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Jerome Pastor Nov 26, 2006, 08:10pm EST Report Abuse
i'm don't know much about laptops and their hardware and i've been trying to research all over the place. i was wondering, which of these two would be the best for gaming??

Toshiba Satellite P105s6114:
intel core 2 duo processor t5200
2048mg ddr2 memory
160gb hd

or

HP Dv9030us:
intel core 2 duo processor t5500
2048mb ddr2 memory
120gb hd


there is a 200 dollar price difference with the hp being the most expensive. i was also looking through this catalog that my parents are gonna buy from (circuit city) and they have these amd processor laptops, but only have half the memory as the 2 i listed. please help!


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Jerome Pastor Nov 26, 2006, 08:24pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
do u guys think any of the laptops can run world of wacraft smoothly? and which would do better

phil Nov 26, 2006, 08:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
the hp.

it has a larger (2mb) L2 cache on the chip, runs on a higher FSB (667mhz), and has dedicated 256mb video mem... unlike the shared 128mb of the toshiba., bigger hard drive space too.

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Jerome Pastor Nov 26, 2006, 08:33pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
the hp has a smaller hard drive, i think?? 120gb as oppossed to 160gb.

do u think it would run WoW smoothly?

Jerome Pastor Nov 26, 2006, 08:47pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
i was reading up on the processors, do they have much of a difference? people are saying that not much of a performance difference is noticable unless doing heavy encoding? i just plan on gaming and browsing the web

Scumbag Blues Nov 26, 2006, 09:02pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
Get the HP one. Even if the performance isn't much different the notebook will last you longer for gaming.

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Jerome Pastor Nov 26, 2006, 09:08pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
what do u mean by it will last longer? and do u think it would run WoW smoothly?

The system requirements for World of Warcraft:

PC:

* Processor: 800MHz or higher CPU.

* RAM: 256Mb or more.

* Video: GeForce 2 or better

* Hard Drive Space: 3Gb or more available.

* DirectX 9.0 or above.

Gerritt Nov 26, 2006, 09:38pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
Jerome,
For gaming you want to have DEDICATED Video RAM, not shared...runs faster and doesn't steal from system resources.
I'd suggest a 15" square or 17" wide screen as a minimum for a gaming (laptop) system, with the nod going to the 17" WS.
Sony had a model with a 16" square screen that was awesome, very bright, but major $$ difference when I purchaced my HP ZD7160. So went with the HP.
I don't play WoW but did play SWG and it did fine.
On any laptop, you will not get the same top resolution or frame speeds that you'll get with a good desktop, but then you can't move a desktop easily.
Everything has it's tradeoffs.

Gerritt

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Liquid Shadow Nov 26, 2006, 09:48pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
Never get an HP computer, they are some of the worst machines ever.



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CrAsHnBuRnXp Nov 26, 2006, 11:53pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
Liquid Shadow said:
Never get an HP computer, they are some of the worst machines ever.

Id have to disagree with that. HP has come a long way over the years and I have thought the same thing. A couple years ago, I saw a friends laptop and it was from HP an it was a good solid laptop.

So saying its the worst ever, I disagree. Its better than the exploding Dells and crap Gateway laptops.

phil Nov 27, 2006, 12:27am EST Report Abuse
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Jerome Pastor said:
the hp has a smaller hard drive, i think?? 120gb as oppossed to 160gb.

do u think it would run WoW smoothly?



the link i saw earlier on circut city says it's got "dual 100gb hard drives" .. 200gb total.

and yes, the HP can run WOW smoothly.

as for the difference between the Processors, the links stated they're both 1.6ghz chips, but the toshiba runs at 533mhz, and the HP runs at 667mhz FSB, you'd have to double check that info, but if that's true then the HP would be noticably faster as intels really like the bandwidths of higher frequencies.
.also (again the links) says the toshiba has a smaller 1mb L2 cache, than the 2mb L2 cache on the HP, which would make the toshiba mostly noticably slower than the HP during multimedia applications aswell

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Jerome Pastor Nov 27, 2006, 02:22am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
thanks so much man. i gotta double check that ad!

Jerome Pastor Nov 27, 2006, 02:31am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
the ad for the hp just says a single 120gb hdd


hmm the ad says a single 120gb hdd, but the site says dual 100gb hdds... same model though

A_Pickle Nov 27, 2006, 02:44am EST Report Abuse
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I noticed that, in the laptops you selected, you listed the specifications for the CPU, RAM, and the hard drive. While these components are important for the average computer, a gaming computer is a bit different. The first thing you'll need to look for in a computer is a dedicated graphics card. If a computer lacks a dedicated graphics card, you can simply scratch it off your list, because it won't be able to play many games very well. The Toshiba you selected has integrated, not dedicated graphics, and as a result it will play WoW pretty poorly at it's full screen resolution. Conversely, the HP you selected DOES have a graphics processor, and it'll play WoW very well at the native LCD resolution (1440x900).

