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Bitmap Jan 10, 2007, 11:37pm EST Report Abuse
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-cisco11jan11,0,5948752.s...-headlines

SAN FRANCISCO -- Cisco to Apple: We need to talk.

A day after Apple Inc. baptized its eagerly anticipated cell phone with the marketing slogan "we need to talk," Cisco Systems Inc. filed a trademark lawsuit Wednesday pointing out that it has owned the iPhone name since 2000.

Up until Monday night, the two companies had been negotiating over the name. Cisco, which acquired the name when it bought another company, was willing to "share," Cisco spokeswoman Terry Anderson said.

Apple, apparently, was not.

Cupertino, Calif.-based Apple built a consumer electronics empire on the lower-case "i" -- iMac, iPod, iTunes -- and has long coveted San Jose, Calif.-based Cisco's iPhone. Nevertheless, Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris called Cisco's lawsuit "silly."

Cisco came to own the name iPhone when it bought Infogear, which had owned the trademark since 1996. Linksys, a division of Cisco, began shipping iPhone products a year ago. It recently launched a phone that uses voice-over-Internet technology.

Over the past several years, Apple has approached Cisco about the name iPhone, according to Cisco.

Anderson said that the networking company was not looking for money and that it credited the hard work of the Apple team. Cisco, instead, is looking for "collaboration and joint development with Apple" to ensure that Apple's phone will work with Cisco's networking gear, Anderson said.

After talks stalled, Cisco executives were surprised that Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs went ahead and christened his iPhone in a presentation Tuesday.

"Several other companies are using the name iPhone for voice-over-the-Internet products," Apple's Kerris said. "We're the first to use iPhone for a cell phone. If Cisco wants to challenge us on it, we're confident we'll prevail."

California's Silicon Valley typically is not a hotbed of trademark-violation lawsuits, mostly because the products aren't around long enough to build brand recognition, lawyer Thomas Schneck said.

Apple might assert that the iPhone is part of its family of marks, Schneck says. Cisco may worry that, with Apple entering the market, the name iPhone will become more generic.

Said Schneck: "I think it's a shot across the bow."


Apple: iCan't think of original iNames!

Edit: Straight from Cisco's homepage: http://newsroom.cisco.com/dlls/2007/corp_011007.html?CMP=ILC-001


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Gerritt Jan 11, 2007, 12:37am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
How about "iCELL"? Because Apple definately beats out Cisco in the consumer/ commities "sales" market.

Gerritt

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Bitmap Jan 11, 2007, 08:34pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
*bump*

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Sean Costello Jan 11, 2007, 08:54pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Cisco ftw!

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Adam Kolak Jan 11, 2007, 08:57pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
I didn't realize that Cisco Systems has more money than Microsoft until I heard about this lawsuit yesterday. Cisco Systems is the richest company in all of the computer/IT industry. Second is Microsoft. Guess they sell a lot of routers and stuff :)

My opinion is that its Cisco's trademark since 1996, so they have the right to it and Apple doesn't. Cisco even has VOIP phones with the iPhone name out. So go ahead Cisco you have the right to the name and you shouldn't let them steal it from you. Sue them or make a deal with them, its your trademark. Do what you want.

As for the iPhone, it makes me want to buy a PS3, because of the price. And its funny that LG came out with a phone a couple months ago that looks quite similar to the iPhone. Apple's device seems a bit to similar to LG's, see here:
http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/11/iphone-and-lg-ke850-separated-at-birth/

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Bitmap Jan 11, 2007, 09:13pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Water Drop said:
My opinion is that its Cisco's trademark since 1996, so they have the right to it and Apple doesn't. Cisco even has VOIP phones with the iPhone name out. So go ahead Cisco you have the right to the name and you shouldn't let them steal it from you. Sue them or make a deal with them, its your trademark. Do what you want.


Apple's argument to that: "That's just silly."

