability when using a 133 FSB which can be resolved by downclocking to 100.

I think we've now got a better solution. See this discussion in Abit's message board: <http://fae.abit.com.tw/eng/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topi...00502>. A posting by Vincent on December 07, 2001 13:46 suggests downgrading the BIOS to version 5e and also reducing the DDR voltage to 2.52v.

It works! It worked for Vincent, and for Evil Matt, and it worked for me. I've rerun several benchmarks that consistently hung before, and so everything looks great!

If your box crashes using 133 but is stable under 100, try these two changes and see if it helps. I'm planning on sending a writeup to the Abit technical support people letting them know what's going on. Hopefully some clever person at Abit will be able to find and fix whatever bug apparently crept into the 5w BIOS.

John S Dec 08, 2001, 12:59am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Well I had my share of problems with the KG7 as well, only my problems were beyond repair and the board had to be replaced with some nice Asus A7V266e. Here it goes. I ordered presumably a nice system, Athlon 1800 512mb of Crucial DDR, enermax 350w power, and the board of death. I hooked everything up nicely and the first thing I noticed was that there was no setting for the athlon XP chip. Bios update, no problem. I prefer not to format my HD if possible, so I started up the beast and winXP Pro would not load.... Great. So, i found a beat HD, formatted it, then loaded XP Pro again, this time it starts. Seems fast enough, winamp opens up quick, ATOMIX works great, then we get to the semi-demanding stuff. Audiograbber, Unreal Tournament, Quake 3. First to do some CD Ripping i open audiograbber. Nice it's working 2x as fast as my PIII 866. All of a sudden track 3 comes along, the system freezes. Hard shutdown. I said well what can it be come to find out soundblaster live = death with athlons. SO i put in my Philips 5.1 which is nicer anyway, and try it again. Great track 4 rolls around same thing. I move on to another app. UT to be exact. SICK! graphics are mint everything is mad smooth, 2 minutes into the game... Frozen. Im p**sed. I take out 1 dimm of ram since i have 2x 256 and leave just one in slot 4. It works for a bit longer now but same thing. I do every update that everyone recommended and still nothing. I called the place i ordered it from and got a rma # just 1 day after installation. Ordered the ASUS and all i have to say, newer board, less problems, STABLE! Not to knock the ABIT, but i have fried abit boards in the past and that whole quality speed reliability thing.... think again ~~~~~ JRS

Jim Hertzig Dec 19, 2001, 11:40am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Hi, Last night I put together my brand new KG7 and 1600XP to my suprise everything worked. The proper CPU setting for the XP 1600 are a 10.5 Multiplier and 133 CPU FSB Clock.. according to ABIT's FAQ. I have not tried this.. I came up with 1500x100. I think people are overclocking these AMD processor accidentially since the XP1600+ runs at 1.4 MHZ and XP1800+ at 1.6 . Also you multiply the numbers.. you don't just set it to the 133 FSB clock because you have a 266 board.
1500*100 = 1.5 GHZ (close enough to 1.4)
1600*133= 2.13 GHZ (way too fast!)
10.5*133 = 1.397 GHZ (about 1.4, recommended by ABIT)


John Deaux Dec 19, 2001, 08:45pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Well you may have your processor running up to speed, but your front side bus is under clocked. The board has DDR (double data rate) memory which is 133 X 2 = 266.

I finally got mine to work by starting at a 100 fsb and raising it 5mhz at a time and letting windows boot fully each time, untill I reached 133 fsb. In fact I have it slightly overclocked no at a 137fsb.

I did this as per Abit's instructions, while I was on the phone with an Abit technician. He stated "the bios may be a little buggy".

I have the 1800 which runs at 1.53MHz. That's a multipler of 11.5 and a fsb of 133.

Robert Kropiewnicki Dec 19, 2001, 09:47pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Jim,

Add yourself to the list of people accidentally overclocking your processor. You're underclocking the FSB but overclocking the PC due to the multiplier.

You had it right the first time:

133 MHz FSB X 10.5 multiplier = 1396.5 GHz Processor speed

This is why some utilities will report a motherboard FSB as slightly over or underclocked.....so that when given the proper multiplier it hits the right processor speed.