I'd also suggest that you warm up to some brands other than Toshiba or HP, because I can guarantee you, they are hardly the big shots of notebook gaming. There are many other brands out there who offer vastly superior notebooks for gaming than HP or Toshiba.

With that in mind, Jerome, what is your price cap?

CrAsHnBuRnXp Nov 26, 2006, 11:53 PM
So saying its the worst ever, I disagree. Its better than the exploding Dells and crap Gateway laptops.


Dells don't explode. Sony batteries do. HP is one of the few companies that didn't recall the Sony batteries that it shipped that were affected by the same issue. Dells are also much more rigidly built, you can quite literally feel the difference in quality. Finally, Dell's website isn't retarded, and you are able to easily find detailed documentation on your machine.

That said, I'd agree. HP's aren't bad computers, at all, quite the contrary, they're pretty good. I would even venture to say that their desktops are superior to Dells. Their towers are attractive, and have a LOT more media-centric functionality right out of the box. They also come with less bloatware than Dells, which come with, frankly, an obnoxious number of background processes. Unfortunately, HP's do not come with Windows XP CD's, as Dell's do, so... yeh.

I'd say Dell is kicking HP's ass as far as laptops go. As far as build-quality goes, HP isn't even close. Dell makes a darn sturdy laptop, HP's are flimsy and plastic, particularly their consumer-level notebooks. I find Dells to be really-well thought out (save for the lack of a numpad on a 17"... rrgh), with the recessed touchpad (which minimizes accidental tap-clicks), adequate ventilation... plus, they put a half-decent graphics card in. HP only offers a Geforce Go 7600 with their 17" notebook, Dell offers the Geforce Go 7900 GS.

In defense of Dell. :)

Jerome Pastor Nov 27, 2006, 09:29am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
my price cap for a laptop is about 1000 dollars. if i was to get the hp, i think i could push it to 1300. is there anything better out there for this price?? i think my dad only wants to purchase a laptop for me at circuit city, so i don't have much of a choice :(. the reason for this is because he wants to use his CC credit card

A_Pickle Nov 28, 2006, 12:01am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
In that case, the HP is definitely the better buy. You'll get less battery life... but if you want a good gaming notebook, the Toshiba isn't it. Truth be told, I'd tell him about other vendors online, retail notebooks (I.E, those purchased in stores) tend to be... erm... "special."

You get stuff like non-upgradeable memory (where the memory is, in fact, soldered in), or short, useless warranties.

Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Nov 28, 2006, 12:19am EST Report Abuse
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Have a Custom one built for you from Cyberpower or ibuypower, they shouldnt cost more than what Dell and Alienware build.

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A_Pickle Nov 28, 2006, 01:36am EST Report Abuse
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Truth be told, there's a reason CyberPower and IBuyPower are... frankly.... terrible. They have NO driver support, at all. A friend of mine has an IBuyPower, and he had to buy an external wireless card because he couldn't find drivers for his wireless adapter online when he formatted his hard drive and reinstalled Windows. Do not buy one of those computers, their support is beneath dirt.

Jerome Pastor Nov 28, 2006, 03:52am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
hmmm my dad is complaining that the 1399 HP laptop is too expensive, so i don't know what i can get now :(

A_Pickle Nov 28, 2006, 06:07am EST Report Abuse
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You might make the point to him that there are better deals online, and that he's restricting you to what you can get by only allowing deals from Circuit City. That HP is really the best you can get, I'm willing to bet it's one of the only ones from Circuit City that has a dedicated graphics card. If you take nothing from me now, at least take this: Do not go with an integrated graphics chip for a gaming computer. You will notice a difference, and you won't like it.

With that in mind, you said your price cap was roughly $1,000. If that's the case, then I know a great notebook for you. A friend of mine recently purchased this same notebook, which has pretty good hardware in it for the price. It's an Acer Aspire 5670. He had an Intel Core Duo at 1.66 GHz, 1 GB of DDR2 memory, 120 GB of hard disk space, and a Mobility Radeon X1600 for graphics. All-in-all, a very nice notebook. It certainly isn't the best notebook around, but it's decent. He paid $1,054 shipped to his door. It's somewhat difficult to find, but I bet you can find one for roughly $1,000-ish.