Steve Jobs is just hoping he can present that to the judge, and the judge will be like, "Well... you're right. Case dismissed." *slam*

I agree with you, Water. What's even dumber is that Apple released the iPhone, 100% aware of Cisco's ownership of the name. They'd been negotiating a "share," meaning that if Apple agreed to let the iPhone interact with Cisco's networking technology (specifically it's wireless technology) then they could use the iPhone name. Claiming that because it has a lowercase "i" in front of the name (iPod, iTunes, iMac, etc.) you can openly use it is just bogus. And yes, iCell would work just as well. Better yet, "iTele." :)

I'm gonna start a company that deals with consumer electronics, only everything is gonna have a lowercase "x" in front of the title. xPod, xTunes, xMac (we'll see how that one goes) xPhoto. Or maybe an "h" to pay homage to Hardware Analysis. hPod. Sounds like a chemical formula for some bad drug. XD

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Gerritt Jan 12, 2007, 06:09pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Just think if we had 1/3rd the lawyers, half of the things that we purchaced would probably be half as expensive.
If all of these infringement cases actually had basis in fact XEROX would be the biggest computer HW/SW company in the world (they produced the first mouse and GUI).

I seem to recall a company called "Big Blue Plumbing" was taken to court by IBM for copyright infringement.
Another instance of this insanity is when someone used the reversed "R" in a totally different industry were taken to court by Toys "R" Us.
Another instance is when some Russian copyrighted "RADIO FREE AMERICA", and a friends website was threatened if they didn't close down....(if you're interested in some indi rock and leftist politics, check them out at http://www.radiofreeamerika.com).

/quote
Please be advised that our client holds an existing, active trademark registration for the mark "Radio Free America" in class 41 for radio programming. He has made continuous use of this mark in commerce for both radio programming and other goods and services, since 1982. You can find additional information regarding both his active and pending registrations for this mark on the United States Patent and Trademark Office website. Furthermore, our client has expended immeasurable time and energy to build goodwill and exposure for "Radio Free America". Your use of the name, "Radio Free Amerika" which is nearly identical to our client's mark in sound, site and meaning, will certainly cause a likelihood of confusion in the marketplace and is clear trademark infringement.
Demand is hereby made that you immediately cease and desist any and all use of the name and/or plans to use the name "Radio Free Amerika" or any other confusingly similar name or related domain name. This letter shall serve to place you on notice of our intention to advise our client to fully enforce his rights. We will consider every available remedy including attorneys' fees, costs and other damages incurred by our client as a result of any litigation required to enforce his rights.
/quote end

Oddly "Radio Free America" had been in use for decades by the USG for decades prior, as anyone with a shortwave radio can attest.

I'm not saying that all lawyers are bad, just 2/3rds of them.....and all of the ones that advertise on late night TV.

Gerritt


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Dr. Peaceful Feb 16, 2007, 07:21pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
One month later, the naming of "iPhone" is still not settled!
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17192744/

Com'on, just call it iDing! Sounds good. LOL ;)

Bitmap Feb 16, 2007, 07:28pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Sometimes, I think Steve Jobs and Bill gates should take a look at Hardware Analysis. We come up with some good ideas.

Hey! Mr. Jobs! Call it the "iCell!!!"

iCell!
iCell!
iCell!
iCell!
iCell!
iCell!

He's not listening, is he? ;)

Apple has called the lawsuit "silly" and argued that it's entitled to use the iPhone name because the phones operate over different networks.


So... I can create an operating system called "Windows," yet no base it around NTFS, WIN32, etc?? I think not.

Apple's just trying to protect their ego. They want the iPhone name, but they're only argument is "It's silly."

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Gerritt Feb 16, 2007, 07:36pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
All I can say is that these types of things are why I stopped doing code development (about 15-20 years ago), and refuse to be the brunt of litigation. Sad, but true.

Gerritt

Ad Astra Per Aspera
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Dr. Peaceful Feb 16, 2007, 07:39pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Bobby Phillipps said:
Sometimes, I think Steve Jobs and Bill gates should take a look at Hardware Analysis. We come up with some good ideas.


