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buddy holly Oct 09, 2005, 02:23pm EDT Report Abuse
hey guys and girls im not sure if this is in the right section or not, but i was wondering if you guys know anything about either the sony dav-x1 or bose 321???

Apparently they use a virtual surround sound system from 2.1??
does this work, whats the sony like (anyone tried one etc).
I only ask about the bose grudgingly cos ive herad theya re doing something similar to sony!
please help, im really bad at making my mind up, but the dav-x1 looks soo cool!



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Adam Kolak Oct 09, 2005, 03:01pm EDT Report Abuse
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I have heard the Bose 3-2-1 and it sounds excellent. It doesnt provide true 5.1 but it does a great job of sounding like 5.1 from just 2.1 speakers. Go for the Bose. Better sound quality then the sony.

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Surpher805 Oct 09, 2005, 07:29pm EDT Report Abuse
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at the prices you're paying for these you can get a real 7.1 system, all the wiring plus have money left over.
basically you're paying way too much for what you get.

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Adam Lng Oct 16, 2005, 12:26am EDT Report Abuse
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I am actually not entirely convinced there is a real quality difference between Bose or Sony...they are both low end mass-fi products.

buddy holly Oct 18, 2005, 04:34pm EDT Report Abuse
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wow talk about a damning verdict, whats so bad about bose and sony.
im not an audiophile, and admitidly dont know a great deal about hi-fi's etc.
Ive been reading up on the dav-x1 and it looks ok

buddy

Sean Costello Oct 18, 2005, 04:42pm EDT Report Abuse
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i have a Bose Stereo and it is fricken sweet

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Adam Kolak Oct 18, 2005, 04:42pm EDT Report Abuse
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Your telling me that those $1300 5.1 Bose speaker systems are low end.

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Plug & Play Oct 18, 2005, 04:43pm EDT Report Abuse
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Sony makes excellant Audio video equipment but Bose (BOW) are master at sound. It would be better stuff audio wise then the sony. Might not look as good but its dam good stuff

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Lawrence O. Wilson Oct 20, 2005, 03:05am EDT Report Abuse
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Go one better, listen to Bang & Olufsen - Made in Denmark

Too Keep this in mind, only YOU hear what is in your head! Only YOU know if it sounds good to you or not.
The rest of us are all telling you what sounds good in our heads, not YOURS!

If YOU like which ever one it is then that is the system that you should buy! No one shares YOUR audio experience, your audio experience takes place inside your head! And no one on earth can alter that for you.
Only Your head is involved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

buddy holly Oct 22, 2005, 11:15am EDT Report Abuse
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from what ive read about bose after the last few weeks, they make stuff that looks good but sounds naff?
im swaying toward the sony.

Greg M Oct 22, 2005, 01:23pm EDT Report Abuse
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Neither!

They are both great, but HIGHLY over-priced. For a mid-range system, I would look into polk. They make some great, affordable speakers.

They sell home-theater-in-a-box setups in many electronics stores, and can be had for just a few hundred dollars.

If you want minimum mess and thinking when setting the system up, go with whichever you like.

I have heard several Bose systems, and while their good, they don't match even my cheap $200 7.1 computer system (similar to a $100 2.1 system, but with 5 extra speakers) from creative.

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Rooin Oct 22, 2005, 01:50pm EDT Report Abuse
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Yeah sound is in the 'ears' of the beholder really.

friend of mine -hates- Bose. yets -hates- another friend of mines Father, LOVES them. hes got bose speakers (rest of setup isnt bose) and a bose 5.1 HTS system (them are spendy) the HTS for movies and the standard speakers for Music. Its loud an sounds good to me. But IMO very overpriced. Frankly I think a lot of people love bose, because they are growing into a 'name brand' product that everyone sees. I mean you can get a Bose 2.1 system (w/ sub) @ Target for $499 (which is rediculous) They talk about how you get "full room" sound without a room full of speakers.

pfft I bought a Onkyo HTS that supports 5.1 the speakers are all small, taking up no space at all an it sounds wonderful. An that only costed me $280 so. Shop around, there are LOTS of choices for Audio other then Sony or Bose.

