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.:Mindful:. Aug 03, 2006, 03:07pm EDT Report Abuse
Hello everyone at Hardware Analysis.

This topic is about if you are religious, you have morals , if your an atheist, reasoning, etc.

As a religious person myself, I have witnessed a frightening number of atheists on this forum and I just want to see what people think about religion, why they are or are not into a religion. What morals you have... other things like that.

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Okay... so the format goes like this.

1.) Answer if you are religious. And what religion. Example: (Yes / Jewish)

2.) Answer if you have morals/principles. And what are they. (Example: Yes / No smoking, drinking, or sex before marriage.)

3.) If you are a atheist. (Example: Yes.)

4.) And why you are what you are... based off the three answers you just responded to. (Example: I am an atheist because I don't think that religion is true because we have no facts on it.)

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Okay. So here is my answers.

1.) Yes / Christian

2.) Yes / No drinking, smoking, sex before marriage, hatred. These morals I try to abide by. But I'm not perfect...

3.) Nope.

4.) Well, one should like a life of morals and respect anyway... so whats so wrong in believing in a higher being? Someone to guide us... protect us? The idea of being good grants everlasting rewards... even if its not in the short run... but in the long run.


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A_Pickle Aug 03, 2006, 03:33pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1.) No

2.) Yes / I believe that there are certain limits to what people must be allowed to do in order to have a functioning society. Killing isn't necessarily wrong (I won't cry when Osama meets a disgruntled Marine), but in order for it to be considered "just" it must have adequate justification. I don't particularly mind sex before marriage, drinking, or smoking or anything like that.

3.) Yes

4.) I don't believe in God nor absolute truth, I believe in proveable, scientific explanations of things. In the past, things that were unexplained have become explained, and that trend will continue.

David Aug 03, 2006, 04:00pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1.) No

2.) Sex, Drugs & Rock 'n' Roll.... YES!!!

As far as im concerned you can do what you want aslong as it doesnt effect other people in a negative way. When your actions start to effect other peoples lives you realy need to give what your doing allot of thought.

3.) I wouyldnt consider myself an Atheist, i dont care enough to do so... i dont belive in any "higher power" and thats, that. Infact the whole concept of religion and all the problems it causes kinda ticks me off.

4.) I believe in freedom, real freedom (not the American concept)... you cant have that in a world with religion and this so called "democracy" being intertwined so closely in society.

I could go off on a tangent and talk forever, thats for another time and place though....



David.

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Liquid Shadow Aug 03, 2006, 05:35pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1). Agnostic - well I'm not a complete agnostic, I believe in the ultimate concept of God, but not in any particular representations, such as Jesus, Allah etc. Thus I don't worship anything or anyone, I believe that God is everywhere, it's very abstract.

2). Yes I do have moral principals, but they are independent of my beliefs. No drugs, no smoking, alcohol is good if you can control yourself and not becoming an alcoholic. Sex before marriage is fine with me, as long as you know how to do it safely. The list goes on and on......

3). No.

4). I don't believe in the bible or Jesus because I'm a very concrete and scientific person, I do not believe anything in the bible at all because they contradict science and history of the earth, plus, the bible had to be written by a person, and I personally won't believe nor worship something like that. But I do believe in the concept of one mighty God, but it is very abstract.



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Chris McNally Aug 03, 2006, 08:09pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
Ok, first of all a request to everyone: I've seen this type of religious discussion in the past at HWA go downhill like a greased gorilla on a helter-skelter, so please lets make sure all replies are respectful and in the spirit of discussion and edification.

That said, here I go:

1) No. I was raised a Catholic but I am no longer religious.

2) I have morals, and they are largely based around being nice to people. I don't see why morality has to be tied at all to religion-it's not as if you can't have morals unless you're religious. I also don't see what harm sex before marriage (for example) does to anyone else. I certainly don't see it as immoral, just because certain religions are against it.

3) I'm an agnostic, like Storm Petrel. I have no idea if there is a god, or gods, but I am suspicious of anybody who claims to know the mind of god, and what it takes for us to please him.

4) I'm an agnostic because I tend to believe what I see, my own experience, rather than things I am told by someone who bases his or her belief system on ancient books written by people who didn't even know the mechanism by which the sun rises in the morning. I believe in the research made by scientists, but I am humble enough to know that perhaps there is a higher being-who am I to say there isn't? I just wish the human race would stop killing each other over the question of who's god is best......

Regards,

Chris McNally

Moderator - Hardware Analysis
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Bitmap Aug 03, 2006, 08:44pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
Here we go, folks!

1. No

2. Yes. I believe anything breaking a law is wrong. I believe anything done to knowingly and/or intentionally harm someone else is wrong, unless it's justified, like A_Pickle said.