Yeah, until they see this post... LOL ;)
http://www.hardwareanalysis.com/content/topic/58134/?o=20#474053


Dave Feb 16, 2007, 08:05pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
They've created a phone which I find startling unimpressive, they have made a load of adverts utterly slamming PC's which I find juvinile and for the most part incorrect and their iGarbage is hideously overpriced.

It's not their name, how dare they say it's "just silly" that the other company like that name.

Arrogant tossers.

Adam Kolak Feb 16, 2007, 08:25pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
If my Dell Axim X30 had cellular phone network compatiblity it would kick the iPhone's ass so bad its not even funny. My Axim X30, is an "old" Pocket PC from mid 2004. Its got a 312Mhz Intel X-scale cpu, 64mb of ram, SD slot, Bluetooth, Wireless B, Windows Mobile 2003SE. It can do everything the iPhone can do except make calls. And you can install a butt load of different applications and programs on it from 3rd party makers including lots of freeware. And this is a 3 year old Pocket PC that costed me $237 when Dell had a % Off deal of somesort. Now with modern Pocket PC Phones and other Windows Mobile Smartphones, the iPhone is truly an outdated competitor. Now they have Windows Mobile 6 out, and 600+ mhz Intel CPUs in these things with Nvidia graphics and 128mb of ram, these things make some peoples home PCs look weak. Hell my Dell Axim X30 is even a great gaming device. It plays Quake II rather nicely in amazing 3D, and now people are running Quake III on Pocket PCs. And there are boat loads of Pocket PC SNES and Genesis emulators that work great. The Pocket PC has almost as much homebrew going on as the PSP if not as mcuh.

If you haven't figured it out already, Windows Mobile FTW!, the iPhone makes Windows Mobile look like open source software in comparison. The iPhone won't allow 3rd party apps at all. Average joe may go for the iPhone, but the enthusiasts like me will go for the more open Windows Mobile platform.

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Dave Feb 17, 2007, 06:45am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
I like the Axims, my Dad has an X50v with.. 624MHz maybe, and I think a 16MB gfx card. Haven't had the oppourtunity to play with it much though.

john albrich Feb 17, 2007, 08:59am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
I hereby file intent to trademark the following combinations of letters...sponsored today in Kiddie Court (tm) by the letter "i" :


ichew
ispew
italk
iwalk
isuck
iduck
iwant
iwill
ihave
ihavent
ican
icant
iwont
idont
isell
ismell
iwink
ithinkthiswholeissueisstupidarrogantandbaseless

Dr. Peaceful Feb 18, 2007, 01:22am EST Report Abuse
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Gerritt Feb 18, 2007, 07:51pm EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
"We can have something more generous sounding, e.g. ourPhone. Or more German sounding, volksTelefon."

I can just see the pimp your phone commercials now......

Gerritt

Ad Astra Per Aspera
(A rough road leads to the Stars)
We all know what we know, and everyone else knows we are wrong.
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Dr. Peaceful Feb 19, 2007, 12:33am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Pimp your phone? Here... these cell phones have enough blink-blinks to make you a pimp, and price tags that make the, -cough- iPhone's $600 price look cheap. ;)

http://www.slashphone.com/111/4773.html
http://news.com.com/2300-1036_3-6077862-2.html

Gerritt Feb 20, 2007, 12:16am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
Harry,

I was alluding to the present Volkswagon "pimp your ride" commercials.....
I think the VW commercials are funny as heck, if slightly racist.

Gerritt

Ad Astra Per Aspera
(A rough road leads to the Stars)
We all know what we know, and everyone else knows we are wrong.
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Dr. Peaceful Feb 20, 2007, 12:29am EST Report Abuse
>> Re: Cisco Sues Apple over "iPhone" trademark
I know... V-Dub, 4-Da-World! LOL ;)



 

    
 
 

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