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Kid Chaos Dec 14, 2005, 11:53am EST Report Abuse
whats better?

FUJITSU Ultra 320 SCSI/SCA2/LVD 147Gb 10,000 RPM

Model: MAT3147NC
Part Number: CA06350-B200
Capacity: 147GB
Speed: 10,000RPM

OR

Western Digital Raptor 74GB Hard Disk Drive 10,000 RPM

OR

Seagate Cheetah ST173404LCV 73.4GB 10000rpm U160 80pin


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Kid Chaos Dec 14, 2005, 01:14pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
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Rory Witham Dec 14, 2005, 01:33pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
SCSI, SATA or SCSI, two differnt types of drives.. raptors are rubbish so out goes thatone. fuji drives have always worked well for me and I have some very old ones kicking about. western digital are so so. had a few new ones fail.


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Kid Chaos Dec 14, 2005, 01:39pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
whats the difference between SCSI, SATA and IDE? just different connections?

Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 01:41pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
Without doubt, the Fujitsu, unless you can step up to the Cheetah X15.

Supreet Virdi Dec 14, 2005, 01:59pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
Raptor's are rubish Rory?

Surpher805 Dec 14, 2005, 02:06pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
I would go with western Digital, I have always had great success with their products and if you ever have anthting go wrong with one of their drives they will send a replacement to you very quickly almost no questions asked.

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Josh Dec 14, 2005, 02:12pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
Yeah, I'd go with the raptors, too.
Rory really has something against WD, I don't know why.

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Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 02:53pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
Listen. I own raptors. In fact I own so many that its embarrassing to state how many I have. The reason why I have thenm is because they are cheap. Very cheap. About 2 to 3 times cheaper than comparable drives. Raptors are Sata. These don't hold a candle against a good, I emphasize good, U320 scsi drive, which the Fujitsu clearly is. Even the TCQ or NCQ on the raptor is a joke compared to say.. a Cheetah or Atlas. Rory is correct that raptors or any Sata I/II/III drives are not very good for workstation usage.

Supreet Virdi Dec 14, 2005, 03:05pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
Well, as far as I know, Raptor's are great Hard Drives, here's a review as follows:

http://www.storagereview.com/articles/200401/20040126WD740GD_1.html

Chris McNally Dec 14, 2005, 03:38pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
I think the point is that Rory stated the Raptors are rubbish, which is clearly not the case. Just because they are not as good as some other drives (which are incidentally much more expensive), doesn't mean that they're rubbish per se.

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SuPeR Xp Dec 14, 2005, 03:39pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
WHAT? Raptors are Rubish? or did you make a typo?!!? here let me correct you "Raptors are Rockin"

Now that sounds better,

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Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 03:42pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: FUJITSU or WESTERN DIGITAL OR....? ADVICE
I'm not here to defend Rory. However, I want to be fair to Rory. I too have a vested interest in seeing that the raptor is recognized as a good drive, after buying more than any sane person would have bought - 10.

The bottom line is that the raptor belongs in a home PC and that's about it. It is impressive in a home PC and again, that's about it. When compared against drives it was meant to compete against, it routinely and repeatedly gets trashed. Raptors are butt cheap. Cheap as can be. That is the only advantage, and you pretty much get what you pay for too. His "rubbish" comment was in that context.

99% of users in this forum only relate to the ATI/Nvidia gaming machine type of PC. Of course the raptor is good in that context as there are few other drives that are comparable.

SuPeR Xp Dec 14, 2005, 03:59pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
I agree, Ian Yeoh that the Raptors are home based HD's. High End home based that is. I guess I missunderstood Rory, I thought he ment that they just flat out stink. Well, I read wrong :)

Though, the only think I hate about the 10,000RPM Raptors is the FACT that it's high price has stayed the same for over a year. So, that is why I will never buy one, unless they decrease the price, & by then, there will be better drives.

One question though? How are the SCSI 15,000RPM drives in gaming? And can you install an OS on them & also run RAID 0 with two of them? And are they internal or external drives & how much ;)

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Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 04:20pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
Though, the only think I hate about the 10,000RPM Raptors is the FACT that it's high price has stayed the same for over a year. So, that is why I will never buy one, unless they decrease the price, & by then, there will be better drives.

One question though? How are the SCSI 15,000RPM drives in gaming? And can you install an OS on them & also run RAID 0 with two of them? And are they internal or external drives & how much

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Trust me. The Raptors are dirt cheap. The 74 GB raptor costs about $175 discounted or about $200 retail-at-giant-box-store. Raptor prices are never going to come down. In fact, the 147 GB more advanced raptor is coming to market soon... at over $400 each.

Before this machine, I ran previous generation x15 Cheetahs non-raid standalones. They are fabulous for home usage. In fact, its plain stupid to buy an AMD dual core and not use SCSI because it does the multitasking bit so well. I do that only because Sata is so cheap.

A current generation X15 Cheetah 73 GB costs $450. The 36 GB version is available in the mid $200s. They just launched the next generation 147 GB x15 at over $1,100 lol

Now, two of them 73 GBs.. about $900. Add the controller, another $450 to $600... and you also get what you pay. Buy the cheap stuff and you get performance likes**t.

There you go. That's scsi for you. And truly, in a workstation, Sata is likes**t compared to scsi.


Adam Kolak Dec 14, 2005, 04:24pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
I would go for the Western Digital for sure. There the only hard drives i use. I guess you can call me a Western Digital fanboy. I cant stand the noisy clicking like noise of the Maxtors. And the Seagates just seem cheap to me. And i cant say about Fujitsu or Hitachi because i have never used any of thier drives and never plan too.

I love both my Western Digital Caviar drives.

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Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 04:32pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
Water Drop,

The discussion concerned scsi drives. I'm glad you like your Caviars, but please understand that we are not talking about regular home computer hard drives here.

Chris McNally Dec 14, 2005, 04:35pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
The original poster is, since he mentioned them specifically as an option.........

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Ian Yeoh Dec 14, 2005, 04:44pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
Chris,

Once again, Rory is correct that raptors are "rubbish" in the context of workstation and server usage. Don't take offense at that remark. Its just the truth. The benchmarks that we all see are done by home PC enthusiasts, not server professionals.

Yes, he did mention sata as an option, but he did start off with guns blazing about 10k rpm scsi.

Chris McNally Dec 14, 2005, 07:10pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
I wouldn't dream of taking offense at any remark directed at a piece of computer hardware, Ian. It makes no odds to me.

Regards,

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SuPeR Xp Dec 14, 2005, 08:17pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Fujitsu or Western Digital or...? Advice?
You guys kill me with your mannered english. That is great.

Dosn't it suck that 15,000 RPM SCSI drives are that expensive? I guess two of them in RAID 0 would for sure give you a performance boost in games ;)

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