3. Yes, I am an Atheist.

4. My parents are both self-proclaimed Christians, though they didn't actually go to church until about a year and a half ago. So my entire life (18 years) I was raised without attending any sort of religious gathering, be it mass, (sp?) church, a synogogue, or what have you. Also, they never told me to believe in God. After a series of terrible events throughout 8th grade, I started to ask the big questions regarding religion. I came to the conclusion that I made it through those terrible times on my own, without the aid of any outside forces. This developed into confirmed atheism.

I want all to understand, that while I am, indeed, an atheistl, I respect others' choices in their belief systems, or lack thereof. If it's what gives you reason to live, by all means, don't let me stop you. If it let's you live your life with energy and drive, so be it. I respect that.

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leastcmplicated Aug 03, 2006, 08:57pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1.) No, I was raised Jewish though

2.) of course I have morals, use your common sense. If it feels wrong its prolly wrong. Sex before marriage is fine, drugs and alcohol in moderation is fine. boiled down, If you arent hurting anyone/thing then its fine.

3.) If you have to label me I guess, I dont believe in god, so that makes me an atheist? *shrug* whatever

4.) You're basing your faith on a book. There is absolutly nothing to backup that there actually is a god or anything in that book happened. Its no different than a Stephen King novel... Hell, Harry Potter really could exist, there could be a magic castle in London called Hogwarts. just my opinon, i just answered the question.

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Michael A. Aug 03, 2006, 09:59pm EDT Report Abuse
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1). Deist - I believe that the universe and life was created by a higher being, but that being does not involve him or herself in the daily runnings of the cosmos.

2). Yes, I think people should respect others and try to hold onto some basic creed. In short, if you do something to someone else that you would not want done to you then you are not being considerate or moral. I believe it's up to people to make the choices that affect themselves, but once others are involved it is each individual's responsibility to take into consideration how his or her actions might affect others.

3). By the dictionary's definition of atheist, no.

4). I am a deist because I see the world around me and have come to believe that its exsistence could not possibly be by accident. I reject organised religion and dogma, however, because I think it's every person's right to make his or her own observations and come up with his or her own set of beliefs. Accepting someone else's path before discovering your own is giving up a chance to discover something that might work perfectly you.

I am in agreement with Bobby that no belief is more or less right than any other. Each person's belief, if it works for him or her, is just as valid as mine or anyone else's. As long as those beliefs do not involve harming other people, we all have the right to believe what we wish.

Michael A.
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Josh Aug 03, 2006, 11:04pm EDT Report Abuse
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1.) Yes/ Christian - specifically Missouri Synod, Lutheran Church

2.) Basically the 10 commandments. Smoking is only wrong because it hurts out bodies, but it's not forbidden. Drinking is fine, in moderation. Pre-marital sex is a sin, but forgivable

3.) Nope

4.) I believe that there is really a God because of a few reasons. Is there really anyone who really, truly believes that the whole universe, let alone our world, is here by chance? That takes alot more faith then I have. There is no way that this could have come about by chance. And also, findings that are being made. For example, Noah's arks is speculated to have been found. It's not hard proof yet, but any picture of the area shows exactly what is described in the Bible. Also, our earth can't be as old as evolutionists say that it is, because the sun would have burned it up millions of years ago. Also, the magnetic field of the earth would have caused it to be like a star. (and no, the poles don't switch. That's just baloney trying to take away that reason against evolution)

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brian pope Aug 04, 2006, 12:30am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1.) NO

2.) Morals & Principles, well if you took a million people & asked them there's, all mine would be mentioned in there somewhere!

3.) Atheism Yes! but not an Atheist, there is a difference.

4.) You need only to understand the original purpose behind the creation of religion, which is control! Most religions have changed with the times & become nothing more than glorified therapist's to their masses. Helping people to cope with the problems of today. While others simple use religion to help justify & ease the guilt they have regarding their day to day actions. The main reason religion shifted away from control is governments became the dominant power player as man became more educated. But there's still many area's on the planet where religion is still thoroughly in control.

Mindful, you said "I have witnessed a frightening number of atheists on this forum" do you actually understand what type of statement you just made?

Bitmap Aug 04, 2006, 01:58am EDT Report Abuse
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Mindful, you said "I have witnessed a frightening number of atheists on this forum" do you actually understand what type of statement you just made?


What are you getting at? To some people, a large number of atheistscan be, as stated "frightening." Hell, I scare my mother a lot. People view other people in different lights, depending on how they were raised, what they were taught, and what they gather from their own personal experiences. He has every right to his opinion towards atheists, whatever his opinion may truly be.

Let's try to keep this fair, and for informational/quasi-entertainment purposes only. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and opinions toward other beliefs.

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Aug 04, 2006, 02:24am EDT Report Abuse
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1.) Nope

2.) Morals? Well, I've never killed anybody. I don't consider drinking, smoking, drugs, and/or premarital sex to be either a sin or amoral, heck you could do them all at the same time if you ask me. But as has been stated, as long as you're not hurting anybody else. Your life is your life, and you should be free to do whatever you want with it (again, as long as you're not huring anybody else).