Another option is the Dell Inspiron E1505. Several of my friends own this notebook, and it's damn good. For one, Dell builds a fantastically sturdy notebook. They are well-built. Second, Dell's screens are gorgeous. I recently traveled to Rockford, Illinois for a family reunion for Thanksgiving, and naturally, I brought my laptop. I got all kinds of comments, mostly referring to the vividness and crispness of my high-resolution screen. I was able to configure a Dell Inspiron E1505 with a 1.6 GHz Intel Core Duo, an ATI Mobility Radeon X1400, 1 GB of RAM, an 80 GB hard drive, and a 2-year warranty for $996. This doesn't have the amazing screen, which kicks the price up to about $1,100. Fiddle with that just a little bit, over at http://www.dell.com/ . I imagine you could get a much better notebook there than from Circuit City.

Also, don't worry about security software, like anti-virus, firewalls, or anti-spyware. The stuff that Dell has on it's site isn't very good... and you have to pay for it. We HWA members probably all use free anti-virus, anti-spyware, and firewall software, so if you need help setting up and configuring your Dell for the best, come right on back here and make a post. :)

I'll give you some general guidelines in looking for a notebook these days. For one, you want a notebook with a dual-core processor. Dual-core processors are quite literally two processors in one, and obviously that will give you more room to run multiple programs at once. Dual-core notebook processors are ones like the Intel Core Duo, or the Intel Core 2 Duo, or the AMD Turion 64 X2. The Intel Pentium M or the AMD Turion 64 are not dual-core processors! You will also want no less than 512 MB of RAM, or memory, for general computer use, and no less than 1 GB of RAM if you plan to use a computer for gaming. Hard drives are a bit less critical, as they don't contribute "directly" to performance (well, they do, but that's quite technical and I don't want to confuse you ;)). If you find you need to store a lot of data, then you will want a larger hard drive, around the size of... oh... 120 GB. If you run programs and don't save much stuff, then you could probably opt to save money with something smaller, like 80 GB. Sometimes you will hear about "5400 RPM" or "7200 RPM," and that's simply referring to the rotational speed of the hard drive. The faster the hard drive spins, the larger the RPM number (obviously). Faster-spinning drives are generally smaller than their slower counterparts, and they consume a little bit more battery juice too, but they offer a miniscule performance increase over the slower ones. Don't bank on these to make your computer race, though, 5400 RPM hard drives are plenty good enough for gaming.

Graphics cards require a paragraph unto themselves. You have heard me drill the mantra that you want a dedicated graphics card, not an integrated one. Integrated graphics cards are simply low-end solutions for making your CPU (for example, your Pentium 4 or Core Duo) and system memory do all of the graphics work. Put simply, your CPU isn't fast enough to do gaming-quality graphics. Using an integrated graphics card will result in games running very slowly and choppily, even at low graphical detail. The end result is a poor gaming experience, and... well... you don't want that. That's why you need a dedicated graphics card, which is basically an independent processor whose sole task is to render graphics. Higher-end graphics cards have their own cache of high-speed memory also, so that they don't pull from system memory. Integrated graphics chips are things like Intel GMA950, Intel GMA900, Intel Integrated Extreme Graphics, S3 UniChrome, ATI Xpress 200M, Nvidia Geforce Go 6150, things like that. Dedicated graphics cards are made by, essentially, two companies: ATI or Nvidia. Keep in mind, they make their own integrated chips too! The good cards from them are things like the ATI Mobility Radeon X300, X1300, X1400, X1600, X1800. Nvidia offers the Geforce Go 7200, 7300, 7400, 7600, 7700, 7800 and 7900's. As the numbers increase, power does too. The Nvidia Geforce Go 7200-7400 cards are roughly equal to the ATI X1300-1400 cards, and while they aren't terribly fast, they are worlds better than integrated graphics. The Geforce Go 7600 and 7700 are equal to the ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 and X1700 cards, and they're pretty quick gaming cards. They're a good bang-for-buck solution. Finally, there are the big, bad, high-performing graphics cards, the ATI Mobillity Radeon X1800 and X1900, which are equal to the Nvidia Geforce Go 7800 and 7900 cards. I have a Geforce Go 7900, and... er... it's nice. :)

So there's a good little laptop checking guide. I hope that's helpful.

Jerome Pastor Nov 28, 2006, 11:52am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: which laptop is better for gaming? toshiba or hp...
pickle, thanks for an amazing post!


the Dell computer notebook that u told me about, is it better than the hp at circuit city such as being able to run WoW smoothly :) ?? '

edit: wow the Dell e1505 is only 715 dollars


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