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Rotem Mantsur Nov 21, 2005, 08:13pm EST Report Abuse
Hey,
I'll try to make it short, I want to buy a brand new PC and I can't decide which way to go !!!
My main uses of the PC are surfing the net, mp3 and video ( not encoding anything ), editing pictures as a hobby (with pictureIt!, Photoshop etc.) and of course, playing games ( like Max Payne, Hitman, F.E.A.R and racing games ), now, I'm NOT a game freak and I hardley play once or twice a week but I'm using the pictures editors almost every day !
What I realy want from my PC is to be very fast while browsing my hard drive and doing other stuff at the same time ( multitasking - like editing a picture and beeing able to open 5 other folders on my HD fast at the same time while surfing the net at almost full speed...!!! ), I want it to support the latest games and thats about it.
I'm having troubles deciding eather to go with the AMD X2 4400 or one of the Intel's P4EE series !!!! I checked compatabilities with motherboards and found out that AMD do not support DDR2 while Intel do, to be more specific, I found a Gigabyte mobo for P4EE that support 4 PCI-E ( like 1GB of graphic ) with DDR2 at around 600mhz while AMD has "only" the regular SLI with DDR 400mhz....So, is it smart to buy a computer now, with AMD X2 4400 with mobo that support the old DDR 400mhz or should I go with Intel P4EE considering the fact that both AMD and Intel are going to come out with a brand new CPU's soon..??
Does going with DDR mobo will give me segnificantly less speed then the DDR2 ??
PLEASE HELP !!!! I always had Intel P4 and I wanted to try the AMDs CPUs but I don't know if it is smart to spend like $500 only on a CPU, and buying a DDR mobo because I feel it will be disadvantage...
Does DDR2 is segnificantly better then the old DDR ?!!!!
Well, it came out very long....but please, help me out here and I will also appreciate if you could recommand a mobo that will be the best for my needs...
Thanks !!!!


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Dublin_Gunner Nov 21, 2005, 08:37pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Once again AMD or Intel...???!!!!!!
That Gigabyte mobo will never be sold, its only a test board. I'd go for the A64 if I was you, or even a good P4EE. If you're not gonna be gaming all that much, go with whichever one you can get cheaper, and get a decent gfx card and a gig of ram.

And to answer your question, DDR2 on P4 does not currently offer anything over DDR on A64, due to the memory controllers and difference in latency's.

Your choice, suit your budget.

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CrAsHnBuRnXp Nov 21, 2005, 08:41pm EST Report Abuse
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"Hey,
I'll try to make it short, I want to buy a brand new PC and I can't decide which way to go !!!
My main uses of the PC are surfing the net, mp3 and video ( not encoding anything ), editing pictures as a hobby (with pictureIt!, Photoshop etc.) and of course, playing games ( like Max Payne, Hitman, F.E.A.R and racing games ), now, I'm NOT a game freak and I hardley play once or twice a week but I'm using the pictures editors almost every day !
What I realy want from my PC is to be very fast while browsing my hard drive and doing other stuff at the same time ( multitasking - like editing a picture and beeing able to open 5 other folders on my HD fast at the same time while surfing the net at almost full speed...!!! ), I want it to support the latest games and thats about it.
I'm having troubles deciding eather to go with the AMD X2 4400 or one of the Intel's P4EE series !!!! I checked compatabilities with motherboards and found out that AMD do not support DDR2 while Intel do, to be more specific, I found a Gigabyte mobo for P4EE that support 4 PCI-E ( like 1GB of graphic ) with DDR2 at around 600mhz while AMD has "only" the regular SLI with DDR 400mhz....So, is it smart to buy a computer now, with AMD X2 4400 with mobo that support the old DDR 400mhz or should I go with Intel P4EE considering the fact that both AMD and Intel are going to come out with a brand new CPU's soon..??
Does going with DDR mobo will give me segnificantly less speed then the DDR2 ??
PLEASE HELP !!!! I always had Intel P4 and I wanted to try the AMDs CPUs but I don't know if it is smart to spend like $500 only on a CPU, and buying a DDR mobo because I feel it will be disadvantage...
Does DDR2 is segnificantly better then the old DDR ?!!!!
Well, it came out very long....but please, help me out here and I will also appreciate if you could recommand a mobo that will be the best for my needs...
Thanks !!!!"