3.) Atheist? I'm about 70% atheist, 10% agnostic, and 20% schizophrenic.

4.) :|

Reason Aug 04, 2006, 03:45am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1. No, I could not see myself ever taking part in a formalized religion.

2. No, I have no morals. No, everyone has morals, but there is a wide range of actions that different people will consider taboo, forgivable, indifferent, or encouraged.

3. I am not an atheist.

4. I am agnostic. As Pickle said, there is no empirical proof that there is a god, and life's mysteries are steadily being explained by various natural phenomena. However, I am not an atheist because there is also no empirical proof to the contrary: that there is no god. The atheist has just as much faith and proof that there is no god as the christian (or muslim, jew, etc) has that there is. Ergo, the answer is unknowable to humans.

Michael's explanation of deism resonates somewhat with me. Upon previous reflections regarding the nature of god and the cruelties that humans inflict upon each other and of life in general, I had concluded that were there a god, it would be either indifferent, incompetent, or malevolent. None of those options seem worthy of respect, much less worship, so I focus on my own spirituality, rather than take notes from a dusty tome in an old language.

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Chris McNally Aug 04, 2006, 06:56am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
Also, our earth can't be as old as evolutionists say that it is, because the sun would have burned it up millions of years ago. Also, the magnetic field of the earth would have caused it to be like a star


Josh, not meaning to be argumentative, but just had to correct this point. It's not magnetic fields which make the difference between a star and a non-star, it's mass. Increased mass leads to increased gravitational force at the core, which in turn leads at a critical point to nuclear fusion and an outpouring of energy-hence a star. And why would the sun have burned up the earth if it had existed for longer? I'm not sure I understand the reasoning behind that. How old do you think the Earth is?

There's no reason to suppose that this whole arrangement wasn't created by a god, or gods-maybe it was. But we do need to add some consideration to the discoveries of science into the equation.

Regards,

Chris McNally

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E-mail: chris@hardwareanalysis.com
Beavis Khan Aug 04, 2006, 07:40am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
the poles don't switch


Google "geomagnetic reversal" - the evidence of this phenomenon is overwhelming, and quite literally set in stone (or cooled lava, as it were).

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brian pope Aug 04, 2006, 07:52am EDT Report Abuse
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Bobby, there's nothing wrong with Mindful's opinion's regarding atheist's or any other group for that matter. But what I quoted wasn't an opinion! it was clearly a prejudice (religious intolerance) statement towards atheist's.

It's not so much what he said but rather the way he said it, which is why I asked the question?

This entire post borders upon intolerance because of that lead in statement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intolerance
Such statements helped bring about some very nasty times throughout out brief history on this planet & continue to do so, Al Qaida being the most recent example.

Michael A. Aug 04, 2006, 07:56am EDT Report Abuse
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I agree that intolerance is one of the nastiest aspects of religion, especially when someone has the audacity to state that your opinion is invalid simply because it differs from his or her own. (I am not referring to the incident at hand; I'm simply stating my dislike for intolerance and prejudice.)

Regardless, for the sake of things here let's try not to pick apart each other's words too much and assume an underlying meaning that may or may not have been meant to be implied.

Michael A.
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Afrow UK Aug 04, 2006, 09:02am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
1. No.

2. No.

3. I believe there is no God or superior being.

4. I don't believe in God or Jesus or any of that. I believe in evolution and the fact that we're just animals like the dinosaurs and sooner or later we're going to be wiped out.s**te happens!

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.:Mindful:. Aug 04, 2006, 01:36pm EDT Report Abuse
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Well. Sorry about the whole "frightening" comment.

In truth, there are only two Christians that have posted. Some people have kinda believed in a type of religion. The religions that aren't really religions... just people who haven't made up there mind yet so they just called themself something and went on with there daily life.

Not really. Don't take that personally.


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leastcmplicated Aug 04, 2006, 02:14pm EDT Report Abuse
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being agnostic is not beliving in "some type" of religion. Its believing in a higher power. Organized religion is brainwash. They tell you something, you believe it why? My favorite is the people who pick and choose what to follow... God said gay people are an abomination... yea well he also said that you can sell your daughter for a cow or something like that, he also said that women are inferior and make good slaves... so where does it stop? being gay is wrong but enslaving/selling women is ok? you really think so? uh.no.

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Chris McNally Aug 04, 2006, 03:19pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Topic of Faith (Religion/Morals/Atheist/etc)
Agnostic, in terms of a dictionary definition, means the following:

1. One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.
2. One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.

My personal version of agnosticism is number 1. It's certainly not a religion, it's just really an aknowlegement of mankind's supreme ignorance on the question of whether god actually exists.

Regards,

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