DaveO Dec 20, 2001, 04:04am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
>Also you multiply the numbers.. you don't just set it to the 133 FSB >clock because you have a 266 board.
>1500*100 = 1.5 GHZ (close enough to 1.4)
>1600*133= 2.13 GHZ (way too fast!)
>10.5*133 = 1.397 GHZ (about 1.4, recommended by ABIT)

Mmm, not sure if I'm missing something here, but this sounds incorrect. If you have an Athlon XP, of any rating, you actually do just set the FSB to 133 (assuming you've paired it with DDR2100/PC133). The 1600*133 calculation above isn't correct, 1500+/1600+/1700+ etc.. are nothing more than AMD's arbitrary performance ratings, they have nothing to do with the multiplier*FSB calculation for clock speed. 1600x133 would in fact be a 212.8 GHz. You are however correct in saying that would be way too fast ;) but you won't find a mobo with a multiplier setting of 1600 anyway.

I think what you're doing is 15x100, which would be 1.5GHz, but is still not correct, and unless you've unlocked your Athlon XP, a rather tricky process, just changing your multiplier setting in either the BIOS or with jumpers won't have any affect anyway.



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Paul Garcia Jan 10, 2002, 07:55pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
I currently have the following configuration:

Abit KG7
Enermax 350W
Athlon XP 1600
256 DDR
20GB 7200 Maxtor
Abit Siluro 64Mb GEforce2MX400
SB 128
Linksys 10/100 Ethernet

After reading many forums it appears to be a board, bios, processor or ram problem. I am able to boot WinXP fine with the following BIOS configuration:

1500(100)
Multiplier 10

1600(100)
Multiplier 13.5

My problem is that I can boot up fine, but several minutes after boot, my computer will freeze randomly. It will freeze after several instances of opening and closing Internet Explorer or clicking on msn messenger. Regardless... booting with those values is unacceptable as I am underclocking the FSB therefore getting a total overall speed of 1050Mhz from the processor.

However when I change the FSB to 133 (to get 1200mhz), the OS fails to boot and reports a STOP error message. Relating STOP error codes to faulty memory I then swapped DDR sticks, but still no go... no boot up.

Any other ideas before I send this board back and get another brand?

Robert Kropiewnicki Jan 11, 2002, 10:45am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Paul,

I'm not sure I get where your numbers are coming from:

Athlon XP 1600+ is at 1.4 GHz.

Thus at 133 MHz FSB, your multiplier should be 10.5.

133 MHz x 10.5 = 1396.5 MHz (1.4 GHz)

Is your motherboard changing the multiplier on you or have you unlocked your XP?

John Rambo Jan 15, 2002, 11:13am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
I have the SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, here it goes. The problem lies in the cpu temperature, not the drivers. You see, as the multiplier settings are higher, the cpu temp rises in a parallel fashion. That is why you can run your system at lower FSB & Multiplier settings.

The solution is to either get an AMD approved fan, or add thermal paste between the CPU and the Fan. If one way doesn't work, try the other. I had exactly the same problem, and I fixed it like that.

Also use the MOBO monitor, supplied with the Abit CD. That way, you can monitor the temperature. It should be anywhere between 45 and 55. But not more. Ideally, less then 50.

Please feel free to email me

Paul Garcia Jan 15, 2002, 12:39pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
The solution you had posted still does not address the problem that the processor can not be run at the FSB of 133.

Yes the system can be run at the FSB of 100 but the multiplier set to a higher amount therefore increasing the CPU temperature.

However, this is not how the processor should be run.

I have finally given up and I shall return by motherboard for something else. None of my inquiries to ABIT has been answered and I have lost respect for a company I had once thought was the best motherboard manufacturer.

John Rambo Jan 16, 2002, 12:33am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Well, yes it does address it.

By putting the FSB at 133, you are asking for the cpu to go at a higher temperature. Trust me, go with the temperature, make it go lower. The FSB is still part of the equation:

FSB x Multiplier = CPU speed

So this solution does address the FSB problem.

I had exactly the same problem as you did, and I resolved it by addressing the temperature.

Good Luck

PS At this point in life, i am resolving another instability issue. I get random freezes every now and then, after the system runs fine. So I reverted it to Bios 5W, and until now, it has shown to be a succesfull solution.


John Rambo Jan 16, 2002, 12:35am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: ABIT KG7 with ATHLON 1800 and WinXP
Put the FSB at 133 I mean, and try to make the temperature lower. Forgot to put it at the above post.

Abit, is still one of the best mobo manufacturers.


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