ok. if you want to play the latest games and do video go with the dual core. and your right, AMD doesnt support DDR2...yet. they wont support DDR2 until they come out with socket M in June ish. if it was just surfing the net and doing video id say go Intel. DDR2 does have advantages over the old DDR. like bandwidth and other stuff i cant think of.

You do realize that if u get a new board u obviously need a new cpu which is what were talking about, new ram and possibly a new video card.

Im saying go AMD cause of the fact that you said that you "want it to support that latest games and thats about it" and it would be better for video imo.

G. G. Nov 21, 2005, 10:01pm EST Report Abuse
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I say just step back and decide what you ultimately want to spend or how much of your wallet you want to empty out. Then try to get as much system as you can. Remember... it is not just the cpu and motherboard... but all the other goodies that make the system as a whole which has to share into that wallet of yours. When you are talking P4EE and AMD X2 then you are getting into the high dollar areas, heck even the upper end of the single core from either side demands top dollar. Typically AMD will make more sense if you are heavy into the gaming side and the Intel will be more appropriate for the office/mulitmedia/video side of things but both will be very respectable at doing it all. If you want to try out AMD then I say go for it but if you want to stick with what you are comfortable with then there is nothing wrong with that.... Go with what you will be most happy with and NOT what someone else is happy for you (bad mistake)... AMD will evenually go with DDR2 but that wont be until mid to end of next year. So if you really want DDR2 and it is a must... then you will need to go with an Intel system to upgrade now or wait till end of next year if you fancy to try AMD.... Your system will be dictated by what your needs now or if you are willing or not to wait.

Good luck.

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Suspended User Nov 21, 2005, 10:17pm EST Report Abuse
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3800 x2 toledo
msi k8n neo 4 platinum
6800gt/ultra ( fairly decent and relatively cheap these days )
2 x 512 ram, i reccommend Mushkin/geil/ocz/corsair
2 x 36 or 74 gig raptors on raid 0

This will play the latest games and will be good for multi tasking.

guru Shane Nov 21, 2005, 10:44pm EST Report Abuse
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Whether you go with Intel for cheaper prices and less power or AMD with higher prices and more power, GET A DUAL CORE PROCESSOR.

I LOVE mine. :) It makes all my other PC look like junk, and that is not an exageration.

Rotem Mantsur Nov 22, 2005, 01:30pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Once again AMD or Intel...???!!!!!!
Well, you all recomended AMD so I think I'll go with the X2 but one question though...I saw that some of you are using DDR 600 (!!!) and I thought the highest speed of the DDR is 400 so, can someone explain this to me please..? and does all mobo's that support Dual DDR will support a memmory of 600mhz ?
It will be great if you could recomend a couple of mobo's that supports the 600 DDR and SLI.
Thanks a lot guys, you are the best !!!

Josh Nov 22, 2005, 01:49pm EST Report Abuse
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The extra speed of the memory is for overclocking, so that your memory has no problems when you want to O/C your proc.

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mothow Nov 22, 2005, 01:56pm EST Report Abuse
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But that dont mean because you have DDR600 that you will be able to OC your cpu high enough to use it.But thats why you can change timings.If you can only OC to say 250 fsb you change the timings to say cas 2.5-3-3-6-T1 instead of the cas 2.5-4-4-8-T2 that most ram needs to hit that high.Help's out with the lower fsb

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Rotem Mantsur Nov 22, 2005, 04:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Once again AMD or Intel...???!!!!!!
Whats the different between the X2, the FX-57 and the Opetron CPU's ? which one will suit me the most based on my needs ( see first post in this thread )...also I'm thiking of getting the X2 4400 so I guess the FX-55 ( or 56 if its even exist ) is more relevent...
Thanks.