Dennin
onkyo
Paradime
Infinity
Polk
Blauplunk (think thats spelled wrong)
Alpine
just to name very few of the many available....

Hell you want a audiophiles opinion PM Sander. Ive asked him questions about HTS and subs etc.. hes full of know-how an will give you his honest experienced opinion.

EDIT: oh an BTW WaterDrop- yes $1300US for a Bose system... is low end for them.
Go to a bose store once. omfg there products are spendy!

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Gamerz Oct 22, 2005, 05:51pm EDT Report Abuse
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I hav ethe Bose SoundDock for my iPod - and so I would say go for Bose - their sound is amazing for any audio products.

Gamerz
Adam Kolak Oct 22, 2005, 06:18pm EDT Report Abuse
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"EDIT: oh an BTW WaterDrop- yes $1300US for a Bose system... is low end for them.
Go to a bose store once. omfg there products are spendy!"

I have been to the Bose Store in the Garden State Mall, my dad purchased the $1299 "Bose Acoustimass 15 home cinema speakers" for the living room. We have had it for at least a year or two now. DVD movies sound amazing, but audio CDs dont sound too good. I think they where Bose's Top of the line speakers when he bought them

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Justin Oct 22, 2005, 06:33pm EDT Report Abuse
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I would say check out Klipsch, http://www.klipsch.com they make PC and home audio and there stuff is good. If your not to dead set on getting home theater try getting PC speakers like the Logitech z5500e, my friend bought those and they sound really good. Very clear from what i can tell. At 500 Watts far better and WAY cheaper than home audio. Just what i would do.

Rooin Oct 24, 2005, 12:11pm EDT Report Abuse
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Either way, Bose is spendy. But I guess at all levels Audio is spendy. That is if you want something that sounds good.

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Adam L Oct 24, 2005, 08:58pm EDT Report Abuse
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Bose is on the low end for sound quality in terms of price/performance. This has to do with pure physics. The size of their products (2" drivers and tweeterless designs, 5 1/4" subwoofer drivers) essentially means they are competing with computer speakers with sound quality.

If you have space limitations, I completely understand. But Bose speakers have undersized drivers that are overworked. For example, it is common for HT bookshelf speakers to measure say, 60-20,000hz at +/- 3db. These usually include 1" tweeters of various materials, such as titanium, aluminum, berylium, or silk, and midrange drivers in the 5 to 6 1/2" territory made of polyproplene, or combinations thereof with sandwiched aluminum, kevlar, berrylium, or treated paper even.

With Bose, you have a 2" driver, made of non-treated paper, meaning it isn't particularly stiff (meaning it will have trouble playing a wide frequency range, and will distort easily, even rip with high excursion). The Acoustimass systems only go up to about 13,000hz at the +/- 3b spec before losing significant volume because there is no tweeter to provide high frequencies. The 5 1/2" bass module on the other hand can only extend so high to mate with the 2" driver, and you get a midrange hole of about 80-180hz, where most of male voices are found. Combining the highs and mids, you essentially are missing 1/3 of the entire audible spectrum with Bose speakers. While many PC speakers do worse, they don't cost you $1k, rather they are closer to about $10.

These are the physical issues with Bose speakers, they are unable to recreate the sound that the signal calls for. Nobody says you can't prefer the sound, but at the same time, it would be false to claim that it's an objective virtue.

And if space saving, wife acceptance factor is an important thing, then Bose is a very reasonable choice, although there are many competitors who make small speakers that do measure alot better than Bose, namely Orb Audio, Mirage, and a few others I can't recall.

