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  PCGEEK takes on ATI X1800XT 512 & scores BIG 
 
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Jan 11, 2006, 04:51am EST Report Abuse
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IMHO, that's what matter most. The fact that PCGEEK owned quite a few high-end nVidia cards before his X1800XT, and that he still would recommend the ATI card. That should be more than enough proof for everyone that the man is not an nVidia fanboy, but a consumer impressed by the quality of an ATI card.

You could probably call me an ATI fanboy. I have been buying their products for years, and only their products. Only recently has nVidia caught my attention, and I will be paying attention. I would love to see how the X1900 series and the 7900 series stack up against each other.

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SuPeR Xp Jan 11, 2006, 07:42am EST Report Abuse
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I agree with Mr. McFly, PCGEEK is all the proof we need to make a graphics card desition.

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ECH Jan 12, 2006, 08:16pm EST Report Abuse
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Did any of you guys read these benchs on the x1900xt/xtx and the 7900 GTX?

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=4346
I don't know what to make of it myself, it just doesn't look right to me..

PCGEEK Jan 12, 2006, 08:22pm EST Report Abuse
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lol of corse we all geeks

A_Pickle Jan 12, 2006, 09:32pm EST Report Abuse
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No offense to PCGEEK...

But I don't need nor want anyone's opinions but my own, and those of several review sites before I go and decide on my stance regarding a particular card or company. I distinctly recall defending the X1800 XT from the moment the article (the one that started GPU War III) here was published, and reviews from other sites confirmed that the card was no slouch. That being said, it isn't THAT much faster than the Geforce 7800 GTX 256 MB, but it is quite a bit faster than the "lower-end" Geforce 7800 GT.

I don't particularly think either company makes a good or bad card, but I am frustrated by Nvidia's corporate actions that work to hurt me and my right to choose. In addition, their corporate decisions have led to the creation of games that have good graphics, yet no optimization. The corporate decision I am in distinct dislike of is, of course, that of the creation and marketing of the Scalable Link Interface. Whoever thinks this, or any other dual-graphics solution is an example of technological progress is deluding themselves.

SLI results in double the power consumption and double the real estate to work. It has been brought on to the world by Nvidia, and people have, unfortunately, paid for and accepted it. Because of this unfortunate resounding success, ATI, in order to stay competitive, has been forced to launch their dual-graphics solution, or be forced out of business. S3 graphics has, in turn, launched theirs, for whatever it's worth. Seldom do any of these solutions offer any more than a 70% increase in gaming performance, while consuming twice the power, requiring twice the space, and costing twice as much to do so. In addition, all of this sudden excess performance has resulted in games like "Doom 3", "F.E.A.R.", "Quake 4", and "The Chronicles of Riddick," all of whose game engines are simply set to run on two cards. Mind you, I'm no fan of Steam, and Half-Life 2 has a lot of work left before I call it perfect, but Valve got the important part right, and I could run that game on high settings, 1280x1024, and later I could run Half-Life 2: Lost Coast on high settings at 1024x768 -- ON A RADEON NINETY-SIX FREAKING HUNDRED XT.

Can you imagine trying to run F.E.A.R. on that? Yet, somehow, I'm able to play a MORE RECENT game that implements HDRI lighting throughout the level, at 40-60 frames per second on a VERY old card.

What's worse is the industry's acceptance of this "wanking technology," and Nvidia's refusal to cooperate. While Intel struggles to get the i975X chipset to function as a dual-PCIe solution for ALL platforms, Nvidia won't sign, while ATI's CrossFire and S3's DuoChrome both work perfectly on the i975X. There's even talk of SLI for laptops. RRrgh. Nvidia's getting to big for their own britches, and I hope someone, namely ATI, kicks them in the arse, hard.

-Pikl

PCGEEK Jan 12, 2006, 09:41pm EST Report Abuse
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my findings and recommendations are not for you lol. You don't qualify



SuPeR Xp Jan 12, 2006, 10:20pm EST Report Abuse
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A_Pickle "Nvidia's getting to big for their own britches, and I hope someone, namely ATI, kicks them in the arse, hard"

I agree LOL, good one,

PCGEEK's little reviews are very very important, because he doesn't f**k around, it's all truth & fact. ;)

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Maxtor Storage Jan 13, 2006, 12:19am EST Report Abuse
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http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2649&p=1

5.12 ATi Drivers. Meh, the GTX 512 is still ahead...As I said before, that card is still faster than the X1800XT(in 3D gaming), no matter how much you try to improve the drivers for the x1k family. It's just running at a huge clock-rate increase. Though for $700, that's not interesting for me...But I know that they made quite a few changes to the design from the plain GTX 256MB, and that costs money. For a Hardcore gamer+ Over-Clocker the X1800XT is the way to go, but for a regular user or someone that does not want to bother hacking their system, the GTX 512MB is showing the lead...

I'm impressed at what happened with Black and White 2, even the X850XT is running faster than the X1800's. Must be an issue in the driver that hasn't been updated up to 5.12...Maybe 5.13 does address this issue.