Lost Faith Nov 23, 2005, 01:20am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Once again AMD or Intel...???!!!!!!
I'd strongly recommend the opteron 165 denmark. it's basically a very good overclocking Toledo core (4400+/4800+) cpu with a price tag of ~$280 and available in the socket 939.


standard overclock on stock volts and with the stock heatsink seems around 2.7GHz making it two boosted FX-55's in your system if you couple it with a good motherboard and decent ram. (DDR400 based on BH-5 or TCCD chips will give you a nice overclock coupled with very fast response times)


this is an article that came out tuesday:
http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20051121/index.html

some really good info on platforms and expected performance.

and as you see dual cores are right up there or they even beat all. (especially AMD X2's, note that the opteron series is not included here, but perform like the toledo's)


I'd say get a 165 Denmark 1.8GHz 2x1MB L2 cache
a good mobo (DFI Lanparty Nforce4 ultra/sli)
2x1GB DDR400 low latency RAM (Don't skimp on good memory, bad memory gives the worst stability/compatibility problems in all systems)
a good aftermarket heatsink for your dual core CPU (like Zalman cnp7x series)

get a decent PSU with good and possibly dual +12V rails and high efficiency (+80%) (brand name matters here as no name brands sell with cheap capacitators giving you expensive system bad (fluctuating) voltage damaging core components and worse...

7800G(T/S)/X1800XL these cards are really good and not overpriced like the other (GTX/XT) are.

a good HDD with SATA2 spec & NCQ if possible 16MB cache.


that should be a very decent long lasting power station ready for the next 2 years.


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Rotem Mantsur Nov 23, 2005, 06:26pm EST Report Abuse
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Hey,
First of all, THANKS A LOT for your help, I'm definitly going with the X2 4400, about the mobo, I'm not sure yet, I have 4 mobo's to choose from and I wanted to ask for your help with that...the mobo's are:
1) Abit an8-32x_top_500
2) Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe
3) DFI - LANPARTY UT NF4 SLI-DR Expert
4) Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-SLI
So....what should I get...???? if you can tell me the pros and cons in comparisson it will be GREAT.
Now, one more thing, about video cards, I saw that there are 256mb and 512mb of the 7800 GT, when the 512mb is without SLI, its like one card of 512mb...is it better to go with one card of 512mb or two of 256mb with SLI ? Which brand is the best, EVGE, XFX, GIGABYTE regarding the 7800 GT ? or should I get 2 of the 6800GT's ???? or maybe I should go with ATI's cards ??
Thanks for your help, I want to get my list ready and order all the hardware !!! I'll probably have some more questions so be sure you'll see them here !!
Thanks again guys !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Surpher805 Nov 23, 2005, 07:38pm EST Report Abuse
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I'de look into an MSI board if I was you.
make sure it has an Nvidia N-force chipset.

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SuPeR Xp Nov 23, 2005, 07:52pm EST Report Abuse
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WHy are we talking about this again anyway? AMD's Athlon 64's are the best right now. They are newer, faster & carry a better price period.


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Lost Faith Nov 24, 2005, 01:15am EST Report Abuse
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Dfi Lanparty NF4 SLI-dr Expert

that is the tweaking board for exact finetuning every imaginable setting and maxing out your performance for cpu/memory.

second I'd say the asus. the true 2times 16pci-e board, a8n32 sli should be a very good board too



for videocards best first IMHO: BFG (overclocked + lifetime warranty) - XFX - EVGA - Asus

get now one 7800GTX512mb and upgrade later to another 7800GTX512 should you need more gfx power. a 7800GT256mb sli setup is nothing compared to a 7800GTX512mb sli setup.

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SuPeR Xp Nov 24, 2005, 09:26am EST Report Abuse
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