Kyle NA Nov 08, 2005, 05:38am EST Report Abuse
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Adam L Nov 09, 2005, 06:34pm EST Report Abuse
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There are certain problems with that paper, and the problems with Bose are overrated, but the number 1) issue is its grossly overpriced. It's competing with $200 Htibs at a price of $1000-3000. Folks, there is a massive market in between, 99% of which sounds better than Bose.

As for Sony, their lowend stuff is junk. However I never discount their high-end. Unlike companies like Denon, Yamaha, H/K, Sony has already moved to full digital receivers, and their higher ES offerings go up to nearly 200W/channel with very low noise floors, compared to half the power of their respective offerings. Of course, you could always pick up the gem that is the Panasonic SA-XR55 for only $230, and you get half the power of the Sony ES...

I feel so bad for all these analog solid-state companies, they are trying to hide the digital revolution with high priced flagship products with tons of "features" to justify the price, to hide the price of the digital amplifier (just look at Samsung's 250x7 $5000 flagship receiver) when in reality it costs much less to produce than a good analog product, and performs far better.


buddy holly Nov 15, 2005, 07:41am EST Report Abuse
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looks like i started a bit of a row here, so the general concesus is that both are awfull, or that one is better than the other?
I really dont want a HUGE system, something streamline and simple is ideal for me!

Adam L Nov 16, 2005, 03:38am EST Report Abuse
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If you want some real suggestions, you should go here and ask for recommendations. There are ALOT of good people that will inform you all the nuances of home theater and what you are missing out. They will give you good suggestions for your budget. I could basically give the same suggestions but they will probably be a lot more convincing than just me listing some specs, science, and products.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=89

If sound is totally not an issue for you, and you aren't interested in these things, then technically anything you buy will be satisfactory.

I don't think you are going to get any suggestions for Bose or Sony. Bose is overpriced, and their products compete with bottom-feeders in the HT market (although I admit, they are about 50% of the HT market), Home Theather in a Boxes.

Sony sells both HTiBs and bookshelves, although they can't compete with the products in their price range. Sony is built on its name in the television industry. It's like Mitsubishi, they have one good market (cars), but the sell about a billion other things that suck and generate profits off of their brand name. As bad as Sony is, it gives better bang for the Buck than Bose.

Bose is a private company. It's not privately owned or traded. They can lie, make false statements, make bad speakers, never issue product specs, spend 80% of the budget on Time ads, and sue anyone who makes an objective review of their product. You know what, this is the same business model as a bunch of other "only in America" profitable private companies, like millions of other pyramid schemes like Vector (Cutco knives) or whatever other non-retail, non-public company. The business model is sell crap, advertise you are the best, and you know what? It works. No one complains. But if you goto audioreview.com, a product review page for owners of audio products to drop their reviews, you find that Bose products are the lowest ranked items there, reviewed BY THEIR OWN BUYERS, but a wide margin. All the bose products range from C- to D. You'll be hard pressed to find any other speakers that rate lower than B- on audioreview, so Bose is in fact, that sad. Another thing former Bose owners know, is that Bose hasn't changed their designs on bookshelf speakers for the last 30 years.

The real thing you will need to decide is whether you want bookshelves or small satellite speakers. Bookshelves are a bit bigger, but will sound filler, be much better for music and movies (no more dialogue hole). Satellites are much more expensive for the same quality (actually it can be argued satellites can never match the performance of bookshelves at any price). The satellite market is mostly HTiBs, and Bose. There are a couple of high quality satellite makers like Orb Audio, Mirage, to name a few, but they aren't cheap (although aren't expensive compared to Bose, nor do they fair so bad in music playback).

Bookshelves don't really take that much more space than satellites, since you will need stands or a stand of some sort for them both (unless you plan to hide your satellites on the ground).

Anyway, head to AVS for any suggestions, unless you want to hear more of my prattle. They'll probably suggest you Athena, Axiom, or Ascend bookshelves, and maybe a Pioneer 1015TX or Panasonic SA-XR55 receiver. Just a guess : )







 

    
 
 

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