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Gerritt Mar 21, 2007, 10:30pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: DirectX 10, no longer a Vista exclusive?
What I'm seeing is that there is some confusion between "computers", "PC's" and "consoles. THERE IS NO INTRISIC DIFFERENCE!!!!!
THEY ARE ALL COMPUTERS!!!
The difference is that some are special purpose, and others are general purpose.
The General purpose infrastructures are by definition less capable for a single application.
They do, however, provide for a better throughput on a general level.

Gaming consoles: Games
PCs: Games, Projects, Documents, Email, Spreadsheets, Databasing, Etc..

I can update my graphics card (GPU) and meet or surpass the present level of Consoles...I can't upgrade my PS2/PS3/ XBox/XBox360 to meet the same levels as I can with a PC upgrade, and they don't support all of the other functions....yet.

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angryhippy Mar 22, 2007, 07:05am EDT Report Abuse
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So here's a wrench to throw into the PC Game market. A new research paper has shown that many games are seen and played by up to 10X more people, than actually purchase the games. That data means that the market is way undervalued in term of advertising revenue. Which is adding a whole load of impetus to the market in terms of INGAME advertising. Now I got to go hunt down that article, and I'll post a link when I find it. Done

Video games' reach bigger than thought: report
Wed Mar 21, 2007 4:37pm ET
By Lisa Baertlein

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Video games reach more players than retail sales figures suggest, according to a report issued on Wednesday by private research and measurement firm Interpret.

The firm's Gameasure report comes as video game makers try to woo advertisers, who are looking for new ways to connect with young males -- an audience that plays a lot of video games and is watching less network television.

"Retail sales capture only a portion of the total audience playing individual game titles, suggesting current in-game advertising deals, which are primarily tied to these sales figures, undervalue the medium," Michael Dowling, Interpret's CEO said in a statement.

Dowling said the report shows advertisers should consider the impact of social game play, game rentals, used game sales and pass-around

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John Ingram Mar 22, 2007, 10:06am EDT Report Abuse
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Angryhippy: Think your article, by including the word 'rental' was about console games. As is most articles nowadays.

Marios Apr 02, 2007, 02:30pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: DirectX 10, no longer a Vista exclusive?
Everybody has WDDM 1 under Vista.
There is no WDDM 2.0 support yet.
Just type dxdiag and check your DDI Version under Display.

phil Apr 02, 2007, 02:38pm EDT Report Abuse
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John Ingram said:
Angryhippy: Think your article, by including the word 'rental' was about console games. As is most articles nowadays.



rental also applies to the PC market, the major example would be a PC/cyber cafe, in the PC cafe i've invested capital in (i'll save the advertising) users rent time at an half-hourly, hourly, and monthly membership rate. One copy of the game exists, but many many people play it each day.

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angryhippy Apr 02, 2007, 08:09pm EDT Report Abuse
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J.I. said:
Angryhippy: Think your article, by including the word 'rental' was about console games. As is most articles nowadays.



Also, you have old gamers like me. Since my system is usually outdated, it won't run new games. I buy my games used almost exclusively from a firm called EB or Electronic Boutique. Doom3 was $10 Splinter Cell Pandora Tomorrow was $12, and with the buy 2 get one free deal I got Black Hawk Down, When I get bored with them I sell them back to them for a couple of $'s

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B34NS Apr 09, 2007, 03:25pm EDT Report Abuse
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Great article Sander,
I for one have agree with the logic behind this, and would say that I kinda came to the same conclusion about 4 weeks ago, I got a version of Ultimate, and tried running most of the games I had on my system. The shocking part wasn't the performance of the games, but being from the XP era, I expected to click on the already installed game and run it from my other partition, like I have with XP installs for years......when I found I had to install every game again under vista, granted i somewhat expected this, I was bummed, I now had two copies of every game, not being rich that adds up to a lot of storage I'll have to buy if I continue in the dual boot path. Coming back to the point, I'm running dual boot because of what Sander explained pretty well, there's no warm hand off from an xp core user like myself to a vista person, even though I'd rather use the latest greatest OS to being with. In buying games or anything from Adobe in the next few months, I'm probably going to opt for the torrent version first rather then shell out cash on a proprietary experiment gone wrong.
Glad to be back all, needless while I was out from my broken collar bone I did some soul searching

John Ingram Apr 09, 2007, 04:01pm EDT Report Abuse
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Well, shows how UK buyers are not treated like adults, like U.S. Buyers. No renting in PC games in the UK at all. Just console games. Even after console games became CD's and DVD's, not cartidiges!

angryhippy Apr 14, 2007, 03:39am EDT Report Abuse
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Josh. Try installing the games on a different partition than the ones vista and xp are on.

