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  XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will 
 
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Jarret M. Apr 11, 2007, 09:55pm EDT Report Abuse
Has anyone seen this before?

Computer posts, then next screen it usually starts booting XP.... Its just a blank cursor. So, I pop in the XP SP2 cd.... starts to boot up by asking if If I want to boot from cd to press a key.. so I do, and it starts to inspect hardware.. freeze. doesn't leave this screen.

So, Next i try a Linux install cd. Comes up to Slackware 11 prompt, Log in, I check cfdisk (fdisk for windoz people) and it shows all partitions on ntfs drive.

Next I try a Ubuntu cd, which takes me right into x windows.. it allows me to assign a DHCP address and surf the net (all without acctually installing the OS).. I mount the NTFS windows drive (read only) and look around, everything seem there.

Next I try resetting bios defaults... Want to clear any overclocking or strange settings.. Try XP again and try xp cd again both with same results.

So for kicks, I stick in a Windows server 2003 cd... same thing..

Then I try windows 2000 and viola.. boots up. Takes me right to where I can delete partition to reinstall.. so I reboot... then go into recovery console.. And I log into windows on hard drive and look around.. What do I do now? \

Suggestions please!

I'm pretty sure its not hardward since I was able to get into ubuntu and use firefox and the internet well.. but I suppose it could be something wrong with the MBR, but why won't the xp home cd or windows server cd no boot??


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Bitmap Apr 11, 2007, 10:02pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
This may sound stupid, but make sure your discs aren't scratched beyond recognition.

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"None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME." - Walter Kovacs, A.K.A. Rorschach.
Jarret M. Apr 11, 2007, 11:12pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Naa. They're good. The XP home cd is practically brand new.. Also, just tried my Vista CD and it seems to work, I think I'm going to try to just install overtop of xp with Vista and use that for a while.. But if anyone has any other troubleshooting suggestions I'm up for it.

Jarret M. Apr 12, 2007, 12:19pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
so now, the big question is.. do I format, then install.. or just install in the same partition as xp was so I can reclaim some of my data?

Do you think this will work? As I said before, after the post screen, it just comes up with a blank window with a cursor.. It doesn't look like its making it to the xp boot loader... so installing may not do anything..... WHat do you think?

Jarret M. Apr 12, 2007, 11:53pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Update...

Hard drive is a 250gb split into a 40 gig, and 200 gig partitions. I tried installing over xp with vista and it seemed to go fine.. But when it went to restart, same thing.. Blank cursor. So I'm assuming its the hard drive and my motherboard are having some kind of issue.. Has anyone seen this??

I put an old 30gb hd as primary and I'm installing vista to it.. Also tried xp cd and it booted fine with this configuration.. Also, I have the 250gb hd as the primary.... and all seems like its working fine..

I guess i'll find out tomorrow morn if the vista install goes ok..

I'd like to see some comments if anyone has any!!>.??

Bitmap Apr 13, 2007, 12:19am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
I'm sorry no one's commenting here, but I've never seen anything like that before.

This is also my way of bumping your thread so you might get a few more answers. ;)

You say it's fine with the old 30 GB HDD... sounds like a bad hard drive. Also, have you tried using different cables for your hard drives? Sometimes the cables can go bad.

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Frank van den Brink Apr 15, 2007, 10:37am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Got the same here with an MSI P4NSLI mobo and WD 250 Gb HDD with partitions of 50 and 200 GB

You might wanna check http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=314503 for some info...

I've installed a 20 GB PATA disk, installed XP OK ad then installed recovery command comsole onto that disk.

Now I'm running a CHKDSK on the 250 GB disk from the recovery console, seeing if that helps.

Looks like the partition table is faulty....

Hoping somebody can piont me to the right direction.

Jarret M. Apr 15, 2007, 10:53am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Well.. I'm not sure now. I haven't changed IDE cables yet, as I just haven't had a chance. But so far, with the 30 gb hd as the master (both drivers are ide, not sata btw) everything is fine. Vista loads up fine, I can access all files and play games off the 250 fine. So file access and the partition table must be fine.

I think I'm going to swap back to the 250 hd as master and the 30 unplugged and see if problem re-appears.. Then I"ll swap ide cable.


If it is IDE cable or HD, how would that stop a windows xp CD from booting up? Does the CD do a quick scan of the master HD right off the bat?


OH and Frank, That link from the microsoft site sounds exactly right... except, I couldn't get to with recovery console because xp cd wouldn't boot. Although, Vista dvd did, is there a recovery console on the Vista DVD?

