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A_Pickle Apr 11, 2006, 01:08am EDT Report Abuse
I got myself a bit of Windows Vista Beta 2 action on my secondary tower. I've got it running wonderfully on my second tower at 1280x1024, with every visual effect turned on. Let the Linux fanboys and Mac zealots be quashed in their feeble attempts to belittle Windows Vista's hardware requirements:

Pikl's Vista Box:
Pentium 4 2.4 GHz, 533 MHz FSB, 512 KB L2
512 MB (2 x256 MB) PC3200 DDR SDRAM
40 GB 7200 RPM Ultra ATA100 HDD
ATI Radeon 9600 XT 128 MB

IT RULES.

I plugged in my thumb drive to test out what is easily the "useless but awesome" feature included in Vista, where you can use an external memory device as system memory. It was pretty much amazing, I didn't notice much of a performance increase. I might pull one of my 256 MB sticks later, and tell you how that goes.

The there's the whole redone interface, to which I applaud Microsoft. Even if you're not the interface type of guy, you can set it back to Windows Classic style and know in your mind that those darned Mac users are frothing at the mouse. The Aero Glass is nifty as hell, just as window properties are. When you close a window in Windows XP, it disappears. When you close a window in Windows Vista, it sorta slides back and fades away (at the moment I'm trying to get a piece of screen recording software that works). When you minimize a window in Windows Vista, it flies towards the taskbar while sort of tilting and fading away. Then there's Flip3D (Windows Key + Tab)... which is kind of useless.... but pretty cool.

Security is most notably ramped up... almost to the point where it's annoying. I can't fault Microsoft for this, though, it's the kind of security you see in Linux and Mac OS X, and it's what made XP a fairly easy nut to crack relative to the rest. You have to allow almost every operation in the world here, from file deletion to network changes.

Internet was irritating, Internet Explorer 7 still leaves much, much, MUCH to be desired. About the only thing that they got right was tabbed browsing, which is much like Firefox's (middle-click, etc). I gave it a shot, but after being retarded about my Gmail account (which I needed to get the pictures), I decided it was time to get Firefox. Fortunately, Firefox and all of my extensions worked great, and I'm posting with it now.

I'm posting this from the Vista box now.... so.... yeah. Oh, and here's some proof: (I only get a 2 :()

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/4970/burdenofproof3bp.jpg

Final words: I'm really happy with Vista. I feel it noteworthy to mention that Windows now comes with a nice version of Chess to call it's very own, a game so simple yet so fricken' amazing there's no reason it hasn't been on Windows since Windows 95. Expect some benchmarks as well as some videos. :)

Pics:
http://img436.imageshack.us/img436/6044/fxhome6iw.jpg
http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/5536/twopointfour0sb.jpg
http://img382.imageshack.us/img382/4325/higuys1se.jpg
http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/8433/flip3d6ur.jpg
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/5761/upgradedmymemory1dy.jpg

PS: I had as**tload of fun with a bunch of other operating systems last night, I tried ReactOS, BeOS, Kubuntu Linux and Ubuntu Linux. I think I'm going to run Ubuntu on my laptop for good (unless someone hands me a legal copy of Windows XP), I really like the interface.


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Matt BillyBob Apr 11, 2006, 02:36am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
good to see microsoft taking a step in the right direction. so pickle, were the settings you tried the full compliment of settings you could actually apply? (im talking about the interface). and did your ram cope fine with vista and other background tasks??

Chris McGee Apr 11, 2006, 02:39am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
How did the system feel to use? Was it as responsive as you'd expect XP to be? Some benchies would definitely be interesting if you have the time.

Chris McNally Apr 11, 2006, 02:45am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Nice writeup, cheers Pickle.

Regards,

Chris McNally

Moderator - Hardware Analysis
E-mail: chris@hardwareanalysis.com
A_Pickle Apr 11, 2006, 03:31am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
good to see microsoft taking a step in the right direction. so pickle, were the settings you tried the full compliment of settings you could actually apply?


As far as I know, yes.

(im talking about the interface). and did your ram cope fine with vista and other background tasks??


RAM did great. I'm gonna install a game next (Raven Shield or GTA III, HL2).

How did the system feel to use? Was it as responsive as you'd expect XP to be? Some benchies would definitely be interesting if you have the time.


T'was very responsive. I compare it to my laptop (specs in bio) which, under Windows XP Professional is nice to use... but it can be really slow in Firefox and stuff. Well, this computer is as snappy in Vista as my main desktop (specs in bio, sig) is in XP.

Surprisingly, I found that the Windows Classic theme was choppier. While overall resource consumption was obviously lower, it was kind of choppy. Drop-down menus were sketchy and choppy. It felt a bit odd, they should probably fix that.