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ian elliott May 10, 2007, 10:13pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: Re: DirectX 10, no longer a Vista exclusive?
DirectX10 for Windows XP. Enjoy.

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CrAsHnBuRnXp May 10, 2007, 11:44pm EDT Report Abuse
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Why do I have a feeling that its not going to work like it should?

FordGT90Concept May 11, 2007, 12:09am EDT Report Abuse
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Because the changes are on a deeper level. Any DX10 for XP would be an emulator with DX9, or slightly worse, performance.

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Dublin_Gunner May 11, 2007, 05:14am EDT Report Abuse
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Well, it could be emulated through OpenGL or whatever using a DX10 wrapper. Obviously, this would all be done in software, so technically your CPU wioll become even more of a bottleneck than it is with DX9, defeating one of the main advantages of DX10 altogether.

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Shadow_Ops_Airman1 Jul 17, 2007, 03:20am EDT Report Abuse
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MS Probably has plans for DX10 in SP3 for XP since those that do have a brain will use it before Vista anyday, Oh i forgot, does MS as a Whole have a Brain?

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Dublin_Gunner Jul 17, 2007, 07:29am EDT Report Abuse
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I'll be perfectly honest, for myself anyway, I see no reason to revert to XP.

My image editing (though I'm useless) & music software all works perfectly, as do the most important apps, games lol!

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Sander Sassen Jul 17, 2007, 07:39am EDT Report Abuse
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No reason? I see plenty of reason ;)

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Dublin_Gunner Jul 17, 2007, 08:48am EDT Report Abuse
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Sander Sassen said:
No reason? I see plenty of reason ;)

Best regards,



Nope, none whatsoever!

Maybe I've been lucky, but I dont have any problems or encounter any issues with Vista.

In fact, I'd go so far as to say I prefer it to XP, and dont ever see myself swapping back.

I have a dual boot, but havent booted into XP since installing Vista

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B-man B-man Aug 08, 2007, 08:16pm EDT Report Abuse
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I ran FarCry on 98SE.
I ran NFSU2 on 98SE
I ran Doom 3 on 98SE.
I ran Halo 1 on 98SE.
I ran half-life 2 on 98SE.

I never upgraded to that windows ME crap.

I now have XP... i will say i never upgraded to that Vista CRAP!

IF a game is VISTA only, boo hoo.. i have over 200 gigs of games payed for with cash and a game made for this new operating system "only" cannot compete against the games i already have for XP.

i will buy a used version of Halo 2 and hack it for xp.
If there are hacks for games to make 'em run on xp i will only get the used version....

I agree with the post if you dont want to play dx10 don't.... and let the pc gaming die unless they make a dx9 compatible version. the x-box 360 is only sm shader 3.0 anywayz.Its not nex gen at all....

CrAsHnBuRnXp Aug 08, 2007, 08:39pm EDT Report Abuse
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B-man B-man said:
I ran FarCry on 98SE.
I ran NFSU2 on 98SE
I ran Doom 3 on 98SE.
I ran Halo 1 on 98SE.
I ran half-life 2 on 98SE.

I never upgraded to that windows ME crap.

I now have XP... i will say i never upgraded to that Vista CRAP!

IF a game is VISTA only, boo hoo.. i have over 200 gigs of games payed for with cash and a game made for this new operating system "only" cannot compete against the games i already have for XP.

i will buy a used version of Halo 2 and hack it for xp.
If there are hacks for games to make 'em run on xp i will only get the used version....

I agree with the post if you dont want to play dx10 don't.... and let the pc gaming die unless they make a dx9 compatible version. the x-box 360 is only sm shader 3.0 anywayz.Its not nex gen at all....

Unless you have used Vista, I wonldnt bash it. There are many Vista users here such as myself that have great support with the OS and have zero problems with it. So agian, unless you have tried Vista for yourself (for more than a week) I would suggest you not mention it again.

adam Aug 08, 2007, 09:27pm EDT Report Abuse
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vista works awesome on my laptop. in fact I really like the OS. I think the reliability and stability pack thats in testing right now really helped my system a lot. I will say that many improvements where made over XP. The only thing thats hard to like for the fact i hate is UAC. But thats an easy fix just turn it off lol and use 3rd party software like add watch. DX 10 gaming does show a lot of promise. I hope my company will work me local on the next stop so i can enjoy some DX 10 games on my home gaming PC.

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