Frank van den Brink Apr 15, 2007, 11:01am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
The CD does check the HDD indeed when checking hardware (one of the first thing at boot)

The 250 GB WD disc is SATA, by the way, but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

The CHKDSK seems to take forever... When that's finished I'll have a go with the "Ultimate Boot CD" (http://ubcd.sourceforge.net) to see if there's a hardware problem or if the partitions are corrupt.

This very PC has shown these problems before. My colleagues have simply put a backup-image back on, but I'm determined to find out what's causing it. This is the third time this system is experiencing this problem.

Customer is getting p**sed....

I'll keep you posted...

Frank van den Brink Apr 15, 2007, 11:15am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
CHKDSK didn't solve anything...

I installed the recovery console on the 20GB HDD...

Put in XP CD
run <CD-Drive>:\\i386\winnt32.exe /cmdcons
And at reboot you get the option to enter recovery console.

When entering console make sure you select the proper Windows installation.

Frank van den Brink Apr 16, 2007, 11:30am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
I finally got it working...

What did I do?

1- removed HDD and made backup of partitions (using Acronis Backup) on seperate PC as 2nd HDD.
2- removed partitions, created new partitions and formatted them.
3- Installed drive in original PC, but it still doesn't boot from HDD, nor XP CD.
4- removed HDD, installed it in separate PC and completely removed partitions
5- installed empty drive in original PC and installed windows XP (It does start up once you have removed the partitions)
6- removed drive and installed in seperate PC again and restored the backed up partitions
7- Placed drive back in original PC

Everything works OK now. I suspect the MBR to have been defective, but I cannot be sure. You probably can skip steps 2 and 3...

Good luck!

PS. I now switched on the boot sector protection option in de BIOS to prevent future MBR corruption....

Jarret M. Apr 16, 2007, 12:30pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Wow.. I'm not really interested in deleting my partitions.. Just cause I really don't want to spend that much time on it! :)

I think I'm just going to keep chugging away at vista for a while even though its sluggish on my sempron 2500+ and old HD... and I'm going to kill my old windows partition once I've stipped out my old data... And I'm downloading Suse10.2 (trying something new) atm to put in that space.

Question... I should be able to delete a primary partition(ntfs) on a disk, and re-create for linux(reiser).. and do this all while not touching the extended partition(logical, ntfs) on the same disk......

Also, later on, I'll probably need to convert the extended NTFS to a fat32 partition.. is that still possible with tools like partition magic, or is there something better now a days? I have a copy of PM, but its quite old.. is there any freeware to do partition conversions?

Frank van den Brink Apr 16, 2007, 03:24pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Just check out the "Ultimate Boot CD" I described earlier... That holds free partition utilities. I haven't checked whether they can convert NTFS to Fat32, though....

You could shrink the partition and create a new Reiserpartition and copy the data. Depending on how much free space you have left :)

PM 8.0 should be able to do that, as far as I know... But I am not sure about that...

Depending on the amount of data, it takes anywhere from 15 minutes (6 GB) to several hours to backup... The actual time working on it today was less than 2 hours. The rest of the time it simply did it's thing backing up and restoring.

Jarret M. Apr 16, 2007, 03:51pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
Frank van den Brink said:

You could shrink the partition and create a new Reiserpartition and copy the data. Depending on how much free space you have left :)


That's a great idea... I'm only using about 50gb of the available 200 in that partition!



Rain_Man Apr 19, 2007, 10:30pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k CD will
I've run into this problem before as well and you are correct. The MBR was corrupt. Sometimes you can get lucky and repair from CD recovery Console, but when trashed like this even the CD won't boot. At this point the only reliable thing you can do is remove the NTFS partitions, reformat & clean install.

I have also seen this problem associated with a MOBO change and change in IDE / SATA controllers.

Basically in both scenarios, Windows can't find the MBR and hangs.

Himalaya js May 04, 2007, 06:59am EDT Report Abuse
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Frank van den Brink May 04, 2007, 07:09am EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
In this case you've got 2 options:
1 - do a clean re-install
2- make a backup of partitions (on a different system), wipe drive (on a different system), install windows and restore the partitions (on a different system).

Jarret M. May 10, 2007, 05:26pm EDT Report Abuse
>> Re: XP No boot; also, XP Cd no boot, but win2k cd will
I fixed my problem finally.. It ended up being the IDE cable. Someone mentioned it above, and after doing it, everything is fine now. The old one was quite crinkled and I guess it finally just was creating to many error or something.

I had formatted the partition hoping that it would fix the problem, but it did not, so changing cable was my last resort. I'm glad I tried it.



 

    
 
 

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