Nice writeup, cheers Pickle.


I couldn't resist. I really enjoy "reviewing" stuff, for lack of a better term. :)

CrAsHnBuRnXp Apr 11, 2006, 03:48am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Vista's true requirements. This is coming from this months PC Magazine.

"Vista should run on most current systems, but to get the best graphics--known as Aero--you'll want to get a graphics card with 256MB of graphics memory. This will give you a 3D view of all you windows and a transparency effect when dragging and dropping them. "

Read page 53 of April 25, 2006 for more Vista info.

Chris McNally Apr 11, 2006, 04:01am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Pickle-what's your view of CrashburnXP's info?

Regards,

Chris McNally

Moderator - Hardware Analysis
E-mail: chris@hardwareanalysis.com
DarK_SlayeR Apr 11, 2006, 04:03am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
I hate to rain on your parade Pickle, but any happiness (or excitement, whichever works for you) I had for Vista just got smashed and flattened by a steamroller.

http://theinquirer.net/?article=30877

This is wrong, and no matter how cool the OS is......It's still wrong!!!



(I do not wish to start a flame war over this. I'm mearly adding imput to this topic. If you have a problem with that, send me a PM. Keep it off the forums - thanks)


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Intel Core 2 Duo e8400 @ stock
Asus P5Q Pro P45
2GB x 2 Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066
eVGA GTX 550 Ti 1024mb Superclocked
Windows Vista Home Premium x64
CrAsHnBuRnXp Apr 11, 2006, 04:06am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
I think that is total crap. What they are doing is an invasion of privacy. I mean come on, they get into your computer and delete any illegal crap that you may have on there??? Yea, I agree its against the law, but still what M$ is doing is also against the law. If that is the case I will not get Vista ever.


(Do not turn what i said into a flame either. I do not wish to cause trouble.)

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Apr 11, 2006, 04:07am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
id be suprised that the OS will run fine with a 64 MB card ya know.

AMD Athlon XP-M 2500+ (133x14= 1867MHz) (209x11= 2299MHz)
DFI LP NF2 Ultra-B (Hellfire 3EG Rev2)
Antec SX800, Neo HE 500, 4 Antec 8CM Fans
Thermalright SI-97 1 Antec Tricool 12CM Fan
CL SB XFi Xtreme Music
2x Barracuda HDs (250/400)
2x Samsung Write
Chris McNally Apr 11, 2006, 04:17am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Re: Darkslayer's info-that's not good, but I note that it's only (as yet, anyway) being proposed as law in Oklahoma. I'm not sure how MS could include that in a product which is going to be sold worldwide.

Regards,

Chris McNally

Moderator - Hardware Analysis
E-mail: chris@hardwareanalysis.com
DarK_SlayeR Apr 11, 2006, 04:20am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Do you really think it will stay in Oklahoma?





ROFL, that sounded straight from a movie for some reason :D

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Asus P5Q Pro P45
2GB x 2 Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066
eVGA GTX 550 Ti 1024mb Superclocked
Windows Vista Home Premium x64
CrAsHnBuRnXp Apr 11, 2006, 04:20am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
they could still change directions and do something similar. Like Sony. They could have rootkits or something when u install the os

A_Pickle Apr 11, 2006, 04:23am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Pickle-what's your view of CrashburnXP's info?


Fine and dandy.... but... Vista is running perfectly on my system. Saying that a 256 MB card is required for the 3D workspace and the transparency is false; it's like saying Half-Life 2: Lost Coast needs a minimum of a 2.9 GHz processor. You can get a Radeon 9250 with 256 MB of onboard graphics memory, is that gonna chew through Vista better than my Radeon 9600 because it has 128 MB more memory? Absolutely not. I would be willing to venture, however, that Windows Vista will run on a Radeon 9250 with 128 MB of RAM. I'll even test it later on.

Video: (XviD or DefilerPak *might* be necessary)
http://www.archive.org/download/TomSpettigueWindowsVistastuff/vista.avi

I hate to rain on your parade Pickle, but any happiness (or excitement, whichever works for you) I had for Vista just got smashed and flattened by a steamroller.[link]


Hardly. I live in Wyoming. And if I lived in Oklahoma... well... that's the great part about living in a nation whose form of government is a representative democracy. Speak out. Blog. Organize. Petition, fight that law because you're right -- it's unfair. I feel it necessary to point out that the Inquirer....not infrequently reports some pretty questionable articles whenever Microsoft is in the mix.

Yea, I agree its against the law, but still what M$ is doing is also against the law. If that is the case I will not get Vista ever.