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2645&p=1

Well, according to testing the 5.13 drivers. 3D Gaming performance is not what improved, but it was the capabilities of AVIVO that did. Well, to an Over-Clocker the X1800XT is now defeneatly the card for doing anything.

The X1800XT card is at such a great price of $450 shipped, and the ATi made X1800XT is $500 shipped. Directly from ATi it's at $599 (Tax and shipping not included)

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Jan 13, 2006, 12:46am EST Report Abuse
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"One more frame per second is an improvement in my book. If I feel like paying for that improvement, and if I have the ability to pay, I will do so if I choose so, whether its $50 or $5,000, and you will not stop me from doing so."

Yeah, I would probably be the same way if I earned as much money as you do. As it stands now, I make about $25k per year, so constantly upgrading to the absolute latest-and-greatest is not an option for me. I have to prioritize (for instance, I need to eat and have a place to live), but I manage to have enough cash laying around once in a while to get some nice parts. :)

The people on here who are constantly bitching and whining about what card is better than what card, which card "schools, pwns, or crushes" the other, seem like that aren't even enjoying the games that they're spending thousands of dollars on to play. It's f**king sad.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jan 13, 2006, 03:07am EST Report Abuse
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ya all these corporations and other websites review a product once and never go back to it, and they give their final verdict before testing the sucker at a later date when drivers Designed for the series are out, to measure its real performance.

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Supreet Virdi Jan 13, 2006, 04:27am EST Report Abuse
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Maxtor Storage,

Following is the review with Catalyst 5.13

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/asus_extreme_x1800_xt_top/

SuPeR Xp Jan 13, 2006, 07:26am EST Report Abuse
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Maxtor Storage, the X1800XT are available & are selling like Hot Cakes. Where as NVIDIA's monster 512MB GTX is nowhere to be found.

Well, anyway, when you consider that the 7800GTX 512MB has 24 Pixel Pipelines with those high clock speeds, it should obviously beat out anything out in the market right now. But I still stand strong that it sucks in Price/Performance.

The X1800XT is way better in Price/Performace, and I rather have Image Quality than raw speed ;)

Nice article PCGEEKm that explains alot.

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BrinNutz Jan 13, 2006, 10:37am EST Report Abuse
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anyone know where i can get the ASUS Extreme Radeon X1800 XT TOP/2DHTV??? cant find it

Maxtor Storage Jan 13, 2006, 06:24pm EST Report Abuse
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"Well, anyway, when you consider that the 7800GTX 512MB has 24 Pixel Pipelines with those high clock speeds, it should obviously beat out anything out in the market right now. But I still stand strong that it sucks in Price/Performance."

I'm all ready ahead of you on that.

"5.12 ATi Drivers. Meh, the GTX 512 is still ahead...As I said before, that card is still faster than the X1800XT(in 3D gaming), no matter how much you try to improve the drivers for the x1k family. It's just running at a huge clock-rate increase. Though for $700, that's not interesting for me."

"The X1800XT is way better in Price/Performace, and I rather have Image Quality than raw speed"

I'm all ready ahead of you on that.

"Well, according to testing the 5.13 drivers. 3D Gaming performance is not what improved, but it was the capabilities of AVIVO that did. Well, to an Over-Clocker the X1800XT is now defeneatly the card for doing anything."

Don't have to tell me points, I pretty much know it. Though I'm pointing out to some facts that the GTX 512MB is some times ahead by quite a good % in some games. As I said MANY times, the card is extreamly over-clocked over a regular GTX 256MB and with very fast Memory, and that being said a X1800XT is a much better choice for an Over-Clocker due to being available and having a low price-high performance ratio.

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Michael A. Jan 14, 2006, 12:24pm EST Report Abuse
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SuPeR Xp Jan 14, 2006, 06:01pm EST Report Abuse
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Michael Adames-Hill,

No Problem :)

And Max, the 512MB GTX does perform faster than the X1800XT 512MB, they are both in different classes. The X1800XT 512MB was made to compete with the 256MB GTX, not the 512MB. But as you can see with benchmarks, the X1800XT 512MB stands on its own against them both.

Now if you want the fastest RAW performance & speed than go for the 512MB 7800GTX, if you want nice competative performance with the "Best Image Quality" than go ATI.

Simple as that.

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Maxtor Storage Jan 15, 2006, 12:28am EST Report Abuse
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All ready ahead of you on that.

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<a class= Jan 15, 2006, 03:05am EST Report Abuse
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Geek, what was your 3dmark05 score again? Because I managed to pull over 10k with 256meg GTX when OC'ed to 540/1400

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PCGEEK Jan 15, 2006, 11:55am EST Report Abuse
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Predator Jan 15, 2006, 02:45pm EST Report Abuse
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SuperXP, you said the X1800XT 512MB was made to compete w/ the 7800GTX256, correct? That's where I think ATI are a bunch of sissies. They couldn't do a fair deal and make a *256* MB X1800XT to compete w/ the 7800GTX256. I'm sorry, but the X1800XT512 is *supposed* to compete with the 7800GTX512...and the 512 outperforms it. End of Story.

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