How on Earth is Microsoft breaking the law? The fact that you do or do not agree with the action they are taking doesn't mean they're breaking the law. Before you pass judgement on that, I would implore you to read the actual bill rather than the Inquirer-spun version of it, and then I'd like you to make note that:

1.) The bill hasn't passed yet.
2.) It's a state law, and so if you don't live in Oklahoma, wish the geeks there some luck and don't sweat it.

id be suprised that the OS will run fine with a 64 MB card ya know.


I bet you can...

CrAsHnBuRnXp Apr 11, 2006, 04:29am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
What M$ is doing is completely against the law all around. It is considered an invasion of privacy if they go into someone elses computer and deletes**t that is not theirs. What happened to M$ privacy policy?

A_Pickle Apr 11, 2006, 04:30am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
How do you know they are within their rights to do that? Because the Inquirer said so? Have you read the actual bill that hasn't even been passed yet?

Chris McNally Apr 11, 2006, 04:32am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Well, it may well spread across the US, but last time I checked, GB citizens-or indeed citizens of any other country than the US- weren't bound by US law (although if we leave Tony Blair in power for long enough, we probably will be). Will MS make two different versions-one for the US and one for the rest of the world? Maybe. Or perhaps they'll put the clause in as a part of the EULA, and make us all volunteer to it if we want to use Vista's flashy effects.

Makes you feel a warm glow for XP, doesn't it?

Regards,

Chris McNally

Moderator - Hardware Analysis
E-mail: chris@hardwareanalysis.com
CrAsHnBuRnXp Apr 11, 2006, 04:35am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Fine and dandy.... but... Vista is running perfectly on my system. Saying that a 256 MB card is required for the 3D workspace and the transparency is false;


So your saying a reputable magazine such as PC Magazine is wrong? okay thats ur opinion, but if you read my post it said that most computers will be able to run vista. you said

Fine and dandy.... but... Vista is running perfectly on my system. Saying that a 256 MB card is required for the 3D workspace and the transparency is false; it's like saying Half-Life 2: Lost Coast needs a minimum of a 2.9 GHz processor. You can get a Radeon 9250 with 256 MB of onboard graphics memory, is that gonna chew through Vista better than my Radeon 9600 because it has 128 MB more memory? Absolutely not. I would be willing to venture, however, that Windows Vista will run on a Radeon 9250 with 128 MB of RAM. I'll even test it later on.


I never said that it didnt run fine on your system nor would it. Just merely the fact that it would work fine on most setup's today. I for one, happen to agree that it will need at least 128-256MB of gfx memory to run the Aero glass smoothly. Yes you prob could run it on 64MB, but it would probably be choopy and not look as good.

(Again these are my opinions so please do not flame.)

DarK_SlayeR Apr 11, 2006, 04:37am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
Reading the emails of suspected terroriests is one thing. Going onto your system and knowing every little thing you do (An innocent person, no ties to baddies), every email, no matter how personal, deleting personal stuff that you use (and don't do illegal things with), etc.

They are proposing to punish everybody becasue of the sins of a few :(

And lets be real, do you really think it's going to stay in Oklahoma?

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Intel Core 2 Duo e8400 @ stock
Asus P5Q Pro P45
2GB x 2 Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066
eVGA GTX 550 Ti 1024mb Superclocked
Windows Vista Home Premium x64
DarK_SlayeR Apr 11, 2006, 04:38am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
"Makes you fell a warn glow for XP, doesn't it?

Amen bro :)

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Intel Core 2 Duo e8400 @ stock
Asus P5Q Pro P45
2GB x 2 Kingston HyperX DDR2 1066
eVGA GTX 550 Ti 1024mb Superclocked
Windows Vista Home Premium x64
A_Pickle Apr 11, 2006, 04:44am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Let the lies about Windows Vista be dismissed. Bwahaha.
I didn't say anything about what you said. I replied to Chris McNally's question to me, regarding the article you posted. Given that I have seen Vista operate very mid-range hardware, I'm going to say that I don't think PC Magazine is wrong, they simply are wrong. I can only offer pictures and video evidence to back my claims that there is a box with 128 MB of dedicated graphics memory, 512 MB of total system memory and a somewhat pokey modern microprocessor.

Going onto your system and knowing every little thing you do (An innocent person, no ties to baddies), every email, no matter how personal, deleting personal stuff that you use (and don't do illegal things with), etc.


Have you even read the bill yet?

And lets be real, do you really think it's going to stay in Oklahoma?


Why, other than bias against Microsoft (for whatever reason, there seems to be an awful lot of it) do you have any reason to believe it shouldn't? Given that the law has yet to pass, I don't see any need to worry. If it comes to my state, I'll carry out my responsibility as a citizen and fight that law. I'm sure if it's that bad, it won't be difficult for the opinion of the people to be known.

